Take this for what it's worth...

[CATCH17]

I had the same thought, Neon. Sounds crazy with Murray doing so well, but I go back to what Broaddus was saying weeks ago, that Garrett was totally in love with Ingram and Richardson is even better. I remember seeing a shot of our draft board last year and Ingram was way, way, up there.

Still... That would be stupid IMO. Backs aren't worth that much anymore. And RJ doesn't like to run the ball anyway.

They were in love with Wilkerson last year too and Fletcher Cox is better than him.

I think Fletcher is the guy they are targeting in a trade up.

I think they would gut their draft for a pass rusher but not a RB or Safety.

 

[SMCowboy]

I agree the old chart overvalued 1st rounders. However, with the rookie wage scale, the higher picks should be even more valuable. Interestingly, the wage scale might actually have moved the current Trade Value Chart closer to accurate/fair than it was before.

Where there will likely be a huge change in the trade value of picks, is with the picks in the 7, 8, and 9 area. Because the difference in cost to lock up your player for the 5th year between if he was choose at #9, or #11, could be $3 or $4 million dollars....

The rookie wage scale did probably make the top picks even more valuable, but it also made the top few picks after #10 very valuable as well, because it can be $3 or $4 million dollars cheaper to lock up your player for a 5th year.

 

[visionary]

if the cowboys truly mortgage the farm (1/2/3 this year or firstr next year) to trade up for claiborne or cox then they are truly idiots of the highest order

dont get cute in rd 1, there will be very very good options at 14

jerry cant help himself

 

[Hostile]

if the cowboys truly mortgage the farm (1/2/3 this year or firstr next year) to trade up for claiborne or cox then they are truly idiots of the highest order

dont get cute in rd 1, there will be very very good options at 14

jerry cant help himself

They won't pay those prices. I highly doubt it is for Claiborne, and they aren't idiots of the highest order.

 

[casmith07]

That would be very intriguing. I'd be for it.

If Claiborne somehow falls (NFL Network's mock draft with Mike Irvin and the guys had Claiborne falling to Arizona at #13) and we are able to move up for him I would have an accident in my pants, from both ends.

 

[visionary]

They won't pay those prices. I highly doubt it is for Claiborne, and they aren't idiots of the highest order.

from your lips to gods ears
let it be so

i am just talking about all the 'inside info' indicating that is what they are looking to do

 

[CATCH17]

if the cowboys truly mortgage the farm (1/2/3 this year or firstr next year) to trade up for claiborne or cox then they are truly idiots of the highest order

dont get cute in rd 1, there will be very very good options at 14

jerry cant help himself

If there is a guy that you just have to have than im all for trading up to get your guy.


Would you trade up for guys like JPP if you know what you know now?

If you think Fletcher Cox is the next JPP than you go up and get him.

If you think Mark Barron is a team leader / field general for the next 10 years than you go up and get him.

 

[DFWJC]

Well, they Jerry siad pretty clearly yesterday that if the value was right that a trade up (or down) was possible.

The obvious (but less likely) trade-up scenario is if one of the elite 5 (some say 6 ) players drops into striking range. If someone happens to move into the top 6 to reach for Tannehill, for example, and then 1-2 other players are taken that aren't graded as highly by Dallas, then all of a sudden they have a shot at someone they thought there was no shot at. Claiborne or even Richardson, for example.

The other would be a small trade up just to get someone that they feel is a tier above what they could get at 14. It would have to be someone that they like much more or it's not worth it. We don't know, but maybe Cox, for example.

You never know how different teams value these guys.

 

[SMCowboy]

I don't think that Claiborne falling to #7 is completely unrealistic.

While I certainly do not understand it, I have heard a few different times on NFL.com that there are some teams that have Gilmore ranked higher than Claiborne.

And given that Claiborne has pretty much been a man to man CB his whole career, I could conceivably see how a team that mostly plays zone coverage could like Gilmore more than Claiborne.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't think that Claiborne falling to #7 is completely unrealistic.

While I certainly do not understand it, I have heard a few different times on NFL.com that there are some teams that have Gilmore ranked higher than Claiborne.

And given that Claiborne has pretty much been a man to man CB his whole career, I could conceivably see how a team that mostly plays zone coverage could like Gilmore more than Claiborne.

I can see why teams would like Gilmore but not better than Claiborne.

Claiborne is just a matchup nightmare for any type of receiver because of his height, size, and long arms.

If you had Carr & Claiborne than you could man up on any team in the league with your starting corners and that is key against elite corners.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't think that Claiborne falling to #7 is completely unrealistic.

While I certainly do not understand it, I have heard a few different times on NFL.com that there are some teams that have Gilmore ranked higher than Claiborne.

And given that Claiborne has pretty much been a man to man CB his whole career, I could conceivably see how a team that mostly plays zone coverage could like Gilmore more than Claiborne.

The cost of moving up for Claiborne bothers me more than anything else, its not like we are talking about the athleticism of a Patrick Peterson here.

He won't fall, and there is no reason for us to move up for him.

 

[JackWagon]

Agreed, I think I have changed my mind as well...........Claiborne and Richardson are top 5 locks, so its pretty obvious the target is going to be Cox.


Is Cox worth giving up our first three picks if that is the price tag???

Yea ... i give up our first 3 picks to gaurantee someone can rush the passer besides Ware. We can find other prospects and UDFAs to fill the other holes.

 

[CATCH17]

The cost of moving up for Claiborne bothers me more than anything else, its not like we are talking about the athleticism of a Patrick Peterson here.

He won't fall, and there is no reason for us to move up for him.

Maybe not the athleticism of Peterson, I don't think there has ever been a corner with Petersons overall athleticism, but Claiborne is a better corner coming out of school.

 

[JBell]

If Claiborne somehow falls (NFL Network's mock draft with Mike Irvin and the guys had Claiborne falling to Arizona at #13) and we are able to move up for him I would have an accident in my pants, from both ends.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

They were in love with Wilkerson last year too and Fletcher Cox is better than him.

I think Fletcher is the guy they are targeting in a trade up.

I think they would gut their draft for a pass rusher but not a RB or Safety.

Right, but they are on two different levels... If I'm reading that old board right, we had Ingram in the top ten, while those DEs were at the bottom of the first round.

Which looks like a terrible evaluation of Ingram to me. Thank Gawd we didn't trade back up for him.

But if we had Richardson above him, we could have him as high as a top-5 type guy, so if he fell a little you could see where they might think there is value there.

Personally, I seriously doubt we trade up, so this is just all idle talk anyway.

 

[Miller]

For what is worth, Jerry has moved our 1st pick in 75% of his 23 drafts. With that said I'd put my money on a trade down and DeCastro at this point! Just guessing.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Maybe not the athleticism of Peterson, I don't think there has ever been a corner with Petersons overall athleticism, but Claiborne is a better corner coming out of school.

I can't say that at all, I would've much rather move up to take PP last year if possible but I can't say the same for Claiborne.

Morris is good, but just not special enough to move up that far and cost us that many picks when we have so many holes. Now if we are talking about a small move up to like 10-11 to get our guy, fine, but for Morris we would be looking at moving up alot higher than that to get him.

I just don't see it being worth it for our team.

 

[CATCH17]

Right, but they are on two different levels... If I'm reading that old board right, we had Ingram in the top ten, while those DEs were at the bottom of the first round.

Which looks like a terrible evaluation of Ingram to me.

I bet they have Richardson as the #1 overall player in the draft.


Ingram played just like Emmitt in College & Richardson has his exact same background.

 

[Gaede]

I bet they have Richardson as the #1 overall player in the draft.


Ingram played just like Emmitt in College & Richardson has his exact same background.

Wouldn't surprise me. I'm in the minority, but I'd love to get Richardson. He's special. I'd hate to lose a lot of picks, but Richardson is something else

 

[CATCH17]

Wouldn't surprise me. I'm in the minority, but I'd love to get Richardson. He's special. I'd hate to lose a lot of picks, but Richardson is something else

I'd love to have Richardson too but I just don't see the value in a runningback.


I wouldn't give up all that for whomever is the best RB in the league right now.

QB's, Receivers, OT's, DB's, and Pass Rushers are the only guys im willing to give up a lot for.