Texas and OU have expressed interest in joining SEC

[Diehardblues]

I meant when they selecting in 2011

But none of the others were attempting to leave.

Id argue OK ST, K St and possibly Texas Tech would be more attractive than Missouri, then and now.

 

[triplets_93]

Numbers Crunching

 

[jterrell]

Can you expand on what it means to not televise their games immediately?

Right now the Big 12 owns their full rights to all games (yes with some weird Longhorn network tie-ins).
Leaving early would cost 80M to each school but they'd still have to settle the rights issues and the lack of 18 month notice to leave.

The reason they were admitted by the SEC for 2025 and both schools and the B12 will publicly discuss 2025 as the date of leaving is because there will be a negotiation that will come down to dollars and cents and likely effected heavily by court cases. --or out of court settlements.

My best guess is B12 tries to hang in there long enough to at least collect the 160M which is 20M per remaining school and a huge chunk of change for those schools.
UT might be willing to pay it but I do not think OU is as OU lacks the 24B land endowment and also the insane Longhorn network cash.
So even amongst new best buds they will have to negotiate.
And of course I am sure both schools will try to lean on ESPN to pay it off but ESPN has to be very careful as they are under threat of lawsuit.
I suspect that lawsuit would start out in the Billions with a B as 8 schools would sue for permanent brand and financial damage and seek all possible legal remedies.
They'd then take their product to whatever service beyond ESPN/FOX will pay them even at a very cut rate. So the lawsuit would have very real merit.

 

[jterrell]

Numbers Crunching

holy wow,,, I made up that Billion number for lawsuit and this dude did the math and said 938M to 1.3B in actual losses.

 

[Red Dragon]

I don't get those who say that a pod doesn't necessarily mean playing each team. If a pod consisted of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma and TAMU, wouldn't that by definition mean each team playing each other at least once a season? It would be like the NFC East wouldn't it?

 

[Diehardblues]

Right now the Big 12 owns their full rights to all games (yes with some weird Longhorn network tie-ins).
Leaving early would cost 80M to each school but they'd still have to settle the rights issues and the lack of 18 month notice to leave.

The reason they were admitted by the SEC for 2025 and both schools and the B12 will publicly discuss 2025 as the date of leaving is because there will be a negotiation that will come down to dollars and cents and likely effected heavily by court cases. --or out of court settlements.

My best guess is B12 tries to hang in there long enough to at least collect the 160M which is 20M per remaining school and a huge chunk of change for those schools.
UT might be willing to pay it but I do not think OU is as OU lacks the 24B land endowment and also the insane Longhorn network cash.
So even amongst new best buds they will have to negotiate.
And of course I am sure both schools will try to lean on ESPN to pay it off but ESPN has to be very careful as they are under threat of lawsuit.
I suspect that lawsuit would start out in the Billions with a B as 8 schools would sue for permanent brand and financial damage and seek all possible legal remedies.
They'd then take their product to whatever service beyond ESPN/FOX will pay them even at a very cut rate. So the lawsuit would have very real merit.

Ok. Thanks for well detailed explanation.

So if they pay the 80 million and give 18 month notice they are good to go? That’s seems like a more doable scenario.

And timing is everything. Probably why they will wait to see if Big 12 collapses which pushes the 18 months out if conference hangs on. Which means they might have more than one more year in Big 12.

Which gives conference time to try and lure some other teams . I can’t imagine TX And OU paying 80 million and then either choosing to not have their games broadcasted or set up for a long legal battle. Especially when SEC new 10 year mega TV deal with ABC/ ESPN doesn’t kick in until 2024.

 

[DFWJC]

But none of the others were attempting to leave.

Id argue OK ST, K St and possibly Texas Tech would be more attractive than Missouri, then and now.

You can argue that if you like, of course.
Im only referring to 2011 and what the SEC was looking for back then….not now.

In 2011, Missouri had been to 7 straight bowls and had been ranked at some point for 7 straight seasons…including 7th their last year.
Their basketball was in the elite 8 two years earlier and was in the tourney the 3 years leading i to the vote

none of the three programs you listed are the flagship universities in their states.

Mizzou was and is THE main university in their state by far.
That state is much larger than Oklahoma or Kansas. This was 2011 and cable market searches.

also, although the SEC doesnt care as much as the Big Ten or ACC, the presidents do at least consider academic rankings. Both AM and Missouri ranked ahead of Texas Tech, Ok St and K State. Again…fwiw

btw, I have no skin in this game and dont care.

 

[Diehardblues]

You can argue that if you like, of course.
Im only referring to 2011 and what the SEC was looking for back then….not now.

In 2011, Missouri had been to 7 straight bowls and had been ranked at some point for 7 straight seasons…including 7th their last year.
Their basketball was in the elite 8 two years earlier and was in the tourney the 3 years leading i to the vote

none of the three programs you listed are the flagship universities in their states.
Mizzou was and are THE main university in their state by far.
That state is much larger than Oklahoma or Kansas.

btw, I have no skin in this game and dont care.

Back then it didn’t matter. No one else was looking to move. But yea, the fact they had prob their best years in school history didn’t hurt but they were basically part of the two team deal SEC was looking for

My bigger point was I was asked what other teams might be attractive to SEC other than TX and OU. That’s when I mentioned A&M and definitely Mizz aren’t IMO as attractive as others currently in Big 12.

 

[Diehardblues]

Back to the huge SEC TV deal with ABC /ESPN which was signed back in December which ends their deal with CBS beginning in 2024. This apparently is what has fueled OU and TX to vault over to SEC.

The Sooners recently complained to Big 12 about all of their early 11am starts on Fox and ABC ( 5 or 6 a year) which commissioner seemed to blow off. Sooners weren’t happy and begin exploring other opportunities.

There concern was early starts not only didn’t reach the bigger time slots at 2:30 and 7:00 but it was difficult for them to fly in recruits for these early kick offs from East and west coast time zones .

This new deal with SEC and ABC/ ESPN addresses it with more afternoon and evening games. They felt this 11am time slot hurt their recruiting . And that it wasn’t just about the money.

https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/football/the-real-reason-oklahoma-wants-out-of-the-big-12

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/sec-abc-espn-exclusive-tv-home-starting-2024-74660455

 

[Rockport]

I don't get those who say that a pod doesn't necessarily mean playing each team. If a pod consisted of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma and TAMU, wouldn't that by definition mean each team playing each other at least once a season? It would be like the NFC East wouldn't it?

I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that each team in the SEC will play each other. Hasn’t been that way for years and now even more so.

 

[Red Dragon]

I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that each team in the SEC will play each other. Hasn’t been that way for years and now even more so.

I mean each team in the 4 team pod playing each other.

 

[jterrell]

I don't get those who say that a pod doesn't necessarily mean playing each team. If a pod consisted of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma and TAMU, wouldn't that by definition mean each team playing each other at least once a season? It would be like the NFC East wouldn't it?

Doesn't have to be.

You could have it like this:

POD A
A1 --say this is Bama
A2
A3
A4 say this is Auburn

POD B
B1
B2
B3
B4

POD C
C1
C2
C3
C4

POD D
D1
D2
D3
D4

TEAM A1:
YEAR1
B1, C1, D1, A2, B2, C2, D2, Rivalry game (Auburn).

YEAR2
B3, C3, D3, A3, B4, C4, D4, A4 or Rivalry game(Auburn both ways)

Year is reverse field advantage of year 1 and year 4 is reverse fields of year 2.

 

[Ghost12]

I don't get those who say that a pod doesn't necessarily mean playing each team. If a pod consisted of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma and TAMU, wouldn't that by definition mean each team playing each other at least once a season? It would be like the NFC East wouldn't it?

Pods work well for the regular season but set up a very bad situation regarding the conference championship. Yes, you would play each team in your pod once per season in the regular season (although the pod you suggested above will never happen since it is too unbalanced).

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yeah, Completely understand TCU, Baylor, and the others’ frustration, but the SEC was not an option

OU and UT were sneaky and clandestine here though. That is for certain.
They pulled off their treachery off brilliantly though!

The BIG 12 is going after ESPN, this could get big as several teams are comming forward from the last shake up with proof that ESPN has always tampered...this could get ugly once the lawsuit is filed.

 

[CouchCoach]

The BIG 12 is going after ESPN, this could get big as several teams are comming forward from the last shake up with proof that ESPN has always tampered...this could get ugly once the lawsuit is filed.

Good luck with proving tampering. ESPN knew what they were doing and had the legal department at ABC at their demand.

 

[CouchCoach]

The Big 12 is going away and all of the saber rattling that Baylor, TCU, OK State and TT can do is all BS because the minute they knew this was happening and you can bet they knew before we did, they started working on their own safety net, as they should have.

The Big 10 might entertain Kansas and K State and the Pac 12 Baylor and TCU but I think Tech gets left out and serves them right, Lubbock is a dirty craphole and only prison teams should have to go there to play.

 

[DFWJC]

……. but I think Tech gets left out and serves them right, Lubbock is a dirty craphole and only prison teams should have to go there to play.

There must be more to this story
Whoa…..seething hate right there!

 

[Robbieac]

There must be more to this story
Whoa…..seething hate right there!

Seriously. Some sort of stick went straight up his butt.

It’s hard to hate on Lubbock.
Lubbock is a great family town. It’s where I went to Medical school.

 

[Ghost12]

Good luck with proving tampering. ESPN knew what they were doing and had the legal department at ABC at their demand.

First of all, you don’t have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in civil court. You only have to provide a preponderance of evidence.

Second of all, if it did happen, then I think it would be very easy to reveal during discovery (especially if the AAC people cooperated). If a judge thinks they have a legit case, they can call in AAC AD’s and ESPN execs to testify under oath, get phone records, chat logs, email, etc…. it’s not criminal court where you can choose not to testify….

Bowlsby seems 100% sure of himself. My personal theory is that an AAC AD (or conference commissioner) tipped Bowlsby with a little “hey guess what ESPN just called me about…”

 

[RaZon]

The hell with conferences, just make everyone an independant. Worked for Notre Dame.