Texas and OU have expressed interest in joining SEC

[CouchCoach]

There must be more to this story
Whoa…..seething hate right there!

I detest West Texas.

 

[CouchCoach]

Seriously. Some sort of stick went straight up his butt.

It’s hard to hate on Lubbock.
Lubbock is a great family town. It’s where I went to Medical school.

No, it isn't, just spend two nights there. If half my family was in Lubbock or Midland and half in an Afghan prison, I get the ones out of West Texas first. Because I could talk them into going to Afghanistan to free the rest of the family easier than getting the ones in Afghanistan to go to Lubbock. They might just decide to stay in prison.

 

[CouchCoach]

First of all, you don’t have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in civil court. You only have to provide a preponderance of evidence.

Second of all, if it did happen, then I think it would be very easy to reveal during discovery (especially if the AAC people cooperated). If a judge thinks they have a legit case, they can call in AAC AD’s and ESPN execs to testify under oath, get phone records, chat logs, email, etc…. it’s not criminal court where you can choose not to testify….

Bowlsby seems 100% sure of himself. My personal theory is that an AAC AD (or conference commissioner) tipped Bowlsby with a little “hey guess what ESPN just called me about…”

And what is the crime? The Board of Regents at both schools elected to move to the SEC and there's nothing the Big 12 can do about it. They're already the doormat of the Power 5 and whining will get them nowhere.

Do you think anyone is going to buy that ESPN was the catalyst to these two schools moving? They merely acted as the intermediary and put the parties together. The Big 12 can pound sand to prove damages. OU and UT went for the money and ESPN didn't bribe them to do it.

There isn't going to be a Big 12 to do anything, it is now a Power 4 situation.

 

[CowboyFrog]

First of all, you don’t have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in civil court. You only have to provide a preponderance of evidence.

Second of all, if it did happen, then I think it would be very easy to reveal during discovery (especially if the AAC people cooperated). If a judge thinks they have a legit case, they can call in AAC AD’s and ESPN execs to testify under oath, get phone records, chat logs, email, etc…. it’s not criminal court where you can choose not to testify….

Bowlsby seems 100% sure of himself. My personal theory is that an AAC AD (or conference commissioner) tipped Bowlsby with a little “hey guess what ESPN just called me about…”

The Big 12 needs to prove 4 things to succeed.
First, that they had a contract with ESPN over media rights. Check non debatable.
Second, that ESPN knew they had a contract with the Big 12. Check non debatable
Third, that ESPN acted intentionally or improperly. Check not sure how to debate if ESPN "accidently did this, but guess you could try.
Fourth, that the Big 12 conference and remaining 8 members suffered or will suffer monetary losses or reputation. Check which we all know and why we were scared… Unless somehow the remaining 8 members get a new media contract for more money then we made with TX and OU.

ESPN can defeat element #3 if they were approached by the AAC
and the AAC then approached Big XII schools.

Because the courts don’t like to enforce tortious interference in a way where the claim acts as a non-compete.

But, yeah.

I’m guess ESPN is deep +++t.

 

[CouchCoach]

The Big 12 needs to prove 4 things to succeed.
First, that they had a contract with ESPN over media rights. Check non debatable.
Second, that ESPN knew they had a contract with the Big 12. Check non debatable
Third, that ESPN acted intentionally or improperly. Check not sure how to debate if ESPN "accidently did this, but guess you could try.
Fourth, that the Big 12 conference and remaining 8 members suffered or will suffer monetary losses or reputation. Check which we all know and why we were scared… Unless somehow the remaining 8 members get a new media contract for more money then we made with TX and OU.

Fourth is a pipe dream, the Big 12 is no longer a Power 5 in football. If they stay intact, they will have to renegotiate that Fox contract with OU and UT missing. Their only hope would be to replace them with two schools on the same level as a TV draw. Think they can talk OR and USC or OSU and MI into joining them?

The Big 12 is going the way of the old SWC. The funny part is that some think ESPN did something to the Big 12. Nope, they did it to Fox.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Fourth is a pipe dream, the Big 12 is no longer a Power 5 in football. If they stay intact, they will have to renegotiate that Fox contract with OU and UT missing. Their only hope would be to replace them with two schools on the same level as a TV draw. Think they can talk OR and USC or OSU and MI into joining them?

The Big 12 is going the way of the old SWC. The funny part is that some think ESPN did something to the Big 12. Nope, they did it to Fox.

Bowlsby said he has proof that ESPN has incentivised other conferences to try and break the remaining BIG12 member up to make sure there is no penalties paid by TX and OU. It has legs or schools would not be comming forward. Will it materialize.....who knows. If it does they have them on tortious interference though....

 

[Ghost12]

And what is the crime?

Well, to be clear, there is no "crime" since this is a civil matter and not a criminal matter. Having said that, the Commissioner of the Big 12 (Bob Bowlsby) is accusing ESPN of breach of contract (something an awful lot of people seem to be accusing Disney of these days) and tortious interference with the pre-existing agreements in place.

Do you think anyone is going to buy that ESPN was the catalyst to these two schools moving? They merely acted as the intermediary and put the parties together.

That statement alone, if true, could constitute tortious interference - to say nothing of ESPN's shenanigans with the AAC.

The Big 12 can pound sand to prove damages.

Proving damages is the easy part. I mean no one can possibly argue the Big 12 isn't damaged financially by what is going on.

 

[Ghost12]

The Big 12 needs to prove 4 things to succeed.
First, that they had a contract with ESPN over media rights. Check non debatable.

IMHO this is the key part. According to the articles I have read, this contract includes a clause that ESPN cannot act in a way that damages the Big 12. For ESPN to damage a partner is worse than damaging an entity they have no relationship with.

I’m guess ESPN is deep +++t.

Well, it's all about money. ESPN may have to cough some up but then things will go on as before.

 

[CowboyFrog]

IMHO this is the key part. According to the articles I have read, this contract includes a clause that ESPN cannot act in a way that damages the Big 12. For ESPN to damage a partner is worse than damaging an entity they have no relationship with.
Well, it's all about money. ESPN may have to cough some up but then things will go on as before.

I think your right but the amount of money could be big, and it opens the door for more cases. Also the NCAA is going to court it doesn't look like they are just handing over the keys of CFB....this could get interesting.

 

[DFWJC]

No, it isn't, just spend two nights there. If half my family was in Lubbock or Midland and half in an Afghan prison, I get the ones out of West Texas first. Because I could talk them into going to Afghanistan to free the rest of the family easier than getting the ones in Afghanistan to go to Lubbock. They might just decide to stay in prison.

This almost sounds like a mental disability on your part
But Im pretty sure you’re a fully functioning adult, so there is a story here somewhere

 

[CouchCoach]

It's all saber rattling and the SWC tried that with AR when they left for the SEC and the Big 12 tried that when CO, NE, MO and A&M walked.

These schools are going to do what the money tells them to do and that money comes from the alums, the same ones that get them into trouble with the NCAA. Now, they can legally pay recruits.

Who do you think OSU talked to first when they heard what OU and Texas were up to? T. Boone Pickens And they will listen to him.

Do you really think OU or UT care about the saber rattling of the Commissioner of a dead conference? Just lay down and die like they should have when they got wrecked before and they should be thanking OU and UT for keeping them on life support. If not for OU, they would have been the laughing stock of the football world.

Publicly, they are doing what they have to do with OU, UT and the SEC silent because they realize this is over. The Big 12 and Pac 12 people are talking and saying the things they feel are necessary but they all realize the truth, the SEC caught them napping and took the first steps at the Super Conference, they're schools are going to make more sports money from TV that any others and they've got egg on their face.

The Big 12 didn't see this coming? Gimme a break. If they didn't, they should all be fired. Remember when they were going to make UT pay for that Longhorn Network play? All saber rattling and making the alums feel like their doing something when in fact they got schooled in the money game.

 

[CouchCoach]

This almost sounds like a mental disability on your part
But Im pretty sure you’re a fully functioning adult, so there is a story here somewhere

I wouldn't say I do not have a mental disability but not liking that stinking. literally, part of the state isn't it.

 

[RaZon]

See if I can remember it right.

Big 8

Missouri
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Iowa State

SWC

Texas
Arkansas
Rice
Baylor
Texas A&M
SMU
TCU
Houston

SEC

LSU
Florida
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Vanderbilt


Think I screwed up somewhere.

 

[Diehardblues]

Fourth is a pipe dream, the Big 12 is no longer a Power 5 in football. If they stay intact, they will have to renegotiate that Fox contract with OU and UT missing. Their only hope would be to replace them with two schools on the same level as a TV draw. Think they can talk OR and USC or OSU and MI into joining them?

The Big 12 is going the way of the old SWC. The funny part is that some think ESPN did something to the Big 12. Nope, they did it to Fox.

Actually it was ABC/ ESPN that did it to CBS. SEC is leaving CBS in 2024 for new 10 yr mega deal signed back in December with ABC/ESPN along with SECN. There will be SEC games on all 3 Networks.

This is what attracted OU as they hated the early 11am kickoffs on Fox and ABC which has been 5 or 6 games a year including the Red River rivalry. And were upset their rematch with Nebraska was going to be 11am.

They complained to Big 12 Commish but fell on deaf ears and when the negotiations begin brewing months ago. And when Texas heard OU was looking to leave didn’t want to be left behind.

 

[Diehardblues]

See if I can remember it right.

Big 8

Missouri
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Iowa State

SWC

Texas
Arkansas
Rice
Baylor
Texas A&M
SMU
TCU
Houston

SEC

LSU
Florida
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Vanderbilt


Think I screwed up somewhere.

South Carolina was an Independent.

Forgot Kentucky in SEC. And you forgot Texas Tech in SWC.

Note: Houston used to be an Independent too

 

[Aviano90]

See if I can remember it right.

Big 8

Missouri
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Iowa State

SWC

Texas
Arkansas
Rice
Baylor
Texas A&M
SMU
TCU
Houston

SEC

LSU
Florida
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Vanderbilt


Think I screwed up somewhere.

Back when I lived for college football. January 1st used to be my favorite day of the year. I rarely even watch an entire game anymore.

 

[RaZon]

Back when I lived for college football. January 1st used to be my favorite day of the year. I rarely even watch an entire game anymore.

Why the lost of interest?

I love the college game because every game is huge, a loss in college football is massive.

 

[Aviano90]

Why the lost of interest?

I love the college game because every game is huge, a loss in college football is massive.

Just doesn't have the same feel. Conference realignments, loss of historical rivalries, players sitting out bowl games, championship game always late on Monday night and yet still have controversy as to who gets to participate in the playoffs.

 

[RaZon]

Just doesn't have the same feel. Conference realignments, loss of historical rivalries, players sitting out bowl games, championship game always late on Monday night and yet still have controversy as to who gets to participate in the playoffs.

I hear ya, but the action is still the action.

 

[jterrell]