The aftermath of T.O.'s leaving Dallas

[JohnnyHopkins]

Absolutely! And I love to bust others' chops and all you hellions never disappoint me by busting mine.
And let us remember it is the offseason or we'd be discussing rational things (maybe).

And let me say one more thing: We are crazy to be getting rid of T.O. when we should be pushing ever day to dump the Clown Wade Phills.
Fire at will!

I was never a big fan of bringing Wade in, so I can't toss any barbs your way on that one. I'm not even opposed to TO coming back (but would be really much happier if he had some sort of accident that rendered him mute until just after his contract was up, maybe Deion could even be there with him).

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Absolutely! And I love to bust others' chops and all you hellions never disappoint me by busting mine.
And let us remember it is the offseason or we'd be discussing rational things (maybe).

And let me say one more thing: We are crazy to be getting rid of T.O. when we should be pushing ever day to dump the Clown Wade Phills.
Fire at will!

Agreed! I have much more disdain for the coaching staff right now than Owens! If Wade or Garrett ever find their "pair" and man-up to their responsibilities as coaches and LEAD this team maybe, just maybe, things would be different these days and we wouldn't even need to "discuss" Owens' importance and/or worth to this team!

 

[bysbox1]

in some systems....but we dont win 1 superbowl without Michael Irvin. We won games with troy out, with, emmitt out (winning records for both) When mike was out or record was a losing record. Take TO off this team in the 13 and 3 year we dont win. Take Moss off of the pats, they dont go 17 and one. We saw the Giants with out Plax...Dont be too quick to say Receiver is overatted.

Now for the Steelers or Ravens or maybe the Titans then your statement may be true.

And I wouldn't even say the Steelers don't have a #1 reciever. Hines Ward is no slouch . . . He's not Randy Moss, but I he has 81 receptions and 1043 yards last year . . . and Santonio Holmes is a formidable #2 and a 1st round draft pick.

 

[bysbox1]

In a sane world, I tend to agree with you re No. 2. But when it comes to jerra, you can never tell. If Parcells calls up, Jerra would be hard-pressed to say no to his former man crush. Like Dracula, Parcells will command Jerra to look into his eyes and Jerra might cough up Austin to get a backup QB, a lineman or secondary help.

As to No. 1, any strong capable coach (we're not talking about the Wades of the world) would want T.O. and in turn would punish us in the future with his skills. Geez, if people still clamor for the Zach Thomases and Ray Lewises of the world, why wouldn't someone want one of the premier receivers in the NFL? No soap, dude. go fish.

As to yer No. 3 :laugh2: yes, let's dump T.O. so we can go into FA and get a far-less talented receiver. Yer scenario stinks as bad as last season's scenario of trading away a veteran TE (Fasano) just so we'd have to burn a draft pick on a TE.
Good thinking. You should join Jerra's inner circle.:laugh2:

Come back when you again reside in the real world cherub.

Plus Austin is a RFA. Parcells does not have to do a Jedi mind trick on Jerry. All he has to do is wait for Jerry to offer the tender, then come up with a better offer. If the offer is too rich for Jerry and the cap, Austin is gone. Plus Miami has TONS of cap room, and I just don't see Dallas tendering Austin first round pick money. It would shock me if they did.

 

[Bleu Star]

Jerry should not allow the fleecing of Austin. Period! Match whatever they offer. Austin is one of those bright spots that has come up in our system and should not be allowed to go shine elsewhere. The fruit of our labor should shine right here!

 

[bysbox1]

Jerry should not allow the fleecing of Austin. Period! Match whatever they offer. Austin is one of those bright spots that has come up in our system and should not be allowed to go shine elsewhere. The fruit of our labor should shine right here!

I know that, you know that, but is Jerry willing to pay a #4 receiver and special teams guy 3 million a year? I just don't see it happening. And Miami has the cap room to do it, plus Austin was a Parcell's project, so I could see Bill ponying up on that offer.

Just sayin . . . I would like to see him here, but I could see someone overpaying him (see Jaques Reeves).

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Jerry should not allow the fleecing of Austin. Period! Match whatever they offer. Austin is one of those bright spots that has come up in our system and should not be allowed to go shine elsewhere. The fruit of our labor should shine right here!

I agree but . . .
dang, where does all this extra BIG money come from? When we finish with Ware and possibly help on the O line plus a backup QB (Cassel anyone) plus secondary help, where indeed does the money come from.
Again, I'd sell the farm to keep Austin but I am living vicariously with jerra's money.
Hope we do keep Austin cause we need all the help we can git with hatahs agitating for dumping T.O.
And that would leave us with . . . "Bigfoot" Roy Williams and Crazy Crayton leading our receiving corps? Arrrgggghhhhhhh!

 

[khiladi]

the Eagles,Patriots, and Cards have no problem getting the ball to there #1 wrs. they don't need 81. you guys act like we will not be able to do anything on offense without him. go look at how teams with no #1 wrs have had success. wr is the most overrated position in football.

Because of their coaching... We couldn't get our other receivers the ball. Wes Welker was a major factor that testifies to the ability of coaching. The guy did nothing prior to his stint with the Patriots, and when Moss came in, they made every effort to exploit match-ups Welker was getting against LBs. The Cardinals did the same thing with Boldin, with him running short routes and making YAC. Fitzgerald in the Super Bowl cot his catches against single-coverage, and when he was oubled, he didn't do anything the whole day. Against the Eagles, it was the same thing, where Haley took adavanatge of the aggressiveness of the Eagles by using screens and quick passes. In the situation of the flea-flicker, they again got a one-on-one match-up against Fitzgerald, because one of the coverage guys bit on the screen.

 

[khiladi]

I love this stupid arguement that the t.o. fanboys keep saying. is Ware 35 years old and declining?

does Ware complain about coaches and teammates?

we don't have to replace him. everybody has to step up and we need to stop running our offense through a freaking wr.

out of the playoff teams how many run there offenses through a wr?

nyg - no
carolina - no
minnesota - no
Arizona - yes
Atlanta - no
Philly - passing offense but not through 1 wr so no

Pitt - no
Tenn. - no
Miami - no
SD - no
Indy - just like philly

Balt. - no

And Steve SMith was the number 3 receiver in the league, whicih testifies to the fact that a rushing game does not ruin the statistics of TO, who I'm quite sure understands that... Atlanta had a WR that cuaght how many passes, because of a running game?

 

[khiladi]

I believe it was Dan Reeves, when he analyzed the tape. said TO helped the running game by his blocking or presence on the field.

 

[Bleu Star]

a rushing game does not ruin the statistics of TO, who I'm quite sure understands that... Atlanta had a WR that caught how many passes, because of a running game?

I believe it was Dan Reeves, when he analyzed the tape. said TO helped the running game by his blocking or presence on the field.

Both are very keen observations and I am confident Rampage could see your point if he would step away from his construction of the next TO hate post.

A balanced offense is sorely needed. We succeed when the defense has no idea what we're going to do. We have the weapons right now in both the passing and running games. Unfortunately we don't have the catalyst at the offensive coordination position to make this happen.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Gosh, what would we do without a 36 year old WR who ranked 26th is in the NFL in yards and ranked 28th leading WR in receptions.

Just find a way to make due with just one Pro Bowl caliber WR, a Pro Bowl caliber QB, an All Pro caliber TE (maybe the best in the game), a Pro Bowl caliber RB, a TE we just spent a 2nd rounder on, a young stable of complimentary RB's and an offensive line that's put three of the five starters in the Pro Bowl.

I guess maybe we could finish 2-14.

Because coverage is shifted towards TO , but I wont point out the obvious.

 

[Bleu Star]

Because coverage is shifted towards TO , but I wont point out the obvious.

That offseason checklist is on point.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

That offseason checklist is on point.

Word playa...

 

[5Countem5]

The aftermath of TO leaving?

It'll be 2012. Who knows?

 

[Vintage]

Word playa...

Just finished polishing my 13s, homey.

Hows them wal-mart spinners treating you?

 

[Bleu Star]

Just finished polishing my 13s, homey.

Hows them wal-mart spinners treating you?

Although you are going in a bad direction I will play your game.

Bling Blang. Wal Mart Spinners are the shiznit.

 

[sonnyboy]

Both are very keen observations and I am confident Rampage could see your point if he would step away from his construction of the next TO hate post.

A balanced offense is sorely needed. We succeed when the defense has no idea what we're going to do. We have the weapons right now in both the passing and running games. Unfortunately we don't have the catalyst at the offensive coordination position to make this happen.

Why do the TO haters never account for Burress?

Here's a guy who is very good yet not quite as good as Owens.

He's twice the headache that Owens is percieved to be in the locker room. (DOCUMENTED)
And infinetly more of a problem off the field. (DOCUMENTED)

Yet the ultimate "team" managed to win a SB with him in 2007 and sorely missed his cancerous presence down the stretch in 2008.

Oh and did I mention they're bringing him back.


Yet we have to dump our future HOF 34 year old WR. Not 35, not 36, he's 34 and will be 34 til the late this Dec.

BTW- As we speak, he is our best WR since Irvin circa 1996.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Why do the TO haters never account for Burress?

Here's a guy who is very good yet not quite as good as Owens.

He's twice the headache that Owens is percieved to be in the locker room. (DOCUMENTED)
And infinetly more of a problem off the field. (DOCUMENTED)

Yet the ultimate "team" managed to win a SB with him in 2007 and sorely missed his cancerous presence down the stretch in 2008.

Oh and did I mention they're bringing him back.


Yet we have to dump our future HOF 34 year old WR. Not 35, not 36, he's 34 and will be 34 til the late this Dec.

BTW- As we speak, he is our best WR since Irvin circa 1996.

With Aikman throwing to Owens, T.O. is BETTER than Irvin.
And T.O. doesn't have a criminal record like Irvin.

 

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
Gosh, what would we do without a 36 year old WR who ranked 26th is in the NFL in yards and ranked 28th leading WR in receptions.

Just find a way to make due with just one Pro Bowl caliber WR, a Pro Bowl caliber QB, an All Pro caliber TE (maybe the best in the game), a Pro Bowl caliber RB, a TE we just spent a 2nd rounder on, a young stable of complimentary RB's and an offensive line that's put three of the five starters in the Pro Bowl.

I guess maybe we could finish 2-14.

Because coverage is shifted towards TO , but I wont point out the obvious.

?????


13th in the nfl in REC yds,

For 1000yd receivers, 5th in TDS, 4th in pases >40 yds

..and played 3 games with B Johnson / Brooks Bollinger.

Do you really want to know RW11 stats? Really?


I will gladly take C Johnson, A Johnson, Fitz, Boldin, S Smith as a replacement.


Now, is Roy as bad as his stat line, no. But, he has yet to prove he can match TOs production.