The biggest surprise about the Frederick pick

[Risen Star]

Well, to be fair, he did say that no team would want their board made public. It wasn't solely directed toward the Cowboys. Or at least that is my interpretation of what he said.

That's exactly what I said. It was actually in defense of the Cowboys. You can't accuse them of being secretive with their rankings because they lack confidence in them. No NFL team makes that stuff public pre or post draft. The most you get is a nugget or two from a comment the front office may make after the draft. Like Ciskowski saying Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30.

 

[Verdict]

I know that, but he always says that the Cowboys are the ones that always get it wrong, as if he actually knows, which he does not.

I know. I have been following the bouncing ball. He does take a pretty extreme viewpoint at times. But there is some truth to what he says, even if it sounds a little bit extreme.

 

[Risen Star]

If you list the ones taken with a first or second round grade, I think you will find quite a bit of success. As a side note, I guess this is the reward I get for trying to tell the lynch mob to cut you some slack!

I agree that when we use a premium pick the results are better, but you have to do better than that. You can not constantly whiff on offensive lineman taken after the 2nd round. There has to be some hits in there over nearly 20 years, right?

 

[5Stars]

That's exactly what I said. It was actually in defense of the Cowboys. You can't accuse them of being secretive with their rankings because they lack confidence in them. No NFL team makes that stuff public pre or post draft. The most you get is a nugget or two from a comment the front office may make after the draft. Like Ciskowski saying Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30.

There you have it, Verdict!

:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[dfan32]

He did not expect to get taken until the 3rd round.

The Cowboys felt he would not last thru their next pick. If the consensus was third round, then someone else would have "reached" him right out of the Cowboys plans. Personally, if this guy can make line calls and prevent total pocket collapse on all passing downs, then I don't care if it was a reach.

 

[ThreeandOut]

That's exactly what I said. It was actually in defense of the Cowboys. You can't accuse them of being secretive with their rankings because they lack confidence in them. No NFL team makes that stuff public pre or post draft. The most you get is a nugget or two from a comment the front office may make after the draft. Like Ciskowski saying Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30.

The team gets criticized enough for the selections it makes. Last thing that need is for people to second guess their draft board, especially since it gives them no benefit to release it.

 

[Risen Star]

I know. I have been following the bouncing ball. He does take a pretty extreme viewpoint at times. But there is some truth to what he says, even if it sounds a little bit extreme.

I have no idea what is extreme about saying the Cowboys don't know how to evaluate offensive linemen. Watch a game. It's pretty obvious.

 

[Verdict]

I don't know what you've been reading then.

Fasano was a consensus 2nd round projection. So was Bennett. Escobar was a 2nd/3rd round projection from everything I've read. He was probably the lowest ranked of the three by the resources we have access to.

But my point wasn't really about the talent but the opportunity. We've tried this 2 TE New England offense before and it never amounts to anything. So consider me skeptical this third time around.

And I don't know that I want to feature 2 TEs with Dez Bryant on the field anyway.

I think your point is pretty valid if we don't do something pretty special with Escobar, and implement a 3 tight end set with at least some degree of frequency.

 

[Risen Star]

The team gets criticized enough for the selections it makes. Last thing that need is for people to second guess their draft board, especially since it gives them no benefit to release it.

Exactly.

That being said, I would pay to see it every year.

 

[5Stars]

I have no idea what is extreme about saying the Cowboys don't know how to evaluate offensive linemen. Watch a game. It's pretty obvious.

Go teach them, bro! cowboyjoe taught Landry how to use the shotgun!

 

[Verdict]

Risen, I personally think you have some valid points, but "just shooting everyone and letting God sort it out" on this message board really waters down your otherwise rational points.

 

[Risen Star]

I think your point is pretty valid if we don't do something pretty special with Escobar, and implement a 3 tight end set with at least some degree of frequency.

And that's another angle to it. James Hanna. He was like everybody's darling late round rookie with the way he flashed late in the year. Doesn't the Escobar pick pretty much eliminate Hanna from having any real meaningful impact on the offense unless there's an injury?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is the kind of comment you can make when your football team fields a productive line. Not the Bad News Bears slop we've seen here for years.

If I don't agree with the Cowboys on OL, chances are I'm pretty right.

No this is the comment you can make when you are reading something from random fan who acts like they are an expert.

 

[5Stars]

And that's another angle to it. James Hanna. He was like everybody's darling late round rookie with the way he flashed late in the year. Doesn't the Escobar pick pretty much eliminate Hanna from having any real meaningful impact on the offense unless there's an injury?

Wow, having some depth at TE in case of injury! What a concept!

 

[Verdict]

Wow, having some depth at TE in case of injury! What a concept!

Actually, this point is pretty much spot on. I'm not saying depth isn't important but if we don't use Hanna it makes him largely irrelevant which I think is bad since Hanna has a distinct speed advantage and is more of a home run threat than either Witten or Escobar.

 

[Idgit]

This is the kind of comment you can make when your football team fields a productive line. Not the Bad News Bears slop we've seen here for years.

If I don't agree with the Cowboys on OL, chances are I'm pretty right.

That's not necessarily true. If you're really in favor of drafting BPA, there's a good chance that player plays a position other than OL.

 

[L-O-Jete]

Wow, having some depth at TE in case of injury! What a concept!

Wouldn't it be cool to use that concept for... I don't know the OL which is there for every offensive snap?

 

[5Stars]

Wouldn't it be cool to use that concept for... I don't know the OL which is there for every offensive snap?

Well, if you think they only have five players for the oline, then think again.

You, I, or anyone else does not know who will be on the team as starters and as depth. You act as if the Cowboys are not doing ANYTHING about the oline.

You must have graduated from the School of Risen Star.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

The melt down would have been epic if Pugh was the pick. I would rather had Frederick with the 18th pick than have Pugh with the 31st. Frederick is strong enough to play well as a rookie and linemen with his power are rare when they first enter the pros.

Why do you say that? Pugh was thought to be a first round pick by just about everyone, the kid can play. The fact that the giants took him, a franchise who has drafted very well lately, should tell you something about him.

 

[L-O-Jete]

Well, if you think they only have five players for the oline, then think again.

You, I, or anyone else does not know who will be on the team as starters and as depth. You act as if the Cowboys are not doing ANYTHING about the oline.

You must have graduated from the School of Risen Star.

You're right! they used their first pick for Fred, and then they... uhhh... well they... Crossed their fingers?