The biggest surprise about the Frederick pick

[5Stars]

You're right! they used their first pick for Fred, and then they... uhhh... well they... Crossed their fingers?

Did you want them to draft oline at every pick?

You have no clue what is going on. I would expect and hope the new oline coach knows more than you....but, I doubt it.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

Did you want them to draft oline at every pick?

You have no clue what is going on. I would expect and hope the new oline coach knows more than you....but, I doubt it.

They didn't have to take an ol with every pick, but they could have drafted one more. We all saw how bad this ol was last year, and know we aren't one ol away from fixing the problem.

 

[Verdict]

They didn't have to take an ol with every pick, but they could have drafted one more. We all saw how bad this ol was last year, and know we aren't one ol away from fixing the problem.

Actually if they drafted another offensive lineman who didn't start this year would it really help any? Is it at least possible that the draftee could be a progress stopper preventing us from investing a higher and more premium pick next year?

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

Actually if they drafted another offensive lineman who didn't start this year would it really help any? Is it at least possible that the draftee could be a progress stopper preventing us from investing a higher and more premium pick next year?

Or they could have taken a lineman who would be good enough to start for us this year, that is also possible.

 

[morasp]

Or they could have taken a lineman who would be good enough to start for us this year, that is also possible.

According to Jerry Frederick, was the last one available they felt could come in and win a starting spot this year.

 

[jnday]

Why do you say that? Pugh was thought to be a first round pick by just about everyone, the kid can play. The fact that the giants took him, a franchise who has drafted very well lately, should tell you something about him.

It tells me that they think he can get stronger. Pugh is a second or third round talent that got bumped up due to the run on olinemen in the draft. He is not a strong tackle and the Giants will really have to give him some time to get stronger enough to play guard.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

According to Jerry Frederick, was the last one available they felt could come in and win a starting spot this year.

And Jerry is such a great football mind, better tell everyone else in the league that every ol they drafted has no shot to win a starting spot next year.

 

[Doomsday101]

They didn't have to take an ol with every pick, but they could have drafted one more. We all saw how bad this ol was last year, and know we aren't one ol away from fixing the problem.

One can make a big difference.

 

[5Stars]

One can make a big difference.

Hell, even the new oline coach can make a new difference in the players that the Cowboys already have.

And, picking another rookie olineman that is not projected to start like the new center, might be a progress stopper or just a project for down the road, and the Cowboys already have some of those that have been with the team a few years.

 

[morasp]

And Jerry is such a great football mind, better tell everyone else in the league that every ol they drafted has no shot to win a starting spot next year.

I assume it was the scouts working with the coaches that made that determination. I doubt Jerry spends a lot of time scouting players.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hell, even the new oline coach can make a new difference in the players that the Cowboys already have.

And, picking another rookie olineman that is not projected to start like the new center, might be a progress stopper or just a project for down the road, and the Cowboys already have some of those that have been with the team a few years.

It would help if this year we did not have a ton of injuries on the OL before camp even starts as we did last year. Callahan is trying to put in a system and kind of hard when week to week you can't get the same 5 on the field.

Not trying to make excuses for them and I agree we need more talent on the OL. I like the pick up of Frederick and I do still think the Cowboys will add another player to the roster via FA. We will see

I think most would agree this offense in terms of consistency can only happen if the OL starts playing better.

 

[5Stars]

It would help if this year we did not have a ton of injuries on the OL before camp even starts as we did last year. Callahan is trying to put in a system and kind of hard when week to week you can't get the same 5 on the field.

Not trying to make excuses for them and I agree we need more talent on the OL. I like the pick up of Frederick and I do still think the Cowboys will add another player to the roster via FA. We will see

I think most would agree this offense in terms of consistency can only happen if the OL starts playing better.

Maybe...from what I hear, Romo is the biggest problem.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe...from what I hear, Romo is the biggest problem.

:laugh2: I have heard the same however I think if the offense can start establishing a running game it will do wonders in slowing up the defensive pass rush and give Romo the time in the pockets and lead to less risk taking on his part.

I have never said Romo was without fault even Romo has said when he tries to do too much is when he gets in trouble. However with the way the front has been he has to take more on himself to get this offense going.

One way to take care of this issue is by having a running game to help keep the down and distance manageable, thus less risk when defense knows you have to pass the ball.

 

[5Stars]

:laugh2: I have heard the same however I think if the offense can start establishing a running game it will do wonders in slowing up the defensive pass rush and give Romo the time in the pockets and lead to less risk taking on his part.

I have never said Romo was without fault even Romo has said when he tries to do too much is when he gets in trouble. However with the way the front has been he has to take more on himself to get this offense going.

One way to take care of this issue is by having a running game to help keep the down and distance manageable, thus less risk when defense knows you have to pass the ball.

Right...and I think this new center along with hopefully a healthy Costa confused: ) and Tyron and the rest working together for the start of the season, and with the new running back to help Murray, I think that just might happen.

 

[Doomsday101]

Right...and I think this new center along with hopefully a healthy Costa confused: ) and Tyron and the rest working together for the start of the season, and with the new running back to help Murray, I think that just might happen.

Right now that is what I'm banking on. If they can then we have a good chance of having a very good season if not we will struggle to make it.

 

[5Stars]

Right now that is what I'm banking on. If they can then we have a good chance of having a very good season if not we will struggle to make it.

I'm not as smart as the graduates from the School of Risen Star, but, for some reason I have a good feeling about what is happening along the oline.

Now, Rinsen Star has been right about the oline, as have others, but they talk as if the Cowboys have done nothing to address it.

And, it might not be over yet. They might bring in someone else, but the complaining from day to day to day is just...lazy!

:laugh2:

 

[Risen Star]

That's not necessarily true. If you're really in favor of drafting BPA, there's a good chance that player plays a position other than OL.

There's very little chance that BPA leaves you with no players at the OL year after year. You're talking about 5 positions and having one player head and shoulders above any other on your board isn't that common.

What's true is the Cowboys don't value those positions. So when they're sitting there looking at a small group of players at the top of their board, they favor the irrelevant cornerback over the non sexy pick of a C or G.

They had to do something this year. Once they did, they completely ignored the OL the rest of the way and including UDFA.

 

[Risen Star]

Ah, I see now. It's year 2 where Callahan will bring out his big bag of tricks.

These guys can play. They just have to get their footwork right.

 

[Idgit]

There's very little chance that BPA leaves you with no players at the OL year after year. You're talking about 5 positions and having one player head and shoulders above any other on your board isn't that common.

What's true is the Cowboys don't value those positions. So when they're sitting there looking at a small group of players at the top of their board, they favor the irrelevant cornerback over the non sexy pick of a C or G.

They had to do something this year. Once they did, they completely ignored the OL the rest of the way and including UDFA.

But, we've drafted two OLs in the first in two of Garrett's three drafts, so it's not accurate to say 'no players.'

I'd also disagree that it's uncommon to have a player ranked head and shoulders above over players for a given pick. I'd say it probably happens as often as not.

The Cowboys are pretty much like other teams when it comes to valuing OL positions. They value OTs, and, under Callahan, the apparently place a lot of value on C. They don't value OGs as highly, because everybody knows OGs are more plentiful and maybe the easiest position on the OL to hide a marginal player. There are just too many options there with small school guys who can develop from mid round picks and college OTs who move inside at the next level. It's pretty much supply and demand.

Except around here, where it's taken as an article of blasphemy for some reason. Most likely because it's so unlikely the team is going to reach for an OG, so it gives people something to complain about for longer about how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[5Stars]

Ah, I see now. It's year 2 where Callahan will bring out his big bag of tricks.

These guys can play. They just have to get their footwork right.

How about letting the players that they do have on the oline stay healthy all through training camp so that they can start the season with some chemistry?

And, I see you took a shot at Callahan. What other coach would you rather have?

Oh, and for your little "irrelevant" comment about CB's, tell me which oline player is going to defend the pass, or stop the run, or kick the field goal.

Which oline player is going to come in and run the ball when/if Murray goes down. Which oline player is going to come in and catch passes if Witten gets a ruptured spleen. Which oline player should the Cowboy have drafted to catch passes from Romo if Austin comes up lame.

All it sounds like you want to do is build a rugby team!

:laugh2: