The future is finally in focus

[Idgit]

While playing in 34 of his last 50 possible games.

Again, stash, those missed games need to be qualified since the vast majority of them were missed due to a broken collarbone. Something that doesn't get weaker with age and that doesn't have a higher recurrence risk. Dak's collarbone's are just as vulnerable as Tony's are. Because it's a huge percentage of the games missed, the context really matters here.

 

[Stash]

We'll see where Dak is soon.

After Chicago and San Francisco, he gets to face Cincinnati and Green Bay. Then, we'll have an accurate progress report.

That is, unless Romo is closer to returning than we know.

Definitely. And if Dak struggles, my feelings on this topic likely will as well.

But right now, I don't want to see his good work disregarded or minimized.

 

[Stash]

100% correct.

And I will take that a step further..........Not sure if you agree or not.

THIS whole franchise would be better off if Dak was soooooo good in the next few weeks that we never had to go back to Romo.

Yes, I agree. The sooner they get off of the Romocoaster of health and that huge contract, the better off they will be. It's not a good business strategy to tie your future to an unreliable player.

 

[Stash]

Again, stash, those missed games need to be qualified since the vast majority of them were missed due to a broken collarbone. Something that doesn't get weaker with age and that doesn't have a higher recurrence risk. Dak's collarbone's are just as vulnerable as Tony's are. Because it's a huge percentage of the games missed, the context really matters here.

No, they don't. They involve the same player so they are part of that player's resume and history. The whole package. They 'come with the territory'. Romo's injury history is far and away the worst for any starter in this league and it hurts this franchise - repeatedly. And that pattern needs to stop.

I don't care if it's a different thing that break each and every time. The point is that things break. All the time.

 

[Swade]

Yes, I agree. The sooner they get off of the Romocoaster of health and that huge contract, the better off they will be. It's not a good business strategy to tie your future to an unreliable player.

NO actually you are way out of focus. This needs to be Daks team going forward and never look back. For any guy to sit there two weeks in a row and not be drooling over Dak is totally ridiculous.

You're insane... The guy struggles in the redzone, gets basic roll out calls to divide half the field and lessen his reads on offense, Hasn't thrown a TD even though he's had open receivers in the end zone. Dak wouldn't have won yesterday if it weren't for Kirk Cousins throwing an INT and missing Desean Jackson and other receivers on wide open shots.

 

[Idgit]

No, they don't. They involve the same player so they are part of that player's resume and history. The whole package. They 'come with the territory'. Romo's injury history is far and away the worst for any starter in this league and it hurts this franchise - repeatedly. And that pattern needs to stop.

I don't care if it's a different thing that break each and every time. The point is that things break. All the time.

Actually, it matters a lot, because the bone that's breaking is one built to withstand no more than 7 pounds of pressure on any human being. So the fact that it happened twice to Tony isn't meaningful unless you think there's something about the way Tony plays that subjects his collarbones to an unusual beating. That seems pretty unlikely. Otherwise, you're left with the fact that the dude missed however many games because he took two hits, 5 years apart, that happened to break the same bones twice.

It's fine to say you have a no tolerance for injuries policy, but in a situation like this where the context informs you regarding the risk, if you ignore the context, you're willfully only looking at part of the picture. You have bad data as a result, which leads you to end up drawing a wrong conclusion re: the risk.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Definitely. And if Dak struggles, my feelings on this topic likely will as well.

But right now, I don't want to see his good work disregarded or minimized.

On the flip side, let's not make his work out to be more than what it's been. I'm right there on the fence of wait-and-see and I like what I'm seeing, but we're talking about two games. Two REAL games. And he's been okay, but it's only been two games. lol

I'm just happy about the fact that there's a QB not named Romo can run the offense to any degree.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I could see Dak had something special in the preseason and carrying into the regular season. I'm still hard on him because he has a lot to work on and fans act like he's invincible. But he definitely has poise, leadership and intelligence that you need to be a good QB in this league. The question is, does he have skills that will make him elite? To be honest, I don't want to rely on our QB's special skills anymore. I'm tired of putting it all on Romo's shoulders and continuing to not address our weaknesses. That's what the Packers do with Rodgers every year. I'd rather build a great team, especially O-line and defense, like the Seahawks, Cardinals and other teams have. Dak looks like he could be a Super Bowl QB on a good team. I'm not sure if he can win Super Bowls single handedly like Aaron Rodgers. But we shouldn't expect him to. Our biggest issue is the defense. People excuse Marinelli because he doesn't have any talent to work with. But has the personnel improved whatsoever since he's gotten here? It should take 2-3 years to rebuild a defense and you should make noticeable progress each year. I don't see that happening at all.

 

[Stash]

On the flip side, let's not make his work out to be more than what it's been. I'm right there on the fence of wait-and-see and I like what I'm seeing, but we're talking about two games. Two REAL games. And he's been okay, but it's only been two games. lol

After a fine preseason as well. I can only judge him based on what he has done, not on what he hasn't had the chance to do yet. Two in-season games are all we have to go on at this point, but the fact is that he's done everything he could to have this team 2-0.

I'm just happy about the fact that there's a QB not named Romo can run the offense to any degree.

And on that we definitely agree.

 

[Bleu Star]

This is good stuff.

 

[Stash]

Actually, it matters a lot, because the bone that's breaking is one built to withstand no more than 7 pounds of pressure on any human being. So the fact that it happened twice to Tony isn't meaningful unless you think there's something about the way Tony plays that subjects his collarbones to an unusual beating. That seems pretty unlikely. Otherwise, you're left with the fact that the dude missed however many games because he took two hits, 5 years apart, that happened to break the same bones twice.

It's fine to say you have a no tolerance for injuries policy, but in a situation like this where the context informs you regarding the risk, if you ignore the context, you're willfully only looking at part of the picture. You have bad data as a result, which leads you to end up drawing a wrong conclusion re: the risk.

Back, collarbone, whatever. I don't care any more at this point and I accept no qualifiers. Romo gets hurt. Repeatedly.

That's the only thing that concerns me.

I see the risk, and it costs more than the reward at this point. It's harsh, but I'm ready to move on and unless Prescott does something to lose the job, he shouldn't.

 

[Idgit]

I could see Dak had something special in the preseason and carrying into the regular season. I'm still hard on him because he has a lot to work on and fans act like he's invincible. But he definitely has poise, leadership and intelligence that you need to be a good QB in this league. The question is, does he have skills that will make him elite? To be honest, I don't want to rely on our QB's special skills anymore. I'm tired of putting it all on Romo's shoulders and continuing to not address our weaknesses. That's what the Packers do with Rodgers every year. I'd rather build a great team, especially O-line and defense, like the Seahawks, Cardinals and other teams have. Dak looks like he could be a Super Bowl QB on a good team. I'm not sure if he can win Super Bowls single handedly like Aaron Rodgers. But we shouldn't expect him to. Our biggest issue is the defense. People excuse Marinelli because he doesn't have any talent to work with. But has the personnel improved whatsoever since he's gotten here? It should take 2-3 years to rebuild a defense and you should make noticeable progress each year. I don't see that happening at all.

The best defensive talent we've added since he's been here is all injured or suspended, other than Byron Jones. And we should all be able to see the difference a talent like Jones makes on the field.

But, yeah, we haven't done nearly enough to improve the defense since 2011. It's stupid of us, and I don't know what they're thinking, honestly, given where the problems are on the roster.

 

[WoodysGirl]

After a fine preseason as well. I can only judge him based on what he has done, not on what he hasn't had the chance to do yet. Two in-season games are all we have to go on at this point, but the fact is that he's done everything he could to have this team 2-0.

I never count preseason action. Been fooled one too many times by that. lol

But yes, all anyone has to go by is what he's done and it's still been just two games and he's been ok. He hasn't cost the team, and for that Big appluase, because we've seen worse QB play. But he hasn't elevated the team and for that, I have a more measured appreciation for him. I like him, but I like him for what he is.

And on that we definitely agree.

Yes, indeed.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

I haven't read the entire thread yet but great thread to the OP. Here's an interesting point. Romo is certainly the superior passer but Dak makes up in youthful exuberance and hope. Romo unfortunately has the "ohh nooo" tag that he hasn't been able to let go of. I wish it weren't true but it is. Think about it. How often have we seen this type of insane game playing in DC. Romo won in a blowout in '14 but it's often a similar game ANYWAY. I think the decision will reveal itself in the coming weeks.

 

[JDSmith]

Back, collarbone, whatever. I don't care any more at this point and I accept no qualifiers. Romo gets hurt. Repeatedly.

That's the only thing that concerns me.

I see the risk, and it costs more than the reward at this point. It's harsh, but I'm ready to move on and unless Prescott does something to lose the job, he shouldn't.

But he will, and you will continue to post about it like a hysterical 13 year old girl. Because reality isn't what you want it to be. But hey, maybe another 1000 posts will convince the Cowboys brass, right?

 

[JDSmith]

This is good stuff.

Really? I find it's exactly the type of stuff that makes me think that coming here just isn't worth the hassle. But to each his own.

 

[RS12]

You're insane... The guy struggles in the redzone, gets basic roll out calls to divide half the field and lessen his reads on offense, Hasn't thrown a TD even though he's had open receivers in the end zone. Dak wouldn't have won yesterday if it weren't for Kirk Cousins throwing an INT and missing Desean Jackson and other receivers on wide open shots.

It is true that the Red Zone is where you separate the men from the boys in the NFL as QBs go. I do want to see significant improvement here. The fact that they were able to punch it in three times yesterday against an average NFL defense gives me some hope though.

 

[Bleu Star]

Really? I find it's exactly the type of stuff that makes me think that coming here just isn't worth the hassle. But to each his own.

Healthy debate is a wonderful thing. It breeds avenues for progress.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I haven't read the entire thread yet but great thread to the OP. Here's an interesting point. Romo is certainly the superior passer but Dak makes up in youthful exuberance and hope. Romo unfortunately has the "ohh nooo" tag that he hasn't been able to let go of. I wish it weren't true but it is. Think about it. How often have we seen this type of insane game playing in DC. Romo won in a blowout in '14 but it's often a similar game ANYWAY. I think the decision will reveal itself in the coming weeks.

I love the youthful exuberance and hope line. I think that sums up a lot of feelings here.

Let's just not forget, Tony was never able to win with this defense, no QB statistically could, but I can see Dak getting some pretty serious help on that side of the ball in the next couple of years.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Dak is promising , he has all the tools but 0 TD passes. Tony gives us the better chance RIGHT now.

Why are people so hung up on this stat? If he gets those two dropped TD's in week one and we'd be 2-0 and this useless super small sample size stat would be non-existant.