The Garrett bashing is trite, tired, and lacking in truth

ufcrules1

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i agree, Dallas should have made a statement game, and really didnt start where they let off.

They couldn't... They no longer have the same team chemistry. We dominated last year because our run game was almost unstoppable, then Jerry and CO assumed any RB could run behind this line with the same success...and when I say any RB, I'm talking scrub RB's and has beens that Jerry has been in love with since 2008. These are the type of mistakes that have kept us in a pit of mediocrity for 20 years.
 

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They couldn't... They no longer have the same team chemistry. We dominated last year because our run game was almost unstoppable, then Jerry and CO assumed any RB could run behind this line with the same success...and when I say any RB, I'm talking scrub RB's and has beens that Jerry has been in love with since 2008. These are the type of mistakes that have kept us in a pit of mediocrity for 20 years.

How is that Garrett's fault? He's not the GM. He was clearly a fan of Murray and wanted him back.

Yeah it looks like a dumb decision right now, but I don't think anyone anticipated Romo and Dez going down or this offensive line falling off a cliff.
 

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The Giants are nearly 4-0 right now. Their weakness is pass defense. They are showing to be a pretty good team, actually.

They are a well coached team with not much talent at all. Meanwhile we are a poorly coached team loaded with talent. Unfortunately we are riddled with injuries but also not coached or ran very well and still have somewhat of a losing culture here.
 

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How is that Garrett's fault? He's not the GM. He was clearly a fan of Murray and wanted him back.

He took a job in which he has very little say so on who stays or goes. That's been the problem here the past 20 years. We don't go after the best coaches, we go after the puppet coaches that Jerry and son override.
 

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You're smahhtt Erod. Gotta admit I've been a big baby these last two weeks. Somebody hold me

NFL fans across the league today are frothing at the mouth, ripping their head coaches to shreds. Don't believe me? Just go to internet.com because it's everywhere.

By my count, there are exactly three good coaches in the NFL today. And in the WILDEST of coincidences, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers play for two of those coaches, and the new coach in Atlanta has a good QB, too.

Tomlin is getting dogpiled in Pittsburgh. Seattle fans are freaking out over their awful offense and are questioning Carroll. Pagano looks almost done with the imploding Colts. Chip Kelly is about to be hung in effigy, Lovie looks impotent in Tampa, Reid is about to get jellyrolled out of KC, Kubiak was publicly forced to abandon his offense and let Peyton take over, Tomsula is getting Republican treatment in San Francisco, Payton is getting skewered over the weapons traded away, McCoy has them restless in San Diego, Houston is quickly tiring of their foul-mouthed head coach, and Miami has already catapulted theirs to the scrap heap. The fans of the Jets, Bears, Raiders, Jags - you know the ones - are longtime professional coach haters.

Likewise, the Garrett bashers are out of hibernation and starting to puff out their man boobs once again. Never mind that 8 of his top 15 starters are out, including the best two players on the team, which happen to be the QB and star offensive weapon. Never mind that he just fought Ryan and Brees with the likes of Brandon Kyle Weeden, whom I'm pretty sure still sleeps with the light on.

This is what we do. Fans by nature are knee-jerking football simpletons who think their Madden playbook could go 15-1. They rarely even know the right questions, let alone the right answers.

Among my favorites:

1. "The playcalling sucks!" - This is the old tried-and-true. Don't need to know the difference between weak and strong side to make this bold claim. The truth is, all plays are designed to work, and they have worked, but they must be executed. It's also true that plays are called to AVOID bad things as much as achieve good things, especially when you're without key players or you have bad positional matchups. There is much to consider, things are constantly changing, and you have about 5 seconds to decide. If you have the right QB, any of 20 plays will do. If you have the wrong QB, it might be better to just punt.

2. "The coaches don't know how to make halftime adjustments" - There is no such thing as halftime adjustments. Teams have 12 whole minutes, and it takes 3 minutes to get everybody in the locker room and 3 more to get them back out. That leaves enough time to pee, get re-taped, and maybe go over an item with a positional coach. That's it. This isn't college where you get a lunch hour at halftime for the marching bands. Adjustments are discussed all game long, and they're made, but it still comes down to the QB and players at your disposal. Then it's up to them to make it happen.

3. "The time management was awful" - This one is often true, actually, but if you peruse the internet, all 32 coaches get berated for this constantly. Truth be told, they all make these mistakes quite often in the heat of a game with little time to think it through. But when you have Rodgers, Brady, or Romo - along with a representative cast around them - it often doesn't end up mattering in the end. If you don't, it goes nuclear and gets forensically analyzed for days. Rehashing the "should have dones" in time management is the most Monday Morning Quarterbacking thing to do.

4. "This coach doesn't fire up these guys" - That stuff mostly dies in high school, and what's left runs out in college. If a player needs to be fired up by a head coach, he won't likely see the light of day on a pro field unless he's a freak like Jadeveon Clowney. With few exceptions, only the highly self-motivated get to the pros, and then once they get a big contract, even they can lose their internal rah-rah.

5. "So and so isn't getting enough touches" - Coaches call a play, but it's the quarterback who decides whether or not to audible and who to throw the ball to. Running backs can't run if there's no space, and if there is, they have to actually find it and make something happen. Intent doesn't always result in reality when it comes to touches, regardless of a coach's gameplan.

I could literally list 100 more of these, and I FULLY admit that my emotions have led me to commit half of them. (I try to be good, but dag nabbit, they make ME SO FREAKING MAD SOMETIMES!!)

Coaches, first and foremost, establish a culture. They set expectations and provide a plan. They hold people accountable, and they walk that walk themselves. They relate to players and earn their trust, not in coddling but in in fairness and clarity. Combine that with the personnel department, which works with coaches to get the right mix of players, one of which had better be a upper tier quarterback.

Then, you throw in a tricky ball that bounces all sorts of funny ways, a completely unpredictable set of rules and referees, the biggest stage primetime TV offers, players that make five times the coach's salary, a magnifying media waiting with baited breath for a misstep of any nature, and a fan base of know-nothings that now have smart phones and limitless social media outlets.

It takes some thick skin, a lot of patience, a world of self belief, and perhaps a touch of arrogance to boot.

Coach that, Garrett haters.
 

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what is getting under my skin is posters saying "well you cant blame Garrett, hes missing half the team" Well how did that effect the 8-8 seasons? And how is it we can bash who they agree to bash? The thing with the Garrett backers is "theres no definitive list, you just have to take our word for it" Some teams could lose 1 or 2 players and be way less than average, yet some manage. If its based on talent, than you have to break down each team and who has what and lost what and when.

Losing to a winless Saints team is horrible considering we are at 50 percent cyclinders and still better than them.

Well, I don't disagree with much of that and I do understand your frustrations.

Any time people bash one player then give others (coaches) the benefit of the doubt it can, as you say, get under your skin. It is an inconsistency that can be difficult to justify.

First, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have to say that I am a Garrett supporter so you can either take my opinion with a grain of salt, or just ignore it if you wish (which works well for my wife).

I happen to be of the opinion that the injuries the team has suffered has truly hampered the team's ability to win. As most people agree, the absence of Romo is the main cause of the team's two game losing streak, and was the one injury that could seriously change the outcome of the season. With Weeden instead of Romo, just about every area of the team is negatively impacted.

What the team prepared to do all offseason and training camp has been put on hold while they try to get Weeden up to speed. The team drafted and brought in talent under the assumption that they could build the offense around Romo and Dez.

If you just look at the stats, Weeden hasn't been that bad but the time of possession isn't what it would be with Romo. So many times in the last two games, I thought to myself that the offense really needed to hold on to the ball to let the defense rest... only to see the offense and Weeden go three-and-out.

So, while the two losses were a result of defensive breakdowns, I put part of the blame on the offense and its inability to retain possession of the ball in both second halves. To be fair though, there were so many players missing from the defense in the two losses, that I can't really bring myself to put much blame on anyone, coaches and players included.

I will try to not make too long of a post here, so: No matter how I look at what has happened so far in this young NFL season, common sense just keeps pushing my thoughts back to the injuries. It is a huge, huge deal.

The team says next man up and they're not using the injuries as an excuse, which is how the team needs to look at it. That is good. However, just because the team isn't blaming the losses on the team being a M*A*S*H unit, it doesn't mean that all the missing players aren't crippling the team's chances to win games.

Common sense keeps pointing me in that direction. It is difficult to put into words everything we've seen over the last two games, but I can tell you that I have zero doubt that the team would be undefeated if Romo was playing. His ability to move the offense and to convert third downs would have been the difference. Even if Romo was the only guy from the injured that the team had back, I still think the team would probably be 4-0.

The upheaval on the team's starting lineup has changed everything up to this point. It is why everyone and their brother is saying that now the NFC East is up for grabs with no Romo and all the other injuries. It is a legit reason to narrowly lose two games to teams who had their pro bowl QB's.
 

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:laugh:

Nice post.

It's the same cast of characters usually. Most of the same characters came out after our Week 1 loss last season and predicted a 5-11 season.
 

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Again, their comeback came against a historically bad defense.

Where are you having trouble?

Wasn't Garrett the head coach that assembled that historically bad defense?

Or does Garrett get obsolved of personnel decisions as well now?

Just trying to figure out exactly what Garrett does or is responsible for since every issue that is brought up there is 100 post saying it's not his fault
 

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Wasn't Garrett the head coach that assembled that historically bad defense?

Or does Garrett get obsolved of personnel decisions as well now?

Just trying to figure out exactly what Garrett does or is responsible for since every issue that is brought up there is 100 post saying it's not his fault

Enlighten us how he assembled the 2013 defense. When did he become Chip Kelly?
 

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Phillips is like Switzer, riding the work of the previous guy and dragging it into the gutter over time.

Garrett is more like Landry or Jimmy (maybe) because he's building the roster through youth.

Yep, Garrett is just like Jimmy and Landry

Minus the SB rings, but who cares about little details like that
 

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Great Post **, i will take you opinion under consideration because you are a stand up fellow. So im not going to argue point for point, but your poitns are valid, and im not going to sit here and nit pick you. LEts just say ill agree with reservation and well talk when teh evidence appears. until than its speculation.
 

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Wasn't Garrett the head coach that assembled that historically bad defense?

Or does Garrett get obsolved of personnel decisions as well now?

Just trying to figure out exactly what Garrett does or is responsible for since every issue that is brought up there is 100 post saying it's not his fault

The historically bad defense came about because of injuries!

We lost Anthony Spencer, lost Jay Ratliff, Sean Lee went out for the year, Demarcus Ware missed 3 games and was hampered by injuries most of the season. This was all during a year that we transitioned from the 3-4 to 4-3.
 

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They are a well coached team with not much talent at all. Meanwhile we are a poorly coached team loaded with talent. Unfortunately we are riddled with injuries but also not coached or ran very well and still have somewhat of a losing culture here.

The Giants have a good run defense, their line has been relatively solid and reliable, they have been nearly turnover free this year; they are a good team. It's funny that you say they are well coached team, but would you have said that the past 3 seasons? I doubt this.

Fielding a team made up of practice squad players and second teamers while finding a way to stay in games would say the opposite that we are a poorly coached team.
 

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Enlighten us how he assembled the 2013 defense. When did he become Chip Kelly?

Well there are a 1000 posts saying Garrett is building the roster the "right" way, but you are saying he has nothing to do with assembling the roster.

So which is it?

Please enlighten us all
 

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The Giants have a good run defense, their line has been relatively solid and reliable, they have been nearly turnover free this year; they are a good team. It's funny that you say they are well coached team, but would you have said that the past 3 seasons? I doubt this.

Fielding a team made up of practice squad players and second teamers while finding a way to stay in games would say the opposite that we are a poorly coached team.

yes, Coughlin has seen the SB. Twice. (hey if it works for QB debates, until you bring up Marino) But I can defintely say Coughlin can out coach Garrett most times. Now if the team can bully his team, its harder, Coughlin has his faults, but by no way does he seem like hes learning the job liek Garrett does.
 

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I know injuries happen that's not what I'm arguing. How many times does a team lose their ALL PRO QB and WR and still be able to hold the fort down? It just doesn't happen.

Escuses are the last resort of a limited thesis. But for U.S. Americans, yes. And therefore such as, yes.
 

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Well there are a 1000 posts saying Garrett is building the roster the "right" way, but you are saying he has nothing to do with assembling the roster.

So which is it?

Please enlighten us all

I've never said that. I'm sure Garrett has some degree of input, but ultimately it's the Jones' and Will McClay who have assembled this roster.
 

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It would be unfair to judge any coach with the number of injuries that this team is trying to get through. There is no need in discussing this topic anymore until everybody is healthy. I have watched many mistakes made by this coaching staff over the last few years and I would be one of the first to point out their errors under different circumstances.

The fact is the track record is still there.. 12-4 last year was great so while all is good there is no need to dwell on mistakes as much. The injuries are not the coaches fault and its right to not hold that against them. However, they still have to coach and do their jobs and if they make mistakes its fair to point them out IMO.

For instance, this team under Garrett, for years, has had a tendency to commit dumb penalties. Thats not an injury issue.

Play calling. The Garrett Apologists ALWAYS have "reasons" why play calling isnt really an issue. Others might question why we seem to run on every first down rather than mixing it up a lil to keep the defense honest.

So, IMO, just because we have had so many injuries doesnt excuse legit criticism.
 

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Wasn't Garrett the head coach that assembled that historically bad defense?

Or does Garrett get obsolved of personnel decisions as well now?

Just trying to figure out exactly what Garrett does or is responsible for since every issue that is brought up there is 100 post saying it's not his fault

Garrett is only credited with good. Anything bad is never his fault and actually its usually an amazing thing that he can do so well with the poor hand he's been dealt.
 
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