The Jared Gaither Thread **Merged**

[Manwiththeplan]

My mom used to drive a ******** man who lived in our neighborhood to church on Sundays. Every week, he'd tell me about how he was saving money from his job bagging groceries to 'buy a lion.' He had it all planned out. He wasn't going to have it in a cage because he was going to train it, and he was going to feed is spoiled vegetables that he got at work. For about a month I argued with him that it was a bad idea because lions were dangerous and didn't eat vegetables and because I was pretty sure you'd need a license for one. He never agreed with me, but to the best of my knowledge, he never got the lion, either.

Slate's not going to get a lion, but I don't think you're ever going to convince him of that. You're better of telling him 'that's nice' and asking him what he's going to name it. My guess is that he's planning to call it 'Jared.'

too funny to be true

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

not sure about that, you have stats to back up the penalties and sacks beacsue 2 years ago he was tied 3rd in the league giving up only 1.5 sacks in 15 games started?

I am actually torrenting the Ravens regular season and am going to watch it. I am going to refrain from commenting more until I have as most of my info is second had.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/?p=3141

Heres an article detailing a hold and a false start on the same drive while pointing out he was injured yet again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:damn:

You may not care but i would like to point out that verb tense is taught in 3rd grade and you are trying to insult MY intelligence. Irony is actually taught to older children so I am not going to push my luck by talking about that.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

because Gaither is 24 has started at LT for the Ravens for the last two years and in that time has been twice as good as Flozell.

We will not get a LT at #27 as good as Gaither. Lupiti(sp) will not be an NFL LT.

Free has not proven he can play LT. Gaither has.

Wishlist
#27 - Draft Pounchy
Trade 2nd for Gaither

O-line in 2011:

LT - Gaither
LG - Brewster
C- Pouncy
RG - Davis
RT - Free

all starters are under 27 except Davis and we can pick a guard in the 2011 draft to replace him in 2012.

facepalm, why are we getting rid of gurode?

 

[NeonNinja]

Hes not a top 10 OT. He gets flagged too much allows too many sacks and is hurt all the time.

Sorry I am not giving $10 mil and a first rounder for a guy that is good for missing 3+ games every year. He was even hurt for his proday and missed time in college. As he gets older then this will get worse.

I also believe this is in part due to the fact he keeps himself poorly conditioned and strikes me as the type of player that will cash in and pull a Hamlin.

He was rated the 11th best tackle in 2008, 6th in 2009. He played all 16 games in 2008 so he's not "good for missing 3+games every year". He gave up only 2 sacks in 2008 and 2009 he gave up 4 sacks and only 6 Qb pressures. I consider Clady to be one of the best LT and he gave up 8 sacks and 22 Qb Pr so Gaither has played at a pretty high level and is young and improving imo.

 

[CATCH17]

Questioning Gaithers ability because Baltimore doesn't want to keep him is like questioning Dallas if they didn't want to pay Tashard Choice starter money.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's was rated the 11th best tackle in 2008, 6th in 2009. He played all 16 games in 2008 so he's not "good for missing 3+games every year". He gave up only 2 sacks in 2008 and 2009 he gave up 4 sacks and only 6 Qb pressures. I consider Clady to be one of the best LT and he gave up 8 sacks and 22 Qb Pr so Gaither has played at a pretty high level and is young and improving imo.

Explain to me how profootballfocus comes up with their tackle rankings. Until you do stop quoting them. They also say that Free only gave up one sack all year.

He only started 15 games in 2008 and was injured throught the season with shoulder and ankle problems.

He was injured a lot at UM as well.

Profootball reference gave Gaither an AV of 7 compared to Flozell Adams 9. Higher is better.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Questioning Gaithers ability because Baltimore doesn't want to keep him is like questioning Dallas if they didn't want to pay Tashard Choice starter money.

No its not. You would have a point if they were for example putting Choice on the block but not for this piss poor analogy.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Questioning Gaithers ability because Baltimore doesn't want to keep him is like questioning Dallas if they didn't want to pay Tashard Choice starter money.

Or it is like the cowboys using a high first round pick to replace a player they just used a Supplemental pick on a couple years prior. One would have to use logic and say that if they took a high end pick to choose a player it must mean they think the current starter needs to be replaced because he is not doing as good as they would like (whether it be due to performance, attitude, work ethic or other issues).

No matter how you frame it...there has to be a reason they would use a high first round draft pick at the same position.

Now if he is as great or good as some claim...why would they use a high end draft pick to replace him?

If they ONLY want to get rid of him because he wants to play LT and get LT money...they could just keep Oher at RT and pay the guy.

I don't think gaither is a bust. But at the same time it does worry me that they were so willing to use a High End draft pick to replace the guy so quickly and are also looking to trade him.

If he is as good as some on here think, they would not trade him and they sure in the heck would not have drafted Oher to replace him at OT...They would have used a lower round draft pick to get a RT and kept him at LT.

Just something to consider.

 

[unionjack8]

I am actually torrenting the Ravens regular season and am going to watch it. I am going to refrain from commenting more until I have as most of my info is second had.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/?p=3141

Heres an article detailing a hold and a false start on the same drive while pointing out he was injured yet again.

I've just been through the box scores from nfl.com and he had 4 holding, 2 false starts and an illegal formation which is usually a wr not lining up correct.

So 6 penalties in 16 weeks, thats not bad if you ask me to say he went up against, James harrison twice, Dwight Freeney, Shawne Merriman, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumerville & Clay Matthews, all of whom are maybe top 10 NFL pass rushers.

 

[unionjack8]

Or it is like the cowboys using a high first round pick to replace a player they just used a Supplemental pick on a couple years prior. One would have to use logic and say that if they took a high end pick to choose a player it must mean they think the current starter needs to be replaced because he is not doing as good as they would like (whether it be due to performance, attitude, work ethic or other issues).

No matter how you frame it...there has to be a reason they would use a high first round draft pick at the same position.

Now if he is as great or good as some claim...why would they use a high end draft pick to replace him?

If they ONLY want to get rid of him because he wants to play LT and get LT money...they could just keep Oher at RT and pay the guy.

I don't think gaither is a bust. But at the same time it does worry me that they were so willing to use a High End draft pick to replace the guy so quickly and are also looking to trade him.

If he is as good as some on here think, they would not trade him and they sure in the heck would not have drafted Oher to replace him at OT...They would have used a lower round draft pick to get a RT and kept him at LT.

Just something to consider.

its called selecting Best Player Available. Baltimore are well known for using that process in the draft. They had one good tackle(Gaither) and wanted another. Dont read too much into it. If only we'd done it years ago, we wouldnt be in this mess now.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I've just been through the box scores from nfl.com and he had 4 holding, 2 false starts and an illegal formation which is usually a wr not lining up correct.

So 6 penalties in 16 weeks, thats not bad if you ask me to say he went up against, James harrison twice, Dwight Freeney, Shawne Merriman, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumerville & Clay Matthews, all of whom are maybe top 10 NFL pass rushers.

He didn't go up against Jared Allen, Oher did. (Yes Fuzzy I am doing the writeup, just got back from the client site) Oher gave up 1 sack to Allen and a replay challenge wiped out another Allen sack that led to a fumble returned for a TD.

 

[unionjack8]

i could have sworn Allen lines up against the LT, unless thats the game Gaither missed. Oh and BTW Oher had 10 penalties this year that were enforced.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've just been through the box scores from nfl.com and he had 4 holding, 2 false starts and an illegal formation which is usually a wr not lining up correct.

So 6 penalties in 16 weeks, thats not bad if you ask me to say he went up against, James harrison twice, Dwight Freeney, Shawne Merriman, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumerville & Clay Matthews, all of whom are maybe top 10 NFL pass rushers.

Just as a point of reference, profootballfocus has him down for more than that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'll quote whatever the hell I want.

So you'll quote something that you have no idea what it means or comes from. Thats nice.

 

[NeonNinja]

Just as a point of reference, profootballfocus has him down for more than that.

Don't quote it unless you explain how it works.

 

[unionjack8]

Just as a point of reference, profootballfocus has him down for more than that.

well i've never heard of profootballfocus so i'll take the nfl official website as truth for this.

 

[casmith07]

It's actually going to be very difficult to compare. If you rely on objectivity for statistics and simply go ONLY by penalty yards or sacks allowed, how do you want to capture QB pressures allowed, QB hits allowed, blocks missed, blown assignments, etc.

You'll also have to take into account how many times the QB is blitzed...I doubt teams are blitzing Joe "Bus Driver" Flacco as often as they're blitzing a playmaker in Romo. Flacco won't pick you apart if you let him - Romo will, hence being one of the most blitzed QBs in the league.

I think we should just all agree that we're better off sticking with what we've got and building through the draft than attempting to play a Dan Snyder and win the free agency super bowl this off-season.

edit: not taking any sides here either, but profootballfocus.com is a wealth of statistical data. It's crazy how much the Eagles blitz Romo.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't quote it unless you explain how it works.

Someones mad and worthless.

My point is that you guys are quoting pff but their stats did not jive with the box scores from NFL.com. Makes the use of them specious at best.

 

[NeonNinja]

Explain to me how profootballfocus comes up with their tackle rankings. Until you do stop quoting them. They also say that Free only gave up one sack all year.

He only started 15 games in 2008 and was injured throught the season with shoulder and ankle problems.

He was injured a lot at UM as well.

Profootball reference gave Gaither an AV of 7 compared to Flozell Adams 9. Higher is better.

If I wanted to know how they got their stats or formula they used then I would contact them and ask. If you want to know than contact them, what difference does it make if I want to quote them? So, i'm worthless because I look at a different stat site than you? That's fine that you don't like that stat site but it's ridiculous to call someone worthless if they do.