The Jason Garrett Play Calling Thread *Merged*

[CF74]

What's so frustrating to me is that either Wade refuses to say anything to Garrett about emphasizing the run or Garrett simply doesn't listen. Wade has said on several occasions during his pressers how we have to run the ball more, how we have to get Choice more involved (in our regular running game because those comments came after Choice was running the ball out of regular formations in KC) and then come game time, nada.

Further, as a DC, I'm sure he is keenly aware of TOP and how that would help his D.

As crazy as this sounds I honestly believe Wade could fix this offense if he would just put on his big boy pants and take over. All we need are a few old school basic run plays to turn this ship around along with some shorter pass routes... Yeah Garrett is that pathetic.

Wade>Garrett

 

[Gadfly22]

My thoughts exactly!!

I have to add an "Amen" to this. The predictability of JG going to the pass whenever the Cowboys run game has any kind of hiccup is part of the problem with his play-calling.

 

[Idgit]

Oh I will happily blame him. That call on the 1 was absurd. He should know by now that when Romo is having a bit of an off day you don't go letting him throw it around gun slinga style near the endzone. You have three superb backs and a pretty solid FB or TE to do some significant run blocking. That should not have even been a question. Get behind Flo/Davis and run that thing down their throats.

The play call from the one was definitely a bad call. I agree. It stunned me, because I was sure we were going to patiently put the ball in the endzone with Barber. When we went pass, it took me a second to figure out what was happening, and why.

 

[CF74]

I want the Cowboys to run the ball just as much as anyone else, but I don't think we can exactly hang not running the ball on Garrett this time. The down and distances we were facing due to taking sacks actually negated our ability to run. This comes from Rafael Vela at http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/15/1158839/drowning-in-a-vat-of-whey-packers#storyjump

First Half

Series one -- two rushes, 20 yards; It's working
Series two -- three rushes, 8 yards; Still working
Series three -- one 1st down rush for 2 yards. Romo sacked on 2nd, taking the run option away on 3rd;
Series four -- two rushes for 3 yards. Choice is two feet short on a 3rd-and-4 draw; There's that stupid draw again but it almost worked.

Series five -- no rushes; Roy Williams fumbles on drive's only play;
Series six -- Romo is sacked on 1st down, putting Dallas in 2nd and long. No rushes; Passing on 1st sometimes is very stupid when you have our stable.

Second Half

Series one - Barber rushes on 1st for no gain. Romo sacked on 2nd down;
Series two -- Choice runs once for 11 yards; Williams and Witten bungle the drive on subsequent plays. (see above); Hello!!!
Series three -- Felix Jones rushes on 1st down for 4 yards. Romo sacked on next play and fumbles; Keep it going, not..
Series four -- Dallas takes the field here down 17-0 with 10:44 left and doesn't call another run.

Abandon ship!!!

 

[CF74]

How dumb our our fans, blaming the OC for the lack of offensive production today? Seriously?

Says the guy with Zorn in his avy

 

[Idgit]

Says the guy with Zorn in his avy

??? I would think appreciation for Jim Zorn would be something all Cowboys fans could get behind. If you're not Zorny, my Blue and Silver friend, you're too old.

 

[VietCowboy]

What some people who post why we didn't run more b/c of this and that...well, if the run isn't working, Garrett pretty much abandons it. When the pass isn't working (aka, 5 sacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), he continues to pass...and pass...and pass......This isn't the first game. It is unfathomable to be 1st and Goal at the 4 yard line, and you PASS on ALL 3 downs (AND FAIL TO GET THE TD). RIDICULOUS. And now, this drive was not in yesterday's game, but I am using it as an example of the utter frustration I have that we continue to pass, then fail to convert, and then use that excuse to say we had to pass on third and long. I firmly believe if we were to run more often on first and second down, that it wouldn't be so bad.

 

[CF74]

*** are you going on about with the donation thing? What a strange non-sequitur.

If by 'putting them in a position to succeed' you mean trying to exploit the blitz by throwing into it, then I get where you're coming from. Something tells me that's not where you're coming from, though.

Either way, it's not Garrett's fault that multiple linebackers where getting through on whiffed blocks or that OTs were letting CBs come in scott-free from the QB's blindside. Or that WRs were missing conversions on their routes, going into motion for no good reason, whiffing on balls that bounce of helmets or mis-timing jumps when wide open inside the 5 yard line.

A simple pitch to the outside with Felix would have negated half the pressure we got up the middle on Dre, or specifically a pitch to the right would have relieved the pressure Flo was giving up...

 

[Idgit]

A simple pitch to the outside with Felix would have negated half the pressure we got up the middle on Dre, or specifically a pitch to the right would have relieved the pressure Flo was giving up...

I was surprised we didn't see any pitchouts. But it's hard to run outside on a 3-4. Especially pitching to a back with an injured knee running behind a backup OT.

Our passing game should have been working, though, and wasn't because we weren't executing our pickups properly.

 

[Rampage]

I was surprised we didn't see any pitchouts. But it's hard to run outside on a 3-4. Especially pitching to a back with an injured knee running behind a backup OT.

Our passing game should have been working, though, and wasn't because we weren't executing our pickups properly.

add to the fact they knew we were passing 90% of the time.

 

[CF74]

The Cowboys defense lost a fumble recovery deep in Packers' territory due to a hands-to-the-face penality on Jenkins (which happened away from the action).

And, of course, Roy Williams fumbled.

If those two things don't happen (and maybe if only one of them happens), the Cowboys win this game.

I don't think this loss is on Garrett.

Wow you missed the worst fumble to excuse this loss on Garrett. How bout the non-fumble on Felix that gave GB a short field and they got 6? If you are going to use excuses at least pick the best one...

 

[EPL0c0]

Oh I will happily blame him. That call on the 1 was absurd. He should know by now that when Romo is having a bit of an off day you don't go letting him throw it around gun slinga style near the endzone. You have three superb backs and a pretty solid FB or TE to do some significant run blocking. That should not have even been a question. Get behind Flo/Davis and run that thing down their throats.

How ironic is it that our lack of consistency is based on our O coordinator consistently making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Y'know what's a bit odd. Dallas had a total of 11 rushes. 2 in the 2nd half. Yup, just 2 rushes. That's 9 rushes by the RBs in the first half with the score mostly 0-0. Even with the game just 0-3, Dallas only had 1 rush (that i found on the play-by-play) in the 3rd QTR.

IMO, Garrett definitely abandoned the run entirely too early in this game. It seemed that when Green Bay came w/ heavy pressure, he decided he was going to just pass the ball and that that'd work. Ok fine, but by halftime, with the game only 3-0, why not change that strategy? It wasn't working at that point... no, he stuck w/ it.

 

[nalam]

Yep. Exactly. Garrett did make a couple of questionable calls today, especially in the red zone. But there's no getting around how poorly our interior line play and blitz pickups were today. Had we played that poorly last week, we'd have been absolutely killed in Philly.

With > 6 min left if we can't run from 1 yard line in the 1st down ! Sigh ! We lost the game becuase of impatientce and poor execution !

Just to compare, the colts final drive to win the game , see the notes below

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The miss gave Manning 1 minute, 57 seconds and all three timeouts—an eternity for the three-time MVP—and he went right to work.
Manning hooked up with Wayne for 14 yards. He let Joseph Addai carry the ball for 13 yards, down to the Patriots 1. He sent Addai inside again on first-and-goal, the same play Addai scored on to win the 2006 AFC Championship game, but he got nothing. So Manning went back to Wayne in the end for the win.
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If it was Garrett there wont be a single run , everything will be a pass and many of them shotgun.

 

[Idgit]

Y'know what's a bit odd. Dallas had a total of 11 rushes. 2 in the 2nd half. Yup, just 2 rushes. That's 9 rushes by the RBs in the first half with the score mostly 0-0. Even with the game just 0-3, Dallas only had 1 rush (that i found on the play-by-play) in the 3rd QTR.

IMO, Garrett definitely abandoned the run entirely too early in this game. It seemed that when Green Bay came w/ heavy pressure, he decided he was going to just pass the ball and that that'd work. Ok fine, but by halftime, with the game only 3-0, why not change that strategy? It wasn't working at that point... no, he stuck w/ it.

Did you read ethiostar's post earlier in the thread? Its a pretty good explanation of what happened to the running game and why.

 

[CF74]

I didnt see much wrong with the playcalling yesterday. The run blocking was non existant after the first series,

You don't see much of anything David. And the non-existent run blocking went hand in hand with the non-existent run. Gee no run blocking cause the run was not being called???


Clueless!!! Both you and Garrett...:yousuck: :stop: :splat: :nono:

 

[ZonedOut]

Jason Garrett's problem is that he is incapable of adjusting to what the defense is giving him

Amen!!

 

[thewireman]

Didn't Ray Lewis say after the game last year, that the offense was very predictable and knew what the Cowboys were going to do. If that doesn't cry offensive genius I don't know what does.

 

[Gaede]

Off the top of my head, I think Romo's been sacked and fumbled three times (Denver game, Seahawk game, this one) from that same blind side corner blitz after the offense goes to shotgun formation. Teams know that once we go to shotgun--80% of the time it will be a pass...So all they have to do is throw an extra blitzer and they'll make a big play...And if it's not a pass, it'll be a draw up the middle which can be stopped for minimal gain. (the draw hasn't fooled anybody since the Giants game; why keep doing it?)

It seems to happen more and more frequently; in key situations, the cowboys go shotgun, the D brings a blitz and they get a sack & fumble. Garrett calls these formations, regardless of what the D has been doing or is known to do, and we get beat up and lose because of it. It shows me that a) Garrett refuses to change what he likes to do b) does not care in the slightest when his formations are exposed c) will continue to call them regardless of previous outcomes. He must be either EXTREMELY stubborn or EXTREMELY egotistical or EXTREMELY stupid. Try the same thing again and again and again, and if you get beat, try it again.

 

[CF74]

"Idgit" is right: you cant do ANYTHING when the oline plays like it did yesterday: NOTHING AT ALL. Then every expert on here says Red sucks. Maybe he does a little ,but the line was beyond pathetic. Looked just like last year vs. Pitt/Bmore/Philly/etc....expect the forskins to have the same game plan next week.

Uh you can't pass 47 times in a game when the O-line is not protecting your qb either...

 

[Rampage]

Uh you can't pass 47 times in a game when the O-line is not protecting your qb either...

why is it so hard for some people to understand that?