The next guy who blames T.O

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The defenders of tO act like that everything there is to know about what has gone on in the lockerroom with him is what we know as public information.

Can't we understand that there is a TON of behind the scenes information that the media nd others know that is "off the record" that they can't go public with, but that information contributes to this universal condemnation of TO by every one who knows anything about building a team atmosphere.

I'm not ragging on TO, because i doubt he's totally to blame, but I do believe there is a TON of stuff out there that's being discussed about the polarization he has brought to this team that we know nothing about.

Is it a coincidence that the team chemistry blows up the very season Jerry commited so much to him financially and basically took him off "contractual probation"?

I don't have the answers but there is something seriously wrong with the lockerrom of this team and MAJOR changes must be made or we will see this same stuff early and often next season.
 

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Double Trouble;2539655 said:
Given the choice, I'd wager most new coaches would want TO gone. As talented as he is, no coach wants that challenge to his authority in the lockerroom. Like it or not, that's exactly what TO does.

Speaking of challenges to authority, I'd like to see what Jimmy, Parcells, Cowher or any real coach would've done if Romo waved them off when they were sending the punt team on.

And before anyone mentions Manning, Romo isn't Manning and I'd venture to say Manning is given a greenlight to make plenty of calls on his own on the field.
 

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lewpac;2539024 said:
I'm really going to go OFF and let him have it.
Laced throughout this forum, you can't escape it.
It's the easy target, chicken-crap, no courage, no thinking, scapegoat thing to say.
"Oh, Dallas didn't live up to expectations? Get rid of T.O."
"Oh, the slightest thing wrong? Get rid of T.O."
"Traffic light out in Fort Worth? Get rid of T.O."
"Hurricane passes through Texas? Get rid of T.O."

It's what all the idiot pundits and T.V. talking heads resort to anytime there's a hangnail or nose bleed in Dallas. "Get rid of T.O." The same yappers who so many of you despise for their anti-Dallas sentiments. It takes NO courage to "blame T.O.", because it's safe and you know that nobody will challenge you. It's like telling jokes about white, Christian males, because you know that no one will challenge you on it because it's the "in vogue" and acceptable thing to do.

The only sin T.O. has committed in Dallas is maybe, only because he wants to win so much, that he airs out his thinking in public. But even THAT has been minimal. His reputation precedes him, so he's got to bear the brunt of that. Even though he was right about everything he said in Philly, his way of going about it ruffled alot of feathers.
He's never committed a crime. Never been suspended (by the league) for anything. Stays in maximum shape year round. And wants to win so badly that maybe his mouth runs before his brain realizes it's moving.
If this team had another 40 T.O.'s on it, we wouldn't be in this position.
This team has three major problems, and T.O. isn't one of them.
Jerry Jones meddling and domineering.
Bad and uninspired coaching (see "Jerry's meddling above) resulting in undisciplined and stupid play.
And finally, Romo needs to be "Holmgrenized".

That's it. Three things. T.O. is NOT the problem in Dallas, and I'm sick of hearing it.

How ironic is it that a message boarder acts just like T.O. in defending him by trying to 'flex his muscles' with a verbal bashing.

Get rid of T.O. and Lewpac.

They are both useless.
 

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Idgit;2539545 said:
I wonder what would happen to fan perception if the team requested (and TO complied) that he just not talk to the media at all next year? Statements issued through the PR department, and informal settings like Inside the Huddle only, but nothing before or after games or for coverage by ESPN or NFLN.

He would rather retire.

He doesn't like TV cameras and Microphones...

He LOVES them!!!
 

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Joe Rod;2539654 said:
You saved yourself some time, I can't remember the post but the "payoff" was pretty weak. He promised TNT and then danced around with a sparkler as the payoff.
Oooh pretty.
 

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lewpac;2539024 said:
I'm really going to go OFF and let him have it.
Laced throughout this forum, you can't escape it.
It's the easy target, chicken-crap, no courage, no thinking, scapegoat thing to say.
"Oh, Dallas didn't live up to expectations? Get rid of T.O."
"Oh, the slightest thing wrong? Get rid of T.O."
"Traffic light out in Fort Worth? Get rid of T.O."
"Hurricane passes through Texas? Get rid of T.O."

It's what all the idiot pundits and T.V. talking heads resort to anytime there's a hangnail or nose bleed in Dallas. "Get rid of T.O." The same yappers who so many of you despise for their anti-Dallas sentiments. It takes NO courage to "blame T.O.", because it's safe and you know that nobody will challenge you. It's like telling jokes about white, Christian males, because you know that no one will challenge you on it because it's the "in vogue" and acceptable thing to do.

The only sin T.O. has committed in Dallas is maybe, only because he wants to win so much, that he airs out his thinking in public. But even THAT has been minimal. His reputation precedes him, so he's got to bear the brunt of that. Even though he was right about everything he said in Philly, his way of going about it ruffled alot of feathers.
He's never committed a crime. Never been suspended (by the league) for anything. Stays in maximum shape year round. And wants to win so badly that maybe his mouth runs before his brain realizes it's moving.
If this team had another 40 T.O.'s on it, we wouldn't be in this position.
This team has three major problems, and T.O. isn't one of them.
Jerry Jones meddling and domineering.
Bad and uninspired coaching (see "Jerry's meddling above) resulting in undisciplined and stupid play.
And finally, Romo needs to be "Holmgrenized".

That's it. Three things. T.O. is NOT the problem in Dallas, and I'm sick of hearing it.




I am so tired of people defending Owens. The man has talent and is a marvel of a physical specimen, but he is childish, selfish, and immature. I can observe Romo force feeding him the ball when he should throw it to someone else. If he doesn't, TO will complain and mope all game long. I have seen TO pack it when he doesn't get the ball. TO is not the reason Dallas lost, but he is a big reason. His attitude is infectious and rubs off on his teammates. He is undesciplined and not a leader by example.


Now before anyone calls me out and states what team have you played for, I will say now none. However, as a former combat medic, I have seen first hand how someone like TO breaks cohesion and his bad for the squad or platoon. I had to go under alot more stressful situations in Iraq than they did on their playoff game, and if I would have given a half ***** effort like they did some men might not have gone home to their families. Guard duty for 12 hours at night requires alot of descipline. Patrol with the infantry requires alot of mental toughness. Getting shot at and maintaining military descipline requires mental toughness. I am tired of watching such a talented team fall apart at the seems because of a lack of descipline and mental toughness. No TO is not the sole reason they lost, but cutting him would force this team to open their eyes and would put alot of other underperformers on notice. By sending TO and PacMan to other teams, this team would say we will not tolerate me first players, crybabies, thugs, or people who do not give their best.
 

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Owens is our only big play guy, I'd rather a guy that demands double coverage (must be doing something right) - that wants to WIN. Everyone else is getting philisophical about it, the problem is that no one works and wants to win as much as Terrell Owens.

Like it or not, he's a great great player - and we would not be where we are today without him. The numbers don't lie, when he gets the ball consistently - we win ballgames. When we stopped protecting, and finding ways to get him the ball deep down the field - suddenly our offense looked anemic.
 

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Get rid of Tank if you will, but not TO.

I'd hate to see this team's passing game without him. If we have to rely on Crayton and Roy, we're in BIG trouble.
 

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lewpac;2539024 said:
I'm really going to go OFF and let him have it.
Laced throughout this forum, you can't escape it.
It's the easy target, chicken-crap, no courage, no thinking, scapegoat thing to say.
"Oh, Dallas didn't live up to expectations? Get rid of T.O."
"Oh, the slightest thing wrong? Get rid of T.O."
"Traffic light out in Fort Worth? Get rid of T.O."
"Hurricane passes through Texas? Get rid of T.O."

It's what all the idiot pundits and T.V. talking heads resort to anytime there's a hangnail or nose bleed in Dallas. "Get rid of T.O." The same yappers who so many of you despise for their anti-Dallas sentiments. It takes NO courage to "blame T.O.", because it's safe and you know that nobody will challenge you. It's like telling jokes about white, Christian males, because you know that no one will challenge you on it because it's the "in vogue" and acceptable thing to do.

The only sin T.O. has committed in Dallas is maybe, only because he wants to win so much, that he airs out his thinking in public. But even THAT has been minimal. His reputation precedes him, so he's got to bear the brunt of that. Even though he was right about everything he said in Philly, his way of going about it ruffled alot of feathers.
He's never committed a crime. Never been suspended (by the league) for anything. Stays in maximum shape year round. And wants to win so badly that maybe his mouth runs before his brain realizes it's moving.
If this team had another 40 T.O.'s on it, we wouldn't be in this position.
This team has three major problems, and T.O. isn't one of them.
Jerry Jones meddling and domineering.
Bad and uninspired coaching (see "Jerry's meddling above) resulting in undisciplined and stupid play.
And finally, Romo needs to be "Holmgrenized".

That's it. Three things. T.O. is NOT the problem in Dallas, and I'm sick of hearing it.


couldnt care less what youre sick of. I think he is as much to blame as anyone, Its never a one-person situation but he is up there at the top of the list. So let's hear it, go OFF now
 

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wayne motley;2539952 said:
Get rid of Tank if you will, but not TO.

I'd hate to see this team's passing game without him. If we have to rely on Crayton and Roy, we're in BIG trouble.

So Baltimore, Miami, San Diego, Philadelphia and Tennessee can get into the playoffs without an elite receiver anywhere close to T.O.'s caliber, and Dallas can't? :huh:

Stop and let that ruminate for a second.

The "most talented team in the league" will be in BIG trouble if we don't have T.O., but other less-talented teams can make the postseason without a T.O.
 

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tyke1doe;2540026 said:
So Baltimore, Miami, San Diego, Philadelphia and Tennessee can get into the playoffs without an elite receiver anywhere close to T.O.'s caliber, and Dallas can't? :huh:

Stop and let that ruminate for a second.

The "most talented team in the league" will be in BIG trouble if we don't have T.O., but other less-talented teams can make the postseason without a T.O.

Strong defense with good running games go a long way. Let's see how they do in the playoffs.....
 

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Real1st;2539053 said:
Jerry said himself he loves the attention..

Jerry is more concerned with selling the cowboys brand.

Not winning games.


Bingo!
 

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dcfanatic;2539796 said:
He would rather retire.

He doesn't like TV cameras and Microphones...

He LOVES them!!!

They're like crack for him.

BTW, I guess I'm in line for lewpac "going off" on me. I'm quaking in my cyber-boots.
 

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tyke1doe;2540026 said:
So Baltimore, Miami, San Diego, Philadelphia and Tennessee can get into the playoffs without an elite receiver anywhere close to T.O.'s caliber, and Dallas can't? :huh:

Stop and let that ruminate for a second.

The "most talented team in the league" will be in BIG trouble if we don't have T.O., but other less-talented teams can make the postseason without a T.O.

It has nothing to do with what other teams did...look at our offense. Oue offense never accomplished anything that didn't go through Witten and TO. The other guys have never done anything, even when we needed them.

You can blame that on the system or coaching, but you can't blame that on TO. Our offense is what it is...the same system that went to hell after Irvin was lost. Some systems depend on top receivers...that's been the history of this one.
 

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I guess TO being on a team last year that made the playoffs doesn't count.

Oh brother, more of the baseless argument of one person versus a team. One player can't help a team, but it can surely bring it down. Uh, huh, or so the shameless people in the media tell me. :rolleyes:
 

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lewpac;2539024 said:
I'm really going to go OFF and let him have it.
Laced throughout this forum, you can't escape it.
It's the easy target, chicken-crap, no courage, no thinking, scapegoat thing to say.
"Oh, Dallas didn't live up to expectations? Get rid of T.O."
"Oh, the slightest thing wrong? Get rid of T.O."
"Traffic light out in Fort Worth? Get rid of T.O."
"Hurricane passes through Texas? Get rid of T.O."

It's what all the idiot pundits and T.V. talking heads resort to anytime there's a hangnail or nose bleed in Dallas. "Get rid of T.O." The same yappers who so many of you despise for their anti-Dallas sentiments. It takes NO courage to "blame T.O.", because it's safe and you know that nobody will challenge you. It's like telling jokes about white, Christian males, because you know that no one will challenge you on it because it's the "in vogue" and acceptable thing to do.

The only sin T.O. has committed in Dallas is maybe, only because he wants to win so much, that he airs out his thinking in public. But even THAT has been minimal. His reputation precedes him, so he's got to bear the brunt of that. Even though he was right about everything he said in Philly, his way of going about it ruffled alot of feathers.
He's never committed a crime. Never been suspended (by the league) for anything. Stays in maximum shape year round. And wants to win so badly that maybe his mouth runs before his brain realizes it's moving.
If this team had another 40 T.O.'s on it, we wouldn't be in this position.
This team has three major problems, and T.O. isn't one of them.
Jerry Jones meddling and domineering.
Bad and uninspired coaching (see "Jerry's meddling above) resulting in undisciplined and stupid play.
And finally, Romo needs to be "Holmgrenized".

That's it. Three things. T.O. is NOT the problem in Dallas, and I'm sick of hearing it.


Yah I agree you guys need to shut up with the TO stuff..

yah TO stepped on marion barbers pinky and sidelined him
Yah TO called all the offensive plays so blame him not Garrett
It was really TO coaching the team not Wade...
TO even coached Special Teams did you know that?
and the best one yet, did you know TO plays on defense too?

So shut up already about TO, he is far from our problems, if
ROMO would of been effective this year, TO would of had a great
year like last year...our problems are far from TO, very Far.
 

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tyke1doe;2540026 said:
So Baltimore, Miami, San Diego, Philadelphia and Tennessee can get into the playoffs without an elite receiver anywhere close to T.O.'s caliber, and Dallas can't? :huh:

Stop and let that ruminate for a second.

The "most talented team in the league" will be in BIG trouble if we don't have T.O., but other less-talented teams can make the postseason without a T.O.

QFT

The guy is still a good player and a playmaker but the Dallas Cowboys would be just fine with or without Terrell Owens and to believe otherwise is just plain foolish.

The main reason most bought into bringing Roy Williams aboard is that he could eventually replace Terrell Owens.

I would love to see Miles Austin get alot more playing time and that is never going to happen with Terrell Owens and Roy Williams on this team.
 

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Hostile;2539117 said:
If we sent him packing and became a run oriented team with Austin as the #2 guy and Martellus Bennett getting more action in 2 TE sets with Witten I wouldn't hate it at all. Save the cap money.

If we keep him, I won't hate it either. I'm not the guy's biggest fan, but he wants to win and he's talented.

This is pretty much my feeling. Although I am a fan of the guy. I do admit I didn't care much for him before he came here but that had more to do with him playing for two franchises that I hate.

I'm on that boat of if he's here I'm cool with it cause I enjoy watching him play and make plays. If he's gone I'm cool with it cause it's possible not having his big time personality here would help Romo and this offense gell better. I don't know that, for any fact, but I'm willing to admit that it's possible.

And anything that gets the ball in the hands of Austin or Bennett more is an A+ plan with me. Those two are playmakers as well.


Rampage;2539139 said:
just so you don't get too defensive(i know you t.o. fanboys get real upset) like i said i want his buddies tank and pacman gone too. now on to Owens

#1 he talks too much whether it's negative or positive

#2 he threw his qbs under the bus with his "i can't throw it and catch it myself" comment publicly

#3 he threw his coaches(oc) under the bus publicly

#4 he drops too many passes for a "#1 wr"

#5 he has stunted Romo's growth as a qb and our team with us trying to force the ball to him due to reason #6

#6 he complains about getting passes too much including after getting 18 passes thrown to him in the 1st skins game(that we lost)

#7 guy is a 220 pound muscle freak but has major trouble getting off of jams by 185 pound cornerbacks

#8 even if it was made up drama(the him/romo/witten thing) it was in the media because of him. they don't do that with any other wr.

more to come if you would like.

Ramp it's posts like this that make it impossible not to like you, even if you say maddening things that annoy me sometimes, like the soft bones comment. :)

Again I'm a TO fan. I like the guy. I believe he works hard and genuinely wants to win. But he does bring a whole lot of drama, some of it by his own doing some of it by things he's done in the past that the media simply won't let go, and that can be distracting for sure.

Like I said if he's here I like if he's not I'm not going to shed any tears cause I think we'll be just fine anyway. We've got too many weapons for me to believe otherwise.
 
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