The Wade Phillips Bandwagon?

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wileedog;3071275 said:
Who cares?

Wade hasn't gone 12-4 two years in a row and won the Superbowl.

He's muffed one playoff appearance and coached a team that self-destructed while he stood by helplessly.

No one is saying Barry > Wade, or that Barry's team wasn't vastly better. But Wade took a playoff caliber team over in a much more watered down league and has produced zilch so far. Just like many of his previous coaching stops. The light didn't just go on for him this season after 20 years of coaching.

That's the point.

Wade took over a 9-7 team that melted down in Dec that is what he got. Parcells team were choking in december not one single winning december from the time he got here to the time he left. Parcells was given an oppetunity and he did make a differance for this team but that team still had many holes in it that needed to be filled. Now in his 3rd year with this team Wade should be expected to get over that hump if he does he deserves the credit for a job well done if not then chances are it will be the door for him
 

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I wouldn't label 4 attempts as "few".

Losing 4 Playoff Games, which happens to be all of them for Wade Phillips is a "trend".

Also, some of the teams Wade Phillips took to the Playoffs were pretty good teams.

I am on Wade Phillips' bandwagon as far as doing great this year. However, as Head Coach for the next several season, I am not on that bandwagon.
 

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Maikeru-sama;3071295 said:
I wouldn't label 4 attempts as "few".

Losing 4 Playoff Games, which happens to be all of them for Wade Phillips is a "trend".

Also, some of the teams Wade Phillips took to the Playoffs were pretty good teams.

I am on Wade Phillips' bandwagon as far as doing great this year. However, as Head Coach for the next several season, I am not on that bandwagon.

Everything is a trend until you change it if he does he deserve credit for that if not then odds are he will be gone.

I'm not giving Wade any free pass but I'm not closing the door on him either, he has a job to do and thus far the team is responding but we are not there yet. I would give that much to any HC
 

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Doomsday101;3071236 said:
Wade did not inherit a 2 time defending Super Bowl winning team with all the key parts in place both on offense and defense. Wade inherited a team that was 9-7 and still had holes in it. BP did a very good job filling some of those hole but others still remained.
Um... a 9-7 team where DREW BLEDSOE (ie. human statue) PATHETICALLY started 5 games.

Wade broke (special teams) as many things as he "fixed" (what did he fix ?) and has us playing at 11 penalties on the road vs divisional opponent.

break out the anointing oils ROTFLMAO

WE WIN IN SPITE OF OUR HC/OC.
 

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Yup. credit Jerry for helping create the ONLY POSSIBLE ATMOSPHERE FOR NON-SUFFOCATION

of course jerry created all these problems and Roy #11 was a clusterfudge but any Wade Bandwagon is laughable and absurd.

Imagine Wade (and jason) this year if jerry doesn't jettison his pets (TO, pacman, etc.). :laugh2:


wileedog;3071249 said:
Your faulty argument through this entire thread is that the team's record decides whether Wade is a good coach or not.

As has been said, we had two 12-4 seasons and a Superbowl with Switzer. I don't think any better of Barry for that, or worse for his final 6-10. He was guy who was only going to go as far as his players took him.

Wade has always been given at least competitive teams, and a couple of playoffs teams. He's never taken them anywhere.

I don't buy for a minute that at age 62 Wade Phillips has reversed his entire coaching career, when the much more obvious and simpler explanation is that the team made a concerted effort in the offseason to change the atmosphere in the locker room and bring in high character players. And I think they really keyed off that win in KC.

Hell if anything I'm closer to the Jerry bandwagon than I am Wade's, who provided him with the only possible atmosphere and situation that Wade could succeed in. Roy Williams debate aside, looks like Jerry hit all the right buttons this offseason.
 

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chinch;3071306 said:
Um... a 9-7 team where DREW BLEDSOE (ie. human statue) PATHETICALLY started 5 games.

Wade broke (special teams) as many things as he "fixed" (what did he fix ?) and has us playing at 11 penalties on the road vs divisional opponent.

break out the anointing oils ROTFLMAO

WE WIN IN SPITE OF OUR HC/OC.

Who put Bledsoe the human statue in there? It sure as hell was not Wade Phillips . :lmao2:

There was nothing special about the special teams under BP and as far as penalties we were one of the league leading teams in committing penalties under Parcells.

People like Jimmy have been saying Dallas has the talent for the last few years but they don't play like a team. Right now people are starting to say Dallas is talented and playing together like a team and Wade has a lot to do with that the man preaches it to the players.

Only a moron would think any team wins game despite the HC and their staff. Bad coaches produce bad teams period
 

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Let's face it. A few wins half way through the season is not gonna change the minds of the people who don't trust that Wade will get it done when it matters most. I'm already on record as stating that I don't like him as HC and I doubt that he can lead this team all the way.

I will admit that this team has a different feel to it and I am as excited as next fan. Therefore, I will not interupt the "KUM BAY YAH" "WE ARE Family" and "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" choruses being song on Wade's wagon.

Carry on!
 

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Wasn't going to jump back into this, but can't help it...

Speaking of track records, as someone did a few posts ago, Wade is now 57-31 in his last two coaching stops covering five and a half years. And no, he didn't have a great quarterback like Romo at the last job.

Also, this is his eighth year coaching in the NFL. In that time, he's only had one losing season, and that was a 7-9 year. How many other coaches can say that?

Does anyone think that's all luck, or that teams are winning in spite of him? Seriously?

Someone once said "You are what your record says you are", did they not? Or does that apply only when it's convenient?

Now, there's no need for bickering. Don't worry, you non-believers don't have to repent, and you won't be harrassed when you join up. Everyone's welcome to get on and enjoy the ride. :)
 

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Doomsday101;3071291 said:
Wade took over a 9-7 team that melted down in Dec that is what he got.

What he got was a team that had been pulled from the dregs and primed for contention. Phillips had a meltdown team last year and it was undoubtedly more talented than any team Coach Parcells had here.

Parcells team were choking in december not one single winning december from the time he got here to the time he left.

Two different coaches. Same trend. Figure it out.

Parcells was given an oppetunity and he did make a differance for this team but that team still had many holes in it that needed to be filled. Now in his 3rd year with this team Wade should be expected to get over that hump if he does he deserves the credit for a job well done if not then chances are it will be the door for him

His "oppetunity" consisted taking over one of the worst situations in the history of the franchise and turning it around. That was what he was brought here to do. If you don't believe me, ask the GM who hired him. His 2003 season was remarkable. Put Phillips in that situation, we know how that turns out.

As for the holes that still needed to be filled, who is responsible for that? And since when do complete rebuilding projects happen overnight? They don't. What Phillips inherited was a house that was practically built.

The foundation, four walls and much of the interior was done. If he was a quality head coach, he could have easily did what Gruden did after taking over from Dungy. That did not happen. What has been added over the last three years is what he didn't have, including a good quarterback, who he had for what wasn't even a full season.

The amount of ingratitude Parcells receives is amazing to me. Especially when there is the childish comparison to the talent level he had for four years in comparison to what Phillips has had for three. He wasn't perfect, but without him, we wouldn't even be in the position we find ourselves in now.

If Dallas wins a championship under Phillips, he'll deserve all the kudos any Super Bowl championship coach receives. But like Switzer, he won't get recognized fully unless he not only wins the title but also establishes his own system and establishes a legacy that carries forward.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3071319 said:
Wasn't going to jump back into this, but can't help it...

Speaking of track records, as someone did a few posts ago, Wade is now 57-31 in his last two coaching stops covering five and a half years. And no, he didn't have a great quarterback like Romo at the last job.

Also, this is his eighth year coaching in the NFL. In that time, he's only had one losing season, and that was a 7-9 year. How many other coaches can say that?

Does anyone think that's all luck, or that teams are winning in spite of him? Seriously?

Someone once said "You are what your record says you are", did they not? Or does that apply only when it's convenient?

Now, there's no need for bickering. Don't worry, you non-believers don't have to repent, and you won't be harrassed when you join up. Everyone's welcome to get on and enjoy the ride. :)

:starspin
 

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Dallas4ever;3071317 said:
Let's face it. A few wins half way through the season is not gonna change the minds of the people who don't trust that Wade will get it done when it matters most. I'm already on record as stating that I don't like him as HC and I doubt that he can lead this team all the way.

I will admit that this team has a different feel to it and I am as excited as next fan. Therefore, I will not interupt the "KUM BAY YAH" "WE ARE Family" and "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" choruses being song on Wade's wagon.

Carry on!

Winning, going to all the way is not going to change some minds hell they already are coming up with well the players are doing it. Funny thing is when we lose it is the coaches fault and when we win that is just the players.
 

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Doomsday101;3071316 said:
Who put Bledsoe the human statue in there? It sure as hell was not Wade Phillips . :lmao2:

Remember those LOSER QBS JERRY drafted & acquired. Hutch, QC, Henson... jerry's projects. Oh yeah and rumblings were jerry wanted Leftwich instead Tuna picked TNEW

:laugh2:

Tuna OTOH drafted, nurtured & matured the guy some here probably feel is the #3 QB in the league behind (and just by a hair) brady/p.manning.
 

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Alexander;3071323 said:
What he got was a team that had been pulled from the dregs and primed for contention. Phillips had a meltdown team last year and it was undoubtedly more talented than any team Coach Parcells had here.



Two different coaches. Same trend. Figure it out.



His "oppetunity" consisted taking over one of the worst situations in the history of the franchise and turning it around. That was what he was brought here to do. If you don't believe me, ask the GM who hired him. His 2003 season was remarkable. Put Phillips in that situation, we know how that turns out.

As for the holes that still needed to be filled, who is responsible for that? And since when do complete rebuilding projects happen overnight? They don't. What Phillips inherited was a house that was practically built.

The foundation, four walls and much of the interior was done. If he was a quality head coach, he could have easily did what Gruden did after taking over from Dungy. That did not happen. What has been added over the last three years is what he didn't have, including a good quarterback, who he had for what wasn't even a full season.

The amount of ingratitude Parcells receives is amazing to me. Especially when there is the childish comparison to the talent level he had for four years in comparison to what Phillips has had for three. He wasn't perfect, but without him, we wouldn't even be in the position we find ourselves in now.

If Dallas wins a championship under Phillips, he'll deserve all the kudos any Super Bowl championship coach receives. But like Switzer, he won't get recognized fully unless he not only wins the title but also establishes his own system and establishes a legacy that carries forward.

As I said I give BP alot of credit your right Dallas was a 5-11 team when BP took over and he deserves alot of credit for getting this team out of the basement but when he left that team still had many holes and weakness. In his last season Dallas went 2 and 3 in Dec and lost to a beatup Seahawks team so it was not like Wade was walking into a situation where everything was peaches and cream but yes things were much improves from what is was. Had BP had it in him to stay I feel confident that this team would have continued to grow and improve. So I take nothing away from him.

I'm disappointed that people can't seem to bring themselfs to give Phillips a fair chance and it seems it will not matter what this team does to change their minds. For those who are willing to give him a chance I think that is all any HC could or should ask for and I think it is the least any fan should do.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3071319 said:
Wasn't going to jump back into this, but can't help it...

Speaking of track records, as someone did a few posts ago, Wade is now 57-31 in his last two coaching stops covering five and a half years. And no, he didn't have a great quarterback like Romo at the last job.

Also, this is his eighth year coaching in the NFL. In that time, he's only had one losing season, and that was a 7-9 year. How many other coaches can say that?

Does anyone think that's all luck, or that teams are winning in spite of him? Seriously?

Someone once said "You are what your record says you are", did they not? Or does that apply only when it's convenient?

Now, there's no need for bickering. Don't worry, you non-believers don't have to repent, and you won't be harrassed when you join up. Everyone's welcome to get on and enjoy the ride. :)

Jason Garrett is THE MAN, Wade and Jerry are along for the ride!!!
 

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chinch;3071315 said:
Yup. credit Jerry for helping create the ONLY POSSIBLE ATMOSPHERE FOR NON-SUFFOCATION

of course jerry created all these problems and Roy #11 was a clusterfudge but any Wade Bandwagon is laughable and absurd.

Imagine Wade (and jason) this year if jerry doesn't jettison his pets (TO, pacman, etc.). :laugh2:

How often do you give credit to JJ for all the great moves he has made? Or are one of those "JJ sucks" no mater what the facts show type person?

The clowns will continue to only see what fits their agenda. Anything good the Cowboys do and JJ gets no credit. Anything bad and it's JJ fault. Pathetic logic on full display in this thread.
 

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A real HC does not flinch and look at his hurt hand when he gets a "high-five" from his QB.

A real HC does not throw a red flag with all his might that lands a foot and a half in front of him.

A real HC does not stare into la-la land everytime his oline jumps offsides or a player commits some other dumb penality.

A real HC does not stand at the podium after a game and drone on and on about really nothing at all.

No, I'm not on some bandwagon of his, but, I am following the wagon about 100 yards back driving my VW waiting to dodge any horse droppings that are surley/maybe going to happen.

Until I see that Wade has finally guided so called wagon into the depot...I'm not going to ride with that driver.

Here's to hoping Wade finally gets to his destination...until then, I'll stay in my beat up VW and just follow along.

:)
 

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Doomsday101;3071341 said:
I'm disappointed that people can't seem to bring themselfs to give Phillips a fair chance

Who isn't giving him a "fair chance"?

The facts are pretty plain. He hasn't bought himself the benefit of the doubt unless you are impressed by shiny regular season records and no postseason success.

I'll be quite happy for him if we do win something, because he seems like a nice person who deserves it. But that's where I draw the line. Nice person, but if the results aren't there with plenty of talent at his disposal, so sorry.

and it seems it will not matter what this team does to change their minds.

He's hasn't even won anything that matters yet. When he does, then someone can cry about him not being treated fairly. I think he has gotten off light for what happened last season. That was a leaderless rudderless ship. Mostly not his fault but moreso the environment he had little to do to create and due to his nature was nearly powerless to stop. It is not as much about what he does or did, but what he is. I don't have much reason to have overwhelming confidence nor do I feel the "chance" has been earned. I might as well wish he could sprout wings and fly. He'll have to prove it.

For those who are willing to give him a chance I think that is all any HC could or should ask for and I think it is the least any fan should do.

He's got the same sort of "chance" any coach we've ever had has. Our standards are high, but that comes with the territory.

He's gotten a chance to have more influence this year than any other. And if he is successful, he deserves a great deal of credit. Were it not for him, two of our biggest ingredients were ones he added (DeCamillis and Brooking). Other ingredients were already there. He just has to make sure he doesn't spoil the stew and finishes it out.
 

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JBond;3071345 said:
How often do you give credit to JJ for all the great moves he has made?

most of us don't see JJ as having made many "great" moves that translate to the game/field. Wish he was a "great move" machine. LOL

every fan i know would GLADLY praise JJ... unfortunately his football mistakes are numerous starting with the day-1 landry dismissal (how it was handled), to banishing jimmy to switzer and his other puppet coach hires, nevermind terrible roster/draft moves. and his overpaying JAGs creating comfy comfines for lazy/dumb athletes wearing the star.

jerry needs to learn from the franchise owner he seems to emulate & shadow but fails to achieve the same success... George Steinbrenner... in how to pass the reigns to others, more competent than himself. George did it by failing health. Jerry would serve cowboy fans and his legacy passing it along by free-will.
 

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Alexander;3071357 said:
Who isn't giving him a "fair chance"?

The facts are pretty plain. He hasn't bought himself the benefit of the doubt unless you are impressed by shiny regular season records and no postseason success.

So you think the only qualified coaches are the ones with tons of post season success? There are 32 teams and only a handful of coaches with "post season success".

BP had lots of post season success and couldn't get it done, so that blows your whole theory out of the water.
 

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JBond;3071371 said:
So you think the only qualified coaches are the ones with tons of post season success? There are 32 teams and only a handful of coaches with "post season success".

I want a coach who prepares his team to win, makes great adjustments, puts his players in a position to succeed, and isn't afraid to make decisions.

If a coach can do those things, then the results will likely follow.

Wade has been in the league for a long time, with a number of head coaching gigs. He doesn't have a whole heck of a lot to show for it.

We have a very talented team. If he can't pull out some post season wins this year, then he needs to go.

JBond;3071371 said:
BP had lots of post season success and couldn't get it done, so that blows your whole theory out of the water.

BP has zero post season success without Belichick on his staff.

And yeah, it became obvious midway through the 2006 season that Parcells had to go as well.
 
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