Thoughts from first rookie mini camp video

[CowboyChris]

for not liking Dak before the draft, i have come away very impressed with him so far, in his interviews, and watching the rookie minicamp video, hence my avatar change.

 

[Dodger12]

Oh I thought Troy Aikman worked out OK and Steve Walsh with that supplemental pick .
I think Tony Romo has been alright also.

JJones hasn't invested much in the way of high caliber QB's.

Wade Wilson developed Troy and Walsh? That's news to me. What are you even talking about.

 

[jnday]

Who would you rather have? The guy with a perfect motion but a doofus, like Eli? Or a leader with a strange throwing motion who checks off the leader and intangible boxes like Phillip Rivers? Give me Rivers everyday and twice on Sunday.

I would go with the two time Suler Bowl winner every single time. Eli has sure been a leader on those teams.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I would go with the two time Suler Bowl winner every single time. Eli has sure been a leader on those teams.

Yea, you and everyone else in Jersey. The Defense carried the team those years. Give me the guy that has nothing around him and still producing. Rivers is the AFC version of Romo. My example was as draft prospects though, too.

 

[sureletsrace]

Wade Wilson developed Troy and Walsh? That's news to me. What are you even talking about.

@waving monkey @MichaelWinicki @Idgit

Wade Wilson didn't even develop Romo. Romo was developed while Wade Wilson was gone and is a product of Sean Payton and Bill Parcells.

Wade Wilson was gone from 2002 to 2007. When Romo was drafted and groomed. Funny coincidence.

Wade Wilson has done nothing as a QB coach. There is zero evidence to show that he has assisted in developing a QB talent. He worked for the Bears as a QB coach from 2004-2006 and did jack squat there.

Best thing he has ever done was Rex Grossman. If that is what you want out of a QB coach, then fine, but don't question why other people want a change.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

@waving monkey @MichaelWinicki @Idgit

Wade Wilson didn't even develop Romo. Romo was developed while Wade Wilson was gone and is a product of Sean Payton and Bill Parcells.

Wade Wilson was gone from 2002 to 2007. When Romo was drafted and groomed. Funny coincidence.

Wade Wilson has done nothing as a QB coach. There is zero evidence to show that he has assisted in developing a QB talent. He worked for the Bears as a QB coach from 2004-2006 and did jack squat there.

Best thing he has ever done was Rex Grossman. If that is what you want out of a QB coach, then fine, but don't question why other people want a change.

I never posted that Wade Wilson developed Romo.

Personally I think Wilson has had cat **** to work with.

 

[sureletsrace]

I never posted that Wade Wilson developed Romo.

Personally I think Wilson has had cat **** to work with.

I agree with you. He hasn't had much to work with. But even with the guys he's been given, they haven't shown any real signs of improvement in any area. In fact, I personally think some of them regressed while they were here and got worse. There has been no improvement, regardless of whether he's developing a 1st rounder or an UDFA. There should be something that improves. Anything.

 

[jjktkk]

Call me crazy

 

[jjktkk]

why is Wade Wilson still on our coaching staff? Without us lucking into Romo what has he done?

What is Wilson suppose to do, make the Dustin Vaughns, and Richard Bartlels of the world all-pro QBs?

 

[jjktkk]

why? why? let me start off with Brandon freaking Weeden,a former first rd pick . Wilson had 2 years to work with him and he failed him completely.Weeden has a cannon for a arm but I can count on 1 hand the number of deep balls he threw last season.We deliberately made him a dink and dunk QB,teams knew he wouldn't go deep.now we have another backup with a noodle arm and teams know he cant go deep,how many games do you think we will win Kellen Moore?.

So the number of deep balls thrown by a QB correlates to successful coaching by the QBs coach? Never mind the WRs catching the ball, or maybe not enough time for the QB to throw a deep ball. You would think that if Wilson was such a incompetent QB coach, that Romo would of asked for a different QB coach a long time ago.

 

[rpntex]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought Romo had a 3/4 delivery coming out of college and pretty bad footwork. It's possible that I'm just misremembering though. It happens. I'm old.

Your memory is correct. Romo's throwing motion was a 3/4 motion.

Changing a QB's throwing motion is no different than changing his footwork, and that happens all the time. It's a matter of exercises and repetition until muscle memory takes over.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree with you. He hasn't had much to work with. But even with the guys he's been given, they haven't shown any real signs of improvement in any area. In fact, I personally think some of them regressed while they were here and got worse. There has been no improvement, regardless of whether he's developing a 1st rounder or an UDFA. There should be something that improves. Anything.

That's a valid point.

The challenge with trying to judge improvement with this offense is that you're looking at an offense built around the Romo, "I'm going to hold the ball for as long as I need" approach.

In addition all the backups suffered with a lack of Dez Bryant last season. I can't imagine too many QB's succeeding with Williams, Street and Beasley as your wide receivers.

Finally Weeden simply isn't an competent talent, Cassell has regressed over the years, McGee didn't have any talent.

Let's see how Moore progresses (or not).

 

[HappyOnions]

I have high hopes for Rico. Dude is a monster and if he develops his skills, he'll be a nightmare for defenders.

I can't wait to see what he can do. Call me crazy, but I think he's going to end up being the second best pick of our draft class.

 

[rpntex]

This. We are unlikely to mess with his throwing motion. That is too ingrained in muscle memory by now. But his drop back and footwork are an open book. Teach him to get back quick, find the right receiver and be ready to throw at end of drop back, and plant that right foot hard and let the ball go, and he'll be fine. We are a timing based passing offense, so the drop back and footwork is the very important to a QBs development

Uh, muscle memory cn be relearned, and it really isn't that difficult. Two of the league's best QBs - Romo & Drew Brees - both had to be taught to throw the ball with an "over the top" motion. In Romo's case, it was only about a 20-25 degree correction, but Brees came into the league throwing from a 45 degree angle. That's one of the rare instances when coaches want to alter a QB's motion Sidearm and 3/4 throws tend to sail and drift away from the QBs throwing hand, not to mention they're easier for DLinemen to bat down. The latter is especially true when the QB is short again, Romo & Brees).

All that said, I don't think they'll tinker with Prescott's motion, in that he is already throwing over the top. However, if they choose to, it's a matter of doing a simple exercise and repeating it hundreds of times. You gradually work a ball into the exercise, and keep repeating. It's no different than a pitcher in baseball tweaking his throwing motion...happens all the time.

 

[Hoofbite]

I really couldn't care less about a QBs throwing motion as long as he has a quick release and is accurate. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

I agree with this. Historically, I think there's been far too much concern with how a guy's motion looks. Although it's probably harder to throw consistently with poor mechanics, I wonder how some of the QBs with historically bad throwing motions would have done if they didn't have to scrap most of their technique the moment they walked into the room. I think throwing motions should be viewed more like a baseball swing in that they come in all shapes and sizes.

 

[waving monkey]

Wade Wilson developed Troy and Walsh? That's news to me. What are you even talking about.

Sherrington: Why Wade Wilson is not to blame for Cowboys' failure to develop QBs


http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...wade-wilson-blame-cowboys-failure-develop-qbs

 

[waving monkey]

@waving monkey @MichaelWinicki @Idgit

Wade Wilson didn't even develop Romo. Romo was developed while Wade Wilson was gone and is a product of Sean Payton and Bill Parcells.

Wade Wilson was gone from 2002 to 2007. When Romo was drafted and groomed. Funny coincidence.

Wade Wilson has done nothing as a QB coach. There is zero evidence to show that he has assisted in developing a QB talent. He worked for the Bears as a QB coach from 2004-2006 and did jack squat there.

Best thing he has ever done was Rex Grossman. If that is what you want out of a QB coach, then fine, but don't question why other people want a change.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...wade-wilson-blame-cowboys-failure-develop-qbs

 

[Hoofbite]

Here's Romo's opinion on David Lee

http://www.scout.com/college/ole-miss/story/1039238-romo-pennington-discuss-david-lee

And an article about Tom House, who is becoming the QB whisperer. Among his clients: Tom Brady.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...the-leagues-quarterbacks-are-seeking-him-out/

David Lee's been out for a long time hasn't he?

 

[sureletsrace]

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...wade-wilson-blame-cowboys-failure-develop-qbs

All that's saying is that Sherrington isn't blaming Wade Wilson because "he's a prince of a guy" and "Jerry hasn't spent enough draft picks on QBs".

That chat you linked is pretty useless.

 

[rockj7]

I have seen QB after QB with problems in their throwing motion. I don't think any of them was ever fixed . Some of the QBs was worse after the attempted change. Tebow sure seemed more accurate in college than he ever did after pro coaching.

I think of Drew Hensen they tried to change his throwing motion for not