Time to bring back Vinny and cut Romo!

[kartr]

Vinny would probably be OK as a backup. He suffered as the season progressed. For a couple of games, he might be tolerable.

However, having said that, I would like to see these guys play in a preseason game or two before I got too worked up about it.

One final thought: Those guys that are out there now will probably still be out there if Bledsoe should go down. Why the need to make a move now? A vet should be able to pick up the offense relatively quickly. Cross that bridge when you come to it.

Jake Plummer hurt his knee the other day, Pennington is going to miss the first pre-season game. What if a starter goes out for the season in pre-season, then one the current available vets will be on speed-dial, and all that will be left is the worst of the worst. Jeff George or Kordell Stewart anyone?

 

[kartr]

If Bledsoe goes down, it's time to find out what the youngsters can do, either Romo or Henson. BP will need to check his ego and let them play. If Bledsoe goes down, we have no playoff hope...might as well draft high to get a shot at the USC QB.

I think Romo will surprise some people. What do we have against Romo anyway? I know he's not 6'4 230 with rocket for an arm. But he seems to get IT and gets the job done like Sims did for BP. As for the draft status....didn't everyone passed on Warren Moon, Garcia, Warner?

So your logic is, if the backups suck in a scrimmage, they might be good in a game. They're throwing picks to their own defensive players who can't catch; our starting offensive linemen are getting beat by rookies and people we've never heard of before, yet you think they'll be better in games against other teams. I don't follow your logic.

Forget about Matt Leinhart, Detroit's waiting for Harrington to falter for an excuse to unload him and along with Charles Rogers. Detroit is the only team with enough ammo(Harrington,Rogers and their own 1st) to get Leinhart. So just forget about Leinhart. We don't even know how he'll play with Norm Chow gone.

 

[Mike 1967]

Yea and Vinny turned the ball over in 13 of are 16 games last year I have all types of post about it last year a weekly tally the last 5 games of the season. Lets make a note there he threw an int or fumbled the ball in 13 of 16 games. He had multiple int or fumble+int in like 8 of his 16 games so lets see he did what to help us lose a lot Vinny suxs and I rather run a young kid with no exp out there because he has the chance to do that bad as well.

Again...I'm not really interested in defending Vinny here. I am not a huge fan of his.

However, I like to debate and I see a huge whole in your argument above.

Specifically...that Parcells spoke about this topic many times last season. Parcells consistently blamed the turnovers on the fact that we were forced to put a lot of point on the board because of a lack of defense. Vinny was forced to take chances with the ball in an effort to keep pace with the opposing offense.

I think that people lose sight of the fact that PArcells is going to put the player in that makes the least amount of mistakes. And Parcells obviously felt he could trust Vinny. He obviously believed that Vinny was following the gameplan and that the majority of the turnovers were not due to "bonehead" mistakes.

If I were to be able to give advice to Henson or Romo it would be.....Dont turn the ball over. This will do more to impact there position on the team than anything else IMO.

 

[Waffle]

So your logic is, if the backups suck in a scrimmage, they might be good in a game. They're throwing picks to their own defensive players who can't catch; our starting offensive linemen are getting beat by rookies and people we've never heard of before, yet you think they'll be better in games against other teams. I don't follow your logic.

Forget about Matt Leinhart, Detroit's waiting for Harrington to falter for an excuse to unload him and along with Charles Rogers. Detroit is the only team with enough ammo(Harrington,Rogers and their own 1st) to get Leinhart. So just forget about Leinhart. We don't even know how he'll play with Norm Chow gone.

You make some good points, especially about the Detroit situation. I just want to know why you have pretty much written off both Henson and Romo without seeing them actually play?

I'll admit that I would feel more comfortable having a veteran QB in the mix as a backup, but I don't see how you can just say Henson/Romo are busts at this point. They MAY be, but we don't know just yet.

 

[kartr]

This is a silly thought to me. VT

Henson and Romo were the backups LAST year. I see no reason short of implosion that they are not the backups THIS year. In fact Romo was given a 2 year deal and appears to be playing at a higher level this camp.

Even sillier than bringing in VT would be to go with the scrubs. They can't be possibly be successful. We'd be 32nd in passing offense and all the improvements in other areas would be for naught.

 

[kartr]

Add Henson, Scott, Davis to that list.

Only Tucker hurt the team on the field last year. Thats on Parcells.
Stewart and Blade were cut I believe.

I believe Tucker is on Parcells too. Tucker was a guard in college, not a tackle.
Maybe they just need to figure out what position he's suppose to play before getting rid of him.

 

[kartr]

that makes sence bring in the interception machine and cut the better one of the two back ups.

Heck, they did it last year. Bring in Vinny and release your playoff qb and elevate to 2nd string a guy who hadn't played football in 4 years. Pure genius.

 

[kartr]

Apparently Romo is learning the same lesson, hence all the bring in another QB talk.

Is anyone shutting that talk up?

Didn't think so.

Romo's 3rd full off season. Where's the progress.

Mick and Bill Jones went off on Romo last night.

Small, inaccurate, weak arm, not mobile, bad decisions.

At least he has moxie.

I like that talk about Romo's moxie, it's a another way of saying he ain't much, but he tries real hard and he reminds of my best friends' kid brother.
What else did they say about Romo?

 

[Waffle]

Heck, they did it last year. Bring in Vinny and release your playoff qb and elevate to 2nd string a guy who hadn't played football in 4 years. Pure genius.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

 

[kartr]

When Romo is named, don't try the Verazano or Goethels. George Washington or road trip North to Tappan Zee is the ticket.

This is just a battle for a backup job. Not real big in the big picture.

I think they're in a battle for 3rd string. At least I hope so.

 

[Doomsday101]

Heck, they did it last year. Bring in Vinny and release your playoff qb and elevate to 2nd string a guy who hadn't played football in 4 years. Pure genius.

The druggie without a team yeah real dependable isn't he! Even is he is picked up he will be looking at a 4 game suspension. Jets give him a chance and what does he do? He lets them down as well by flunking yet another test late in the season and you’re crying over this punk? Gees It appears 95 percent of your post is on this subject isn’t it about time you moved on

 

[kartr]

Drew Bledsoe led the first-team offense to three field goals in his three offensive drives.

OXNARD, Calif. - Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said Saturday's training-camp scrimmage isn't a fair barometer to judge his backup quarterbacks.

And that's a good thing, because for the most part, there wasn't a lot of excitement generated by either Drew Henson or Tony Romo, and starter Drew Bledsoe wasn't exactly stellar, himself.

All in all, the scrimmage was nothing more than a glorified practice, here in front of nearly 5,500 fans at the River Ridge Sports Complex, as the Cowboys conducted 10 series, consisting anywhere from eight to 10 plays each.

Both Henson and Romo rotated with the second and third teams, while Bledsoe conducted three offensive series and part of a two-minute drill with the first unit.

While Romo did orchestrate the scrimmage's only touchdown drive, he also threw the only interception of the day. Unofficially, Romo was 14-of-19 for 153 yards.

Bledsoe, who led the offense to three field-goals, was 10-of-16 for 93 yards.

Henson, who has been struggling here during the first week of camp, continued his slump, completing only 4-of-13 passes for 26 yards.


Body of evidence is adding up - we shall see

Bledsoe led us to 3 field goals, that has a familiar ring to it.

 

[Waffle]

The druggie without a team yeah real dependable isn't he! Even is he is picked up he will be looking at a 4 game suspension. Jets give him a chance and what does he do? He lets them down as well by flunking yet another test late in the season and you’re crying over this punk? Gees It appears 95 percent of your post is on this subject isn’t it about time you moved on

95%??? Dooms...I think you might be a little low on your estimation, but close!

 

[junk]

Jake Plummer hurt his knee the other day, Pennington is going to miss the first pre-season game. What if a starter goes out for the season in pre-season, then one the current available vets will be on speed-dial, and all that will be left is the worst of the worst. Jeff George or Kordell Stewart anyone?

Quincy Carter? All that is left now is the worst of the worst.

 

[Doomsday101]

95%??? Dooms...I think you might be a little low on your estimation, but close!

It just gets old hearing this total BS and these lame numbers I watched the guy play he is not that damn good and if he were teams would not be sitting on their hands they would go get him. Only kartr is of the mindset that this guy is some great QB

 

[Waffle]

Look who's name isn't even listed. I mean...Kurt Kittner is still on a roster for pete's sake! :laugh2:

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[kartr]

Personally I think Vinny is a decent option as a backup QB....so long as he does not have to play more than 2-3 games in a season.

But...I would definitely prefer to have a young player in that position that is being groomed as the future starter. Especially when your current starter is over 30.

But...I would not choose to have a young player over an old vet at the Backup position if the young player was not able to step in and win.

So ultimately my great hope is that either Romo or Henso will step up. But if they cannot...then I would prefer to have Vinny in the fold for insurance. I think he has enough left in the tank to be a part time bus driver if required.

But again...I WOULD PREFER to have a good promising Romo or Henson or other young up and comer in that position.

Same here, I just don't think two youngsters who weren't drafted are the way to go. By the way, nice weather we're having today huh.

 

[Mike 1967]

Same here, I just don't think two youngsters who weren't drafted are the way to go. By the way, nice weather we're having today huh.

Been nice weather for the last 2-3 weeks

But my grass looks damn good ! :- )

 

[Waffle]

Same here, I just don't think two youngsters who weren't drafted are the way to go.

I politely asked you "why" you have this opinion (in a previous post), but you failed to answer the question.

 

[kartr]

You make some good points, especially about the Detroit situation. I just want to know why you have pretty much written off both Henson and Romo without seeing them actually play?

I'll admit that I would feel more comfortable having a veteran QB in the mix as a backup, but I don't see how you can just say Henson/Romo are busts at this point. They MAY be, but we don't know just yet.

Well, it's like this. I saw Romo last year. He's listed as 6"2', but I don't see it. They say he's got a strong arm, I don't see it. Two years ago he had Randle Williams wide open and threw behind him and Williams reached over his opponent and took the ball away. He does have moxie, but so did Jason Garrett. He looks like a nice kid, but just doesn't have the physical tools to be a starter.

Henson looks like a nice kid with good athleticism, but like Hutch, he looks like he has been away from the game too long. He just doesn't look natural or comfortable on the field. He doesn't seem to have a feel for the game. Yeah he's been away too long;but why is it a good policy to keep picking up these project guys, when other teams are drafting qb's and having more success. Realistically, Henson is less likely to be a success than qb's who were drafted and played extensively recently in college. It just seems to me that we're trying to do things the hard way. How can Henson make better decisions than guys with more experience when it takes lots of experience to make good decisions. He less experience than all of the 2nd year qb's, much less. To hang your hopes on Henson is just not logical to me and is a waste of time.