Top 10 QBs right now

[burmafrd]

Marino did not have that many playoff chances- and they NEVER had much of a running game- he was ok- but not great.
I have to laugh at someone who puts Eli Manning ahead of Bledsoe. And Favre has been DONE for several years. That particular list is just plain stupid.

 

[Cowchips]

Myself I would put Drew 7th or 8th on that list right now.

I look at it this way. Drew is probably a top 10 QB with the potential to be top 1 or 2 if he has the right tools. Dallas is getting the benefit of having an elite qb for very short money. He needs protection, so spend the extra money they would be paying for a Manning or a Brady on protection and let's get this party started.

When was Elway recognized as a great qb? After he took a huge paycut and the Bronco's used the money to shore up a pathetic o-line and get T. Davis. Bledsoe has done his part of this equation by taking 3rd string money, now it's time for Dallas to step up with one or two more elite o-line players.

Why is P. Manning never successful in the playoffs? Because he has 1/2 the payroll of the Colts sitting in his checking account.

Why was T. Brady always successful? Because up until last year, he was one of the lowest paid qb's and they could afford the supporting cast. This year that will end. T. Brady won't get 15 touchdowns and the Pats won't do better than 8-8. Remember where you heard that first!!

It's a team sport. Bledsoe is doing exactly what this team needs to be successful. If Dallas doesnt get it done, it wont be because of Bledsoe.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Elway was basically considered a great QB when he went to the SB against the Commanders (stringing together a few more solid seasons didnt hurt either). TD was considered the missing link more than anything. Elway never really had a pathetic line as you say. Moreso an adequate line based on the needs.

And thats just Elway. If you really want to get into Manning and Brady we can.

A Preview if needed...They will start like this :

Manning got his big contract when ? And who was on the OL ?

Brady got his big contract when ? And who was on the OL ?

People say that Hasselbeck and Green play behind two of the best OLs in the NFL.

 

[Glenn Carano]

I'm not trying to be a homer, but you can't ignore the fact that Bledsoe was the leading the NFL in passing before the Flozell injury. The wily veteran was also an MVP candidate....led us to 5 come from behind wins!

With a healthy oline (hopefully) and new weapons like TO and Fasano to play with The Answer believes that Bledsoe is going to have what you call a 'monster' season.

No way Bledsoe belongs any lower than the top 5....

~The Answer

Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself once again. Bledsoe the #2 QB in the NFL right now? :laugh2:

 

[tyke1doe]

My list:

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Carson Palmer
6. Drew Brees
7. Donovan McNabb
8. Trent Green
9. Jake Plummer
10. Marc Bulger

 

[gbrittain]

When was Elway recognized as a great qb? After he took a huge paycut and the Bronco's used the money to shore up a pathetic o-line and get T. Davis. Bledsoe has done his part of this equation by taking 3rd string money, now it's time for Dallas to step up with one or two more elite o-line players.

I have to disagree strongly with this statement. John Elway would have been a sure fire first ballot HOFer even if he had never won a Super Bowl.

He was already considered great.

 

[Ashwynn]

The Answer's top 10 QB's playing right now:

1.) Tom Brady - 3 world titles in first 5 seasons speaks for itself, has a great defense and coach but can't argue what he brings to the table.
2.) Drew Bledsoe - 14 year veteran can still sling it with the best of them, puts up great numbers with lesser talent but finally appears to have the missing link: TO
3.) Ben Rothlisberger - 15-1 as a rookie, outstanding performance in 3 straight road playoff games and a world title in his 2nd year.
4.) Jake Delhomme - The cajun sensation seems to be getting better each year, plays great in the big games.
5.) Peyton Manning - Can't ignore the numbers, but despite having phenomenal talent around him he still comes up short when it matters most.
6.) Donavan McNabb - Won a lot of games before TO, with TO and likely will after TO.
7.) Matt Hasslebach - From Brett Favre's understudy to a rock solid all around QB and a superbowl birth, can he do it again?
8.) Carson Palmer - Finally arrived in his 3rd season and has a very bright future if he can fully recover from a devestating injury.
9.) Trent Green - late bloomer has had a great running game to compliment his passing yards.
10.) Drew Brees - Going to make a lot of noise in NO with reggie bush if he is healthy. Chargers made a foolish mistake letting him walk.

Honorable mentions: Dante Culpepper, Brett Favre, Jake Plummer, Mark Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Please provide you top 10 QB rankings and base it on their PRESENT accomplishments, the team/talent around them, and proven ability, not future potential or past successes.

Thanks

~The Answer

I sure wish we had Pitts Oline. Ben would not be the same QB behind our line and Bledsoe behind Pitts line would look like Warner when he came out in 99-00 (whenever it was).

 

[ghst187]

I look at it this way. Drew is probably a top 10 QB with the potential to be top 1 or 2 if he has the right tools. Dallas is getting the benefit of having an elite qb for very short money. He needs protection, so spend the extra money they would be paying for a Manning or a Brady on protection and let's get this party started. .

I definitely think that Bledsoe is a top 10 QB in the league, probably top 7 or so but I couldn't honestly put him top 2 or even 3. The reason being is that there are a few QBs in the league that singlehandedly elevate their team and don't need all-star casts to have success. I think Brady, Womanning, and Carson Palmer are elite. I used to have Mcnubb in this class but I think he has fallen off quite a bit since he got fat and isn't much of a threat to run anymore. Then I think there are some QBs that have a decent cast of characters but they really lead the team and make it just a little better than it should be..Hasselback, Brees, Delhomme, Bledsoe, Mcnubb, Green, Roth and Brunell...I think in that order with Simms having the potential to break into that. I think Roth makes his team better but its only by not making mistakes rather than carving up the D. I think Plummer looks better than he is because of his team, same for Eli, Vick, and Daunte. I think the others I didn't name are such garbage they're not worth mentioning.


.[/QUOTE] When was Elway recognized as a great qb? After he took a huge paycut and the Bronco's used the money to shore up a pathetic o-line and get T. Davis. Bledsoe has done his part of this equation by taking 3rd string money, now it's time for Dallas to step up with one or two more elite o-line players. .[/QUOTE] How about the comeback over Cleveland in the playoffs? Probably about then Elway went from VERY good to great and it became a defining moment even though they didn't win the SB that year. Very much like Jordan hitting the jumper over Ehlo to win the series even though they got hammered in the next round. It was a defining moment where a player singlehandedly is recognized as being able to elevate his team.


.[/QUOTE] Why is P. Manning never successful in the playoffs? Because he has 1/2 the payroll of the Colts sitting in his checking account. .[/QUOTE]
Actually, he has a pretty good OL. I assure you our staff would probably trade ours for theirs straight up anyday. They also happened to have, or had, Edge, Harrison, Wayne, and Clark...not exactly garbage....I'm not sure how many more players Indy could've asked for. Maybe a few more players on defense, but I still think it comes down to the fact that Womanning is a choke artist and always has been and probably always will be. If he ever wins a ring it'll be a gift that someone gave them. They won't "beat" a good team in the clutch. 0-4, Manning's record against Spurrier's Gators in college. Immediately following, T Martin (the worst QB to ever win anything) takes UT to a championship, or should I say got out of the way enough to help UT to win one, with a lot of the same players Manning had. Fishy eh?
Its crazy too because low pressure games, Manning is the best in the biz. Flat out unstoppable.


.[/QUOTE] Why was T. Brady always successful? Because up until last year, he was one of the lowest paid qb's and they could afford the supporting cast. This year that will end. T. Brady won't get 15 touchdowns and the Pats won't do better than 8-8. Remember where you heard that first!! .[/QUOTE]
Supporting cast for TB?!? Where? They haven't had a secondary for years, they didn't have a running back until Dillon, and they've never had a WR that was anything more than decent. They're best WR wouldn't have even started for us last year. McGinnest, Harrison, and Bruschi have been they're only major defensive forces and the running game was only good the year they beat the iggles.

 

[burmafrd]

Did someone actually have Plummer ahead of Bledsoe? Now that is dumb.

 

[Doomsday]

Marino did not have that many playoff chances- and they NEVER had much of a running game- he was ok- but not great.
I have to laugh at someone who puts Eli Manning ahead of Bledsoe. And Favre has been DONE for several years. That particular list is just plain stupid.

Marino was OK, dude youre high as a kite. Have you even seen him play? Marino was one of the most prolific passers to ever play the game.

 

[burmafrd]

BUT in playoff games he was not that great.

 

[Crown Royal]

Crownslist:

1) Tom Brady - Duh pick
2) Peyton Manning - Duh pick
3) Matt Hasselback - He has had 2 incredible seasons marred by bad receivers. He was the best individual player in the superbowl on either team.
4) Carson Palmer - Should he continue based on what he did last season, we will be calling Troy Aikman a poor man's Carson Palmer.
5) Donovan McNabb - The homerism is strong with everyone who doesn't place him in the top ten. McNabb has been dominating his position for 6-7 years, and I suspect he will continue to do so even without TO. He would probably be higher on the list if not for last year's injury.
6) Ben Roethlisberger - No one can deny his OLine, receivers, Pitt's commitment to the run, all things that always contribute to a QB's success. But let's be honest - when it comes to bus driving, nobody is currently better.
7) Trent Green- Guy is quiet, but he is consistently good and plays very well. It'll be interesting to see him without Al Saunders.
8) Drew Bledsoe- Earned his way back here after last season. However, he will fall out of the top ten again should his second year resemble Buffalo's second year.
9) David Carr - This will, without a doubt, be my most unpopular pick. Maybe I'm holding onto yesterday, but I'd love to see him in a Pittburgh style offense. I still think he's a fantastic QB.
10) Jake Delhomme- Snuck in - I can't stand his game, but I can't deny the success he has had. And though I have a man crush on Leftwich's arm, I can't in good faith put Delhomme under Leftwich at this time.

 

[dbair1967]

Marino did not have that many playoff chances- and they NEVER had much of a running game- he was ok- but not great.
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didnt have many chances?

he started 18 playoff games in his career, was 8-10 (10 yrs he made the playoffs)...in 10 of those 18 games he threw 2 or more picks

as for the running game not existing argument:

1983--Miami ranked 6th in rushing attempts, 13th in yds gained, 23rd in yds per attempt
1984 17th, 16th, 16th
1985 19th and 18th, 18th
1986 28th and 25th, 4th
1987 24th and 23rd, 10th
1988 28, 28, 23
1989 25, 27, 28
1990 19, 22, 26
1991 25, 25, 21
1992 20,24, 20
1993 22,25, 26
1994 14, 13, 10
1995 19,21, 23
1996 15, 19, 21
1997 21, 29, 30
1998 13, 24, 30
1999 13, 22 , 28

so while they were never great, there were years where they were respectable or average...

David

 

[sbneff]

Bledsoe carried New England early in his career and especially after Parcells and Curtis Martin were gone. He was New England's favorite son.

No he was not. Patriots nation wanted any QB but Bledsoe. They were calling for the likes of Michael Bishop and were elated when Brady took over.

In Buffalo he led the team to 6 straight wins after a 3-6 start in 2004. Also set many franchise passing records in 2002.

Would you like me to dissect that season and show you who the Bills beat in those 6-games? Please list all the franchise records - I'll comment to those too.

Last year we could have easily been a 3 or 4 win team without him. 5 come from behind wins, and many frustrated defensive coordinators later...Bledsoe is the real deal!

Please elaborate, why would they have been only a 3-4 win team?

Also, what "username" do you use on the Bill's site?

 

[burmafrd]

Bledsoe haters need to get a life.
As regards Marino, most of those INT's came in the second half when they were behind and had to pass. YOU are joking if you call those numbers for the running game anything BUT mediocre to lousy. AND they never had a RB that really made the other team worry. Why in the world Don Shula could never seem to find a RB that could take the pressure off always amazed me.

 

[Jarv]

Two QB's I think that will surprise people this year...Instead of making the top ten list...

Lelly Holcomb and Brad Johnson. Both came on strong last year and I think they will build upon that success...

 

[cml750]

5.) Peyton Manning - Can't ignore the numbers, but despite having phenomenal talent around him he still comes up short when it matters most.

While I really hope he has a great year this could could be said about Bledsoe's career too.

 

[cml750]

Crownslist:

1) Tom Brady - Duh pick
2) Peyton Manning - Duh pick
3) Matt Hasselback - He has had 2 incredible seasons marred by bad receivers. He was the best individual player in the superbowl on either team.
4) Carson Palmer - Should he continue based on what he did last season, we will be calling Troy Aikman a poor man's Carson Palmer.
5) Donovan McNabb - The homerism is strong with everyone who doesn't place him in the top ten. McNabb has been dominating his position for 6-7 years, and I suspect he will continue to do so even without TO. He would probably be higher on the list if not for last year's injury.
6) Ben Roethlisberger - No one can deny his OLine, receivers, Pitt's commitment to the run, all things that always contribute to a QB's success. But let's be honest - when it comes to bus driving, nobody is currently better.
7) Trent Green- Guy is quiet, but he is consistently good and plays very well. It'll be interesting to see him without Al Saunders.
8) Drew Bledsoe- Earned his way back here after last season. However, he will fall out of the top ten again should his second year resemble Buffalo's second year.
9) David Carr - This will, without a doubt, be my most unpopular pick. Maybe I'm holding onto yesterday, but I'd love to see him in a Pittburgh style offense. I still think he's a fantastic QB.
10) Jake Delhomme- Snuck in - I can't stand his game, but I can't deny the success he has had. And though I have a man crush on Leftwich's arm, I can't in good faith put Delhomme under Leftwich at this time.

Much more accurate list with the possible exception of Carr.

 

[Crown Royal]

Much more accurate list with the possible exception of Carr.

Yeah - the more I think about it, I should flip 9 and 10. Delhomme has accomplished quite a bit more than Carr. I guess my criteria included who I would want on my team, and I would rather have Carr than Delhomme. But as far as NFL effectiveness, I can't deny Delhomme that spot.

 

[ghst187]

Carson Palmer - Should he continue based on what he did last season, we will be calling Troy Aikman a poor man's Carson Palmer.
5) Donovan McNabb - The homerism is strong with everyone who doesn't place him in the top ten. McNabb has been dominating his position for 6-7 years, and I suspect he will continue to do so even without TO. He would probably be higher on the list if not for last year's injury.

Wouldn't call Troy a poor man's anything, guy was elite...but I definitely think that if Palmer comes back 100% to what he was before the injury and continues his progress, he will clearly be the best QB in the league at some point in the next two years.

I don't agree on Mcnubb. True I probably have some homerism tinting my assessment but I really think he has been on the decline. I do agree that he was one of the best in the biz as recently as a few seasons ago and of course he was injured this past year...but the dude has put on a ton of weight and his threat to run, which was part of what made so threatening, has diminished significantly. He has always been a good but not great passer. In fact, you might remember there were at least two stretches where McNubb's play was so poor that the philthy media and fans wanted to bench him.
I think having TO last year actually did nothing but rent them one more year of competitiveness that they shouldn't have had and I think Mcnubb's skills have been on the decline. He can prove me wrong with a big year this year but I think they finish last in the division and Mcnubb probably struggles with injury again. I personally think the guy is overweight and too CHUNKY and that perhaps has led to his injuries (there's also a reason someone can't finish a game because they're too tired....)