Trade for O.J. Howard?

[gjkoeppen]

Tell Zac Ertz kelce gronk kittle that. We nee a 2 td guy not a 15 td a yr guy. We got the worst red zone offense in cowboys history and set a record for how many points we couldnt score against good teams.

Why because our tes suck. They arent even acceptable. They cant score from 5 yards must less 20. Lmao. 8 straight games batting zero. Thats like a DH in baseball who cant hit a home run.

Show me one gamewinning td highlight from a dallas cowboy te ever. Lmao. The fg kicker may have but not one of our tes. Sorry but we have 2 dominant receiving te positions built for gronk and hernandez and we dont even have a starter in black and white.

One thing I think is funny is you use a player that died in prison. The other thing that's funny, not ha ha funny, is for most of the season the Cowboys had the #1 offense and did it without having a Gronk type TE.
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[CowboysFaninHouston]

If I had to guess.....49ers, Ravens, Patriots, Packers and Cowboys will show interest at the right price. Titans an outside chance to have an interest as well. You can find his production but you'll never find someone with his athleticism/potential on the open market at his contact price.

I highly doubt...but we will see...regardless, I wouldn't want us to trade anything to get a back up at best TE....after 3 years he has shown he is not starting material and way over rated.

 

[CowboysExchange]

One thing I think is funny is you use a player that died in prison. The other thing that's funny, not ha ha funny, is for most of the season the Cowboys had the #1 offense and did it without having a Gronk type TE.
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That #1 offense couldnt score against any good teams. Got shutout often and lost 8 games. Plus they had the worst red zone offense in the league. Why is that? How are you a top offense?

Jarwiin and schultz will be out there on 25% of passing plays and Jarwin 100%. I guess if he gets hurt that will be schultz and another nobody. Lol.

Jarwin will break down playing that everydown role. Just like swaim.

Witten is the most overhyped te in NFL History. He never did squat against any great teams as a receiver. He was the reception leader for rinky dink passes but the worst red zone. and scoring te that will make it to the Hof. He held the team back on critical and long distance passing downs because he only drew containment coverage. Yeah he played every game and had a long career but who gets hurt catching flat footed passes short of the sticks and falling down.

Ill take Gronk and Hernandez over Jarwin and Schultz.

When we go 8-8 again this year cuz these tes cant score but 3-4 tds against the scrub giants and they wont use dual slot wrs and rbs ill get the last laugh just like i have for the 6+ years i been complaining about the sorry 12 and 11 personnel passing attack.

Jarwin and Schultz is still 2 less skilled players the defense has to cover on passing downs. Lol. Change that and we might win 1 more playoff game in the next decade.

Oj howard isnt the messiah but hes a better receiver than schultz. Id personally rather have a skilled player that can score to carry the scoring avgs for the team. Make more sense than catching a bunch of irrelevant receptions that win ya no games

 

[CowboysExchange]

One thing I think is funny is you use a player that died in prison. The other thing that's funny, not ha ha funny, is for most of the season the Cowboys had the #1 offense and did it without having a Gronk type TE.
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The Houston Oilers had one of the best offenses ever recorded and went to the playoffs for almost a decade. Run n shoot.

How many rings do they have. They didnt even have a te lol.

In our case. Id rather have no tes and use more ol and dual slot wrs and rbs.

These tes are LOSERS. IF THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ROLE on 3rd down and critical passing plays WE'LL GO 8-8 OR 9-6 MAYBE

Id rather have dak zeke pollard cooper gallop and our top draft pick Ceedee Lamb and bench the tes on 3rd down passing plays.

 

[CowboysExchange]

We dont even need a te period if they suck. A te is not not that detrimental if he is no good. But playing them on every passing snap is.

#82 never won beans. never won 5 games out of 350 with a game winning score. Lol. He came up short 99% of the time when the game or season was on the line and gets a free pass. Lol

Beasely won twice more games than witten and he was just a spot player for 5 years. Not an every snap receiver for 16

Witten woulda been a better te had he been utilized less. Hes not everydown worthy. Never really was a deep baller, gamechanger ,or a big scoring threat.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Witten had a seam route and a checkdown. He couldnt play outside or beat a top defender brah. He snuck open here and there but not in the end zone he didnt. Not in any playoff games he didnt. Not in any superbowls he didnt.

And neither did Escobar swaim hanna or any of those other reject tes who dominated passing snaps. Lol.

Thats why the scheme is trash. The talent at the te position as receivers is trash.

And there is NO SUBSTITUTION. NOT EVEN ON 3RD AND 24. LOL.

 

[gjkoeppen]

That #1 offense couldnt score against any good teams. Got shutout often and lost 8 games. Plus they had the worst red zone offense in the league. Why is that? How are you a top offense?

Jarwiin and schultz will be out there on 25% of passing plays and Jarwin 100%. I guess if he gets hurt that will be schultz and another nobody. Lol.

Jarwin will break down playing that everydown role. Just like swaim.

Witten is the most overhyped te in NFL History. He never did squat against any great teams as a receiver. He was the reception leader for rinky dink passes but the worst red zone. and scoring te that will make it to the Hof. He held the team back on critical and long distance passing downs because he only drew containment coverage. Yeah he played every game and had a long career but who gets hurt catching flat footed passes short of the sticks and falling down.

Ill take Gronk and Hernandez over Jarwin and Schultz.

When we go 8-8 again this year cuz these tes cant score but 3-4 tds against the scrub giants and they wont use dual slot wrs and rbs ill get the last laugh just like i have for the 6+ years i been complaining about the sorry 12 and 11 personnel passing attack.

Jarwin and Schultz is still 2 less skilled players the defense has to cover on passing downs. Lol. Change that and we might win 1 more playoff game in the next decade.

Oj howard isnt the messiah but hes a better receiver than schultz. Id personally rather have a skilled player that can score to carry the scoring avgs for the team. Make more sense than catching a bunch of irrelevant receptions that win ya no games

Once again you proved just how little you know. Most people in the sporting media world, even those who are not Cowboys fans, believe Witten will be in the HOF . The TE that has the 2nd most receptions for TE in NFL history and you say Witten is the most over hyped TE in NFL history. Witten is no longer in his prime but for someone who thinks Witten's career is over hyped and expects ANYONE to take what he thinks seriously is as foolish as you are.

And for you to keep pushing a TE that died in prison and hasn't played a down in SIX seasons also shows your foolishness.
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[CowboysExchange]

Once again you proved just how little you know. Most people in the sporting media world, even those who are not Cowboys fans, believe Witten will be in the HOF . The TE that has the 2nd most receptions for TE in NFL history and you say Witten is the most over hyped TE in NFL history. Witten is no longer in his prime but for someone who thinks Witten's career is over hyped and expects ANYONE to take what he thinks seriously is as foolish as you are.

And for you to keep pushing a TE that died in prison and hasn't played a down in SIX seasons also shows your foolishness.
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Gronk is by far the best Te to Ever play the Game and the Tandem of him and Hernandez is the best Dual Te Tandem ever.

Ne used a dominant 12 personnel and 11 personnel passing Attack like the Cowboys have for 10 years when they had the Talent. But they scrapped it when they didnt have that tandem anymore.

Witten is a great blocker and was a Great possession receiver in his prime but he was never a great deep threat or red zone stud which is the benchmark for being the GOAT.

We can stick Witten with Escobar, Hanna Swaim or Jarwin out there and try to emulate that tandem but none of them have the Red zone prowess that Even Hernandez did much less Gronk.

If #82 does go into the Hof its not because he singlehandedly carried the team as a receiver. He never had the go up and get a ball red zone scoring skillset or much gamechanging ability. .He has 1 playoff td in his career . He was a great possession receiver and blocker but most of his career he was a dud in the red zone or when the game or season was on the line.

Witten was washed up for 5+ years and was still better than anybody we have now. We need a prime player who is dominant at scoring if hes gonna be a main cog in our passing attack and play every snap.Much less 2 main cogs

 

[OmerV]

The Houston Oilers had one of the best offenses ever recorded and went to the playoffs for almost a decade. Run n shoot.

How many rings do they have. They didnt even have a te lol.

In our case. Id rather have no tes and use more ol and dual slot wrs and rbs.

These tes are LOSERS. IF THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ROLE on 3rd down and critical passing plays WE'LL GO 8-8 OR 9-6 MAYBE

Id rather have dak zeke pollard cooper gallop and our top draft pick Ceedee Lamb and bench the tes on 3rd down passing plays.

lol - it appears you have no concept of next man up or players doing more as they get experience and opportunity. I'm guessing you have no concept of actual athletic competition - anyone who does wouldn't give up just because they don't see everything as ideal. People like that have no ability to compete at anything.

The Oilers example is pretty nonsensical because it's not as if only teams with a strong TE win rings, or that teams without a highly productive TE haven't. By most accounts Tony Gonzales is the best TE ever, and he never won a ring. Accordingly, your suggestion that a high level TE is a key or a requirement does not fit facts.

Your use of capital letters indicates you are speaking out of some sense of emotion or imagined drama rater than reason or logic.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Gronk is by far the best Te to Ever play the Game and the Tandem of him and Hernandez is the best Dual Te Tandem ever.

Ne used a dominant 12 personnel and 11 personnel passing Attack like the Cowboys have for 10 years when they had the Talent. But they scrapped it when they didnt have that tandem anymore.

Witten is a great blocker and was a Great possession receiver in his prime but he was never a great deep threat or red zone stud which is the benchmark for being the GOAT.

We can stick Witten with Escobar, Hanna Swaim or Jarwin out there and try to emulate that tandem but none of them have the Red zone prowess that Even Hernandez did much less Gronk.

If #82 does go into the Hof its not because he singlehandedly carried the team as a receiver. He never had the go up and get a ball red zone scoring skillset or much gamechanging ability. .He has 1 playoff td in his career . He was a great possession receiver and blocker but most of his career he was a dud in the red zone or when the game or season was on the line.

Witten was washed up for 5+ years and was still better than anybody we have now. We need a prime player who is dominant at scoring if hes gonna be a main cog in our passing attack and play every snap.Much less 2 main cogs

ANYONE can go pick a, couple players from the past who very well may be better than current Cowboys players but this isn't fairyland fantasy football. To continue to whine about players the Cowboys don't have maybe if you're really a Cowboys fan you might think about supporting the Cowboys.

Just when did the TE position become the importance of being a WIDE RECEIVER going deep? Here's a thought that I know hasn't crossed your mind. During most of Gronk's career with the pats they had one other receiver that could catch down field and for a couple of them it was a slot receiver. So for a team that has won Super Bowls they did it without a having more than a single WR and Gronk. The pats have have some really good receivers like Moss, Welker, Ammendola but not in same seasons and nothing to go along with them except for Gronk since 2010. It's not like the pats had what the Cowboys have now with 3 good WR that will take care of the long catches. Witten made a HOF career of MOVING the sticks.
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[CowboysExchange]

lol - it appears you have no concept of next man up or players doing more as they get experience and opportunity. I'm guessing you have no concept of actual athletic competition - anyone who does wouldn't give up just because they don't see everything as ideal. People like that have no ability to compete at anything.

The Oilers example is pretty nonsensical because it's not as if only teams with a strong TE win rings, or that teams without a highly productive TE haven't. By most accounts Tony Gonzales is the best TE ever, and he never won a ring. Accordingly, your suggestion that a high level TE is a key or a requirement does not fit facts.

Your use of capital letters indicates you are speaking out of some sense of emotion or imagined drama rater than reason or logic.

You have 6 skilled players your scheming around on any given down. You want the 6 best scorers for that down and distance as much as possible. .

If its 2 tes or 5 wrs it makes no difference. I dont believe in the everydown te position nor do I believe in the next man up crap.

If you have 5 jerry rices you go five wide sometimes. You dont throw 2 scrub tes in there on 3rd and 24 for the sake of playing everydown. Thats ignorant. Thats the Cowboys losing scheme.

And if our te scoring rate is 2 tds a year each on avg 2 +2=4 tds and it never changes for 6+ years thats prolly why you havent won any playoff games. He he he Your 2 main cogs (skilled positions) in the passing scheme have 4 tds every year and play every single passing snap and thats ok????

If your fg kicker misses 10 fgs in the first 3 games you dont let him play for the season. Lol. If your number 1 wr doesnt score for 8 games you have problems.

Do you want to build an Every passing down te scheme around a Stud that has 10-15 tds and 15 yard averages a year or That 2 Td TE that cant win BEANS????????

You substitute in every single case. And you dont have a winner FOR THAT DOWN AND DISTANCE ya get ONE!!!!

Our tes have sucked for a decade playing every snap. Its a sorry scheme. Position never overrides skills or skillsets. If its a hail mary you pull those checkdown tes and fbs out
So how come we leave our te out there on every passing play when its apparent statistically that they arent a WINNING FORMULA????? ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY CANT COMPETE AGAINST TOP DEFENDERS???? IF THEY COULD THEY WOULD HAVE 8 TDS BRO NOT 2 AGAINST THE GIANTS

WHY DOES THE TE SUPPOSED TO PLAY EVERY SINGLE DOWN AND NOT THE OTHER 5 SKILLED PLAYERS?

FOOTBALL IS SITUATIONAL. NOT SET IN STONE BY PLAYERS AND POSITIONS.

WHY DONT WE USE A FB ON 3RD AND 24 THAT HAS NEVER CONVERTED ONE UP IN A CAREER?

BENCH THESE TES ON 3RD DOWN AND GET A WR OR A RB WHO CAN BEAT SOMEBODY

THESE TES SUCK AND ARE ONE LESS PLAYER THE D HAS TO COVER IN LONG YARDAGE AND SCORING SITUATIONS AND THEY ARE THE VANILLA IN OUR OFFENSE AND WE WONT WIN BEANS UNTIL WE GET ONE.

 

[Flamma]

The Houston Oilers had one of the best offenses ever recorded and went to the playoffs for almost a decade. Run n shoot.

How many rings do they have. They didnt even have a te lol.

In our case. Id rather have no tes and use more ol and dual slot wrs and rbs.

These tes are LOSERS. IF THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ROLE on 3rd down and critical passing plays WE'LL GO 8-8 OR 9-6 MAYBE

Id rather have dak zeke pollard cooper gallop and our top draft pick Ceedee Lamb and bench the tes on 3rd down passing plays.

That Oilers team was always fun to watch. But they had like all good WRs.

You can still have a 3 WR set with a TE. You'd just be in single set back. The idea behind a TE for the Cowboys is to get a favorable matchup. With Gallup, Cooper, and Lamb out there you have to believe our TE would draw a LB on many occasions. But if they're not good enough to take advantage of this then I'd have to agree with you.

 

[Flamma]

#82 never won beans. never won 5 games out of 350 with a game winning score. Lol. He came up short 99% of the time when the game or season was on the line and gets a free pass. Lol

This just from memory.

 

[Rayman70]

NO. We already have a pass catching TE. What we need is a blocking TE. We have Bell and Schultz...but that may not be good enough.

 

[DanA]

NO. We already have a pass catching TE. What we need is a blocking TE. We have Bell and Schultz...but that may not be good enough.

OJ Howard is a very good blocking TE in addition to pass catching.

 

[CowboysExchange]

That Oilers team was always fun to watch. But they had like all good WRs.

You can still have a 3 WR set with a TE. You'd just be in single set back. The idea behind a TE for the Cowboys is to get a favorable matchup. With Gallup, Cooper, and Lamb out there you have to believe our TE would draw a LB on many occasions. But if they're not good enough to take advantage of this then I'd have to agree with you.

When in 20 years have they? Lol. We watched this play out with swaim already. And every te ever. Weve never had a stud receiving te or a spread offense.

Thats why Brady has all the rings in 15 yrs and we got 2 playoffs

So we just gotta lose until they get better without substitution is what they arguing?

Theres 25 tes better than Jarwin and 70 better than Schultz. We have better guys at wr and rb to substitute

They playing all the snaps and everybody else around them is losing the game for us is their Argument.

Its not because of our tes suck at scoring bit according to them they arent resposible for scoring. Lol. . Its ok if the tes only have 2 tds each on average but nobody else?

We wont win a playoff game with their mentality. Of it wasnt for ole Mattie Ice the choke we'd have 1 playoff win. Lol.

Tom Landry would roll over in his grave if he saw GEOFF SWAIM AS OUR EVERYDOWN TE 2 YRS AGO. HED GO RUN N SHOOT OR SPEND THE MONEY

 

[Rayman70]

OJ Howard is a very good blocking TE in addition to pass catching.

yes..BUT he can't stay healthy. Its hard to trade for someone that isn't available. He is more of a pass catcher and not known for his blocking prowess.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

NO. We already have a pass catching TE. What we need is a blocking TE. We have Bell and Schultz...but that may not be good enough.

Actually from what I've seen OJ Howard is a better blocker than pass catcher at this point.

 

[DanA]

yes..BUT he can't stay healthy. Its hard to trade for someone that isn't available. He is more of a pass catcher and not known for his blocking prowess.

There's an injury record there but it's not dire. He only missed 2 games last year and all the games he's missed related to sprained ankles. Also, he's a very good blocker:

https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2020/...oves-he-was-an-effective-tight-end-this-year/

ESPN said that according to the stats, Howard was the league’s best pass-blocking tight end.

“Bucs coach Bruce Arians never relied on Howard all that much as a receiver this season. But the young tight end did play a role in the passing game with a 98% PBWR (pass block win rate).”

 

[Flamma]

When in 20 years have they? Lol. We watched this play out with swaim already. And every te ever. Weve never had a stud receiving te or a spread offense.

Thats why Brady has all the rings in 15 yrs and we got 2 playoffs

So we just gotta lose until they get better without substitution is what they arguing?

Theres 25 tes better than Jarwin and 70 better than Schultz. We have better guys at wr and rb to substitute

A TE is more than a guy just going out for a pass. He's also in a much better position to pick up a blitz. How many times did Romo tell Witten to "stay"? I caught it a few times myself. Three WRs with more time to pass is better than 4 WRs with no time to pass.

A TE can also help with disguising the play itself. Do we really want the defense to know we're passing or running? But I can agree on 3rd and long a TE that isn't very good is probably useless.