Trade Parsons

[Mac_MaloneV1]

sure i would love for MM to have a better scheme, but am i to believe our "Best defensive player" can not be asked to blow up a read option play? So if the other team runs the read option we are toast because its so creative? Come on Mac thats a mailin statement because its certainly not true for every defense...

Yes, that is exactly what you are supposed to believe. You can't blow up a read option singularly - the whole point of running it is hoping that a player tries to do that and takes themselves out of position. It is absolutely true for every defense. There is not an edge in the history of football who can come down the line to be responsible for an a-gap run AND get back to the edge to get to Lamar. It does not happen.

What blows up a read-option is a) reliable press-man coverage, b) LBs who quick trigger and c) DL that is stout at the POA despite numbers disadvantages.

 

[KJJ]

One of the problems with the defense is we’re undersized and so is Parsons. He came in 10 pounds heavier last season and this season he says he’s lighter. I would take Aidan Hutchinson over Parsons. The guy is huge! He currently has 6.5 sacks. Parsons isn’t going to be worth the kind of money he’s looking for next year. Our defense could suck even worse next year with some of the players we’re going to lose including DLaw. We could add several players with the kind of money it’s going to take to pay Parsons.

 

[CWR]

Jerry likes selling jerseys too much to trade Parsons.

He's not going anywhere.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

did it effectivley take him out of the game? I get what your saying but again how do teams take out Bosa and TJ and Myles...it happens but how continually? At some point your best defensive player has to beat what the other team is doing to him...does he not?

No. They all get taken out of games in exactly the same way. These players are only "blowing things up" when the defense is in advantageous positions - i.e. playing with a lead or 3rd and long. These guys aren't running around in the backfield on 2nd and 3.

If you are asking an edge to defeat two blockers and make a play on the other side of the field you have unrealistic expectations.

In the case of NO - if you are dedicating two skill-position blockers, you should never be able to complete a pass because you have a 3-man route. The other players have to take advantage of that.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Very few impact sacks and he’s only come up with one in four playoff games. Good luck fixing the DL and adding a quality RB with all the money it’s going to take to extend him. The book on how to defend him is out. In big moments he’s not showing up.

I'm not saying don't trade him, there is validity in that thought, its just that the idea that the book is out on how to defend him is ridiculous. This is basically the anti Dak crowd argument to just with Parsons inserted.

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

I agree he needs to be traded for some picks and maybe a RB (only if this team had an inkling of hope, which it doesn’t)

This defense is doomed. Nothing can save it this season. Not scheme, not playcalling. The personnel sucks and so does Zimmer. Trade away what little we have and tank.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yes, that is exactly what you are supposed to believe. You can't blow up a read option singularly - the whole point of running it is hoping that a player tries to do that and takes themselves out of position. It is absolutely true for every defense. There is not an edge in the history of football who can come down the line to be responsible for an a-gap run AND get back to the edge to get to Lamar. It does not happen.

What blows up a read-option is a) reliable press-man coverage, b) LBs who quick trigger and c) DL that is stout at the POA despite numbers disadvantages.

he has the QB in the hole he bit on a fake...you think the coaches are asking him to cover multiple people or is he not doing his job but likes to talk about how people should do their job after a loss....blow the QB up if he gives it then the person covering the RB needs to tackle him..how is that hard?

 

[Steve007]

He’s not making our defense better and has been a virtual no show so far this season. He’ll be looking for close to $40 million per season next year. He’ll be a training camp holdout. He only has one sack in our first 3 games and opponents have figured out how to neutralize him. He’ll be lucky to have double digit sacks this season with teams running the ball all day. He’s not making as many eye popping plays as he did his first couple of seasons and he continues to wear down. It’s just been reported our run defense is the worst through 3 games in the last 60 years in the NFL. Parsons says he only wants to play until he’s 30. He’s talking about being in the Olympics in four years. He doesn’t love football. We need to see what kind of haul we could get for him in a trade. We need to build the DL with a solid DT and add a quality RB.

Jerry doesn't make bold moves like that. Parsons is one of Jerrys stars in his 3 ring circus.

 

[KJJ]

Jerry doesn't make bold moves like that. Parsons is one of Jerrys stars in his 3 ring circus.

He used to make bold moves. However, it wouldn’t shock me if they attempt to trade Parsons after the season if we have a bad year. The season he’s currently having isn’t going to warrant the huge contract he’s going to be looking for. He’s headed for a down year along with the defense. Not many fans are going to want to pay him if the defense ends up one of the worst in history and his sack numbers are down. Even the Joneses are going to be apprehensive to pay him what he’s looking for if that happens.

 

[aikemirv]

His trade value is probably the highest it ever will be. He's coming off two consecutive seasons with 15+ sacks and the DPOY runner up. If he has a 5-sack season and is a liability against the run, then his value will plummet next season.

Yep and paying him is not going to do anything for you. Never have we been in such a hopeless situation after paying Dak - we are done for the forseeable future! Should have just cut him and run this trash season with Trey Lance!

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

he has the QB in the hole he bit on a fake...you think the coaches are asking him to cover multiple people or is he not doing his job but likes to talk about how people should do their job after a loss....blow the QB up if he gives it then the person covering the RB needs to tackle him..how is that hard?

I don't even know what you're talking about.

But the edge almost never has QB responsibility on a read option.

 

[CowboyFrog]

No. They all get taken out of games in exactly the same way. These players are only "blowing things up" when the defense is in advantageous positions - i.e. playing with a lead or 3rd and long. These guys aren't running around in the backfield on 2nd and 3.

If you are asking an edge to defeat two blockers and make a play on the other side of the field you have unrealistic expectations.

In the case of NO - if you are dedicating two skill-position blockers, you should never be able to complete a pass because you have a 3-man route. The other players have to take advantage of that.

ok so they are taking him out of games which goes back to KJJ point, THIS TEAM and how it is built can not effectivley use #11's talents...right? The other can not do their jobs so the #11 is being taken out of games by scheme pretty easily..correct?

 

[thunderpimp91]

did it effectivley take him out of the game? I get what your saying but again how do teams take out Bosa and TJ and Myles...it happens but how continually? At some point your best defensive player has to beat what the other team is doing to him...does he not?

You can take any player out of the game if you're able to win the other 1v1 matchups. There is a reason Parsons numbers are right there with those other guys each year yet Parsons is said to disappear. Myles Garrett was an absolute game wrecker in our week 1 matchup, but no one really talks about that because the Cowboys effectively took him out of the game aside from one play.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

He used to make bold moves. However, it wouldn’t shock me if they attempt to trade Parsons after the season if we have a bad year. The season he’s currently having isn’t going to warrant the huge contract he’s going to be looking for. He’s headed for a down year along with the defense. Not many fans are going to want to pay him if the defense ends up one of the worst in history and his sack numbers are down.

Micah Parsons could tear his ACL right now and he would still get over $40m. He'd probably get close to $50m on the open market.

 

[KJJ]

Micah Parsons could tear his ACL right now and he would still get over $40m. He'd probably get close to $50m on the open market.

With the season he’s currently having along with the defense if he were to tear his ACL he wouldn’t get close to $40 million. He certainly wouldn’t be getting close to $50 million on the open market, even if he was healthy and was lighting it up. That would be around $16 million per season more than any other defensive player. No way is that happening. You need to rethink that. lol

 

[aikemirv]

he has the QB in the hole he bit on a fake...you think the coaches are asking him to cover multiple people or is he not doing his job but likes to talk about how people should do their job after a loss....blow the QB up if he gives it then the person covering the RB needs to tackle him..how is that hard?

Exactly - saw that out of him and Lawrence time and time again yesterday!

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

ok so they are taking hij out of games which goes back to KJJ point, THIS TEAM and how it is built can not effectivley use #11's talents...right? The other can not do their jobs so the #11 is being taken out of games by scheme pretty easily..correct?

They're not taking 11 out of games. Teams are terrified of him and running extremely limited, JV offenses because of how disruptive he is.

The other 10 just aren't playing with any discipline.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He’s not making our defense better and has been a virtual no show so far this season. He’ll be looking for close to $40 million per season next year. He’ll be a training camp holdout. He only has one sack in our first 3 games and opponents have figured out how to neutralize him. He’ll be lucky to have double digit sacks this season with teams running the ball all day. He’s not making as many eye popping plays as he did his first couple of seasons and he continues to wear down. It’s just been reported our run defense is the worst through 3 games in the last 60 years in the NFL. Parsons says he only wants to play until he’s 30. He’s talking about being in the Olympics in four years. He doesn’t love football. We need to see what kind of haul we could get for him in a trade. We need to build the DL with a solid DT and add a quality RB.

It would be just like Jerald to pay Micah the Mouth $25 mil a year just as Parsons is descending I to being an average player.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

With the season he’s currently having along with the defense if he were to tear his ACL he wouldn’t get close to $40 million. He certainly wouldn’t be getting close to $50 million on the open market, even if he was healthy and was lighting it up. That would be around $16 million per season more than any other defensive player. No way is that happening.

Yes he would lol.

AAV of other players doesn't matter - % of cap does. At the same % of cap as Bosa, the number is close to $42m. $40m would be taking the second-highest contract.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I don't even know what you're talking about.

But the edge almost never has QB responsibility on a read option.

you should go watch the last run by Lamar to ice the game again