Trey Lance trade is one of the worst moves Jerry has ever done

[RustyBourneHorse]

Shula’s system wasn’t a good fit for Aikman and then Jimmy hired Norv and the rest is history. As a side note when Aikman struggled his first couple seasons Jimmy wasn’t 100% sold on him and used the #1 overall pick to get Steve Walsh.

I feel people are acting like we sold the farm for Trey. It’s just a 4th rounder, not a big deal if it doesn’t work out. I feel this will make Dak a better QB or we got a possible replacement if he flames out.

I would have hated to see this board when Jimmy used the #1 overall pick for Walsh. That was a bad move. Trading 2 #1’s for Joey Galloway was a bad move. Trading a 1 for WR Roy Williams was a bad move. This is a good move.

I feel if we traded for any other position besides QB then this wouldn’t even be a debate. If we got a #3 overall pick on a rookie contract for a fourth at any position there wouldn’t be 6 or 7 threads about it. If Dak is the QB people believe he is then this move will not affect him at all.

Exactly!! Everything you just said is exactly right. We are making a low risk move for a potentially high yield reward. I think Lance will be a good move for us, and I think, like you said, Dak will benefit from this move.

 

[Flamma]

Great arm. That's the only reason he was drafted that high.

Which is stupid. If great arms meant anything, JaMarcus Russell would be hall of fame.

 

[Cowboys5217]

It is neither the best nor the worst.
It is however proof of the bipolar nature of this fan base when threads have been started saying both.

It has been my experience after a couple of decades of internet is that this is not unique to the topic of the Cowboys, but will be encountered on any subject you can imagine.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Which is stupid. If great arms meant anything, JaMarcus Russell would be hall of fame.

but it does prove great arms get 1st picks... now what happens next is what gets GM's fired yearly..well not our GM but most others.

 

[shabazz]

How many Franchise QB's have their FO's bring in "competition" for the position yearly? again this whole line of thinking is kinda funny. If a late round QB brings some form of comp to a legit starter its by complete blind luck in no way deliberate. Do you feel like there is a "Competition" in any other franchise with a legit starter? A-Rod looking at Wilson thinking "Damn i better up my game or they will start this kid"....

Nobody here suggested “yearly” competition be brought in. It’s about bringing in “quality” competition so there is competency at the backup position that can hopefully hold serve and perhaps not lose the season if the starter is gone For the season

Denucci, Lance, Grier, and Rush are all 3rd stringers at best. I want my team to have a legitimate #2 guy at the Qb position. Many teams in the NFL do have legit #2 guys. If you’re happy hedging our bets with this talented team with the 4 bums I just listed, “have at it, Hoss”.

 

[Whyjerry]

And that’s say a lot. There was absolutely no reason to make this trade at this time in the year for another QB. He’s probably not going to play at all this season. All it does is create QB controversy with the haters who actually believe that he’s better than Dak. And what’s worse, MM had no idea about the trade until it was already done. Dumb move by the ownership. Just horrible timing right before the season opener.

You know you have been winning me over a bit and then I read this. The level of stupidity with this take is truly miraculous. They just got an elite athlete that threw only 420 game passes over the past several years. Add in valuable development time lost to Covid. Not his fault that the Niners drafted him so high and threw him to the wolves on a win now team. Guy needs to develop. The Niners rushed him. Period. Even with the lack of playing time the league thought enough of him that he was going to be top 10 no matter what.

Kid is 23. Cheap for 2 years. A hard worker. A perfect QB specimen. He can come to Dallas and just learn. By mid season he can be the backup. Big time upside from there. All it cost was a 4.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Nobody here suggested “yearly” competition be brought in. It’s about bringing in “quality” competition so there is competency at the backup position that can hopefully hold serve and perhaps not lose the season if the starter is gone For the season

Denucci, Lance, Grier, and Rush are all 3rd stringers at best. I want my team to have a legitimate #2 guy at the Qb position. Many teams in the NFL do have legit #2 guys. If you’re happy hedging our bets with this talented team with the 4 bums I just listed, “have at it, Hoss”.

no no no ... you never said "Can we upgrade the QB2" you said "bring in legit competiton".. here it is:

Since his first season he's never had competition brought in..

so again I ask what teams bring in legit competition for a clear franchise QB? "Hoss"

 

[LucaBrasi]

One of the worst? Lol. My man traded a 4th and 7th for OJ Santiago.

lmao. The list is long, friend. You must be new here.

 

[coult44]

And that’s say a lot. There was absolutely no reason to make this trade at this time in the year for another QB. He’s probably not going to play at all this season. All it does is create QB controversy with the haters who actually believe that he’s better than Dak. And what’s worse, MM had no idea about the trade until it was already done. Dumb move by the ownership. Just horrible timing right before the season opener.

You’re a horrible GM.

 

[ghst187]

Who will miss grier and to be blunt ONE spot on the roster is not a big deal.

It is when there’s the inevitable injury later on

 

[kskboys]

Which is stupid. If great arms meant anything, JaMarcus Russell would be hall of fame.

There really wasn't much else. He's got a bit of speed, but he's not particularly fast. Slow processing speed. May not be particularly athletic.

To reiterate, I don't mind throwing a 4th at him all that much. I'd have been POed at a 3rd or higher.

 

[kskboys]

One of the worst? Lol. My man traded a 4th and 7th for OJ Santiago.

lmao. The list is long, friend. You must be new here.

Yeah, this one doesn't even make the top 10. Might not make the top 20.

 

[shabazz]

no no no ... you never said "Can we upgrade the QB2" you said "bring in legit competiton".. here it is:

Since his first season he's never had competition brought in..

so again I ask what teams bring in legit competition for a clear franchise QB? "Hoss"

perhaps you haven’t seen my 100+ posts bemoaning the fact that the FO hasn’t drafted before the 4th round or brought in quality backup quarterbacks for this team. Look at the quarterbacks that we have drafted or brought in via FA since 2002……it’s a who’s who of schmucks.

Doesnt bringing in a legit #2 guy here afford itself to natural competing play?

Unfortunately for some here I can’t be lumped into either the camp that has its collective panties in a wad because they think that Dak could actually be replaced by this 1sr round failure and I’m not in the camp that is desperately hoping that Dak gets ousted by this walking lump of excrement.

I merely think Lance sucks and shouldn’t be on the team based on his own performance…….not based on being pro Dak or anti Dak.

Not everything here is Dakota-centric

 

[Toro9]

Yeah, I'm dumbfounded by this trade. They must think he can take over the reigns within the next couple years. You don't give up a 4th round pick for a backup.

 

[Nav22]

Yeah, I'm dumbfounded by this trade. They must think he can take over the reigns within the next couple years. You don't give up a 4th round pick for a backup.

What percentage of 4th-round picks do you think become quality NFL starters?

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

What percentage of 4th-round picks do you think become quality NFL starters?

Exactly , Good point.

 

[CowboyFrog]

perhaps you haven’t seen my 100+ posts bemoaning the fact that the FO hasn’t drafted before the 4th round or brought in quality backup quarterbacks for this team. Look at the quarterbacks that we have drafted or brought in via FA since 2002……it’s a who’s who of schmucks.

Doesnt bringing in a legit #2 guy here afford itself to natural competing play?

Unfortunately for some here I can’t be lumped into either the camp that has its collective panties in a wad because they think that Dak could actually be replaced by this 1sr round failure and I’m not in the camp that is desperately hoping that Dak gets ousted by this walking lump of excrement.

I merely think Lance sucks and shouldn’t be on the team based on his own performance…….not based on being pro Dak or anti Dak.

Not everything here is Dakota-centric

I 100% agree and fall in the same camp which is why I asked
How many FO's do bring in legit competition for their "Franchise" QB again this not Dak centric was simply pointing out this practice has been long dead in the NFL.. Salary cap, QB salaries and how bad you need your 1st round pick to play while you can afford them has caused this.

One diference I dont know if Lance sucks but a 4th round pick is fine with me to find out.

 

[stinkface]

but it does prove great arms get 1st picks... now what happens next is what gets GM's fired yearly..well not our GM but most others.

Other then Matt Jones with the Patriots, when was the last time a noodle arm QB was drafted in the first round. Folks want cannons.

 

[shabazz]

I 100% agree and fall in the same camp which is why I asked
How many FO's do bring in legit competition for their "Franchise" QB again this not Dak centric was simply pointing out this practice has been long dead in the NFL.. Salary cap, QB salaries and how bad you need your 1st round pick to play while you can afford them has caused this.

My original post was in response to our bro that stated that “Dak has always responded well to any competition hes encountered“. I responded that he hasn’t had any competition here, which is factual.

im just bewildered that anybody here believes that MM and his staff can suddenly produce quality out of a player that Shanahan and company couldn’t fix……I just want better for this team and I have to believe what I’ve seen of Treys sample size of plays, but more importantly, what Shanahan has seen for 3 years

 

[CowboyFrog]

My original post was in response to our bro that stated that “Dak has always responded well to any competition hes encountered“. I responded that he hasn’t had any competition here, which is factual.

im just bewildered that anybody here believes that MM and his staff can suddenly produce quality out of a player that Shanahan and company couldn’t fix……I just want better for this team and I have to believe what I’ve seen of Treys sample size of plays, but more importantly, what Shanahan has seen for 3 years

Qb competition is not a bad thing its just not logistical anymore unless you have a bad one, they need to rework the cap and QB's the thing is they are creating there own narrative on QB's by making it so hard for them to have a shot by making getting one early cost you so much, then they wonder "Why does backup QB play in the NFL suck so bad" well guys you have made sure they get no help and go to bad teams...no idea if Shanny is correct he moved on but the jury is still out on how correct he is, part of the reason he bailed so fats was the first part of my post.