Two Full Offseasons of Jerry without Bill

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Dodger12;2072895 said:
It must be a coincidence...there's no other explanation for ......:rolleyes:

Sure there's an explaination for it. Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano are now with another organization, so obviously they also had a hand in all the bad picks as well.

You see Jerry Jones and Tom Ciskowski begged and pleaded for Bill not to draft Bobby Carpenter and Fasano, but Parcells/Sparano/Ireland ganged up on them and shouted them down.

When Marion Barber and Jay Ratliff were picked, Jeff Ireland was taking a bathroom break and Parcells was grabbing some beef briciole from the buffet table so Jerry was able to sneak over and whisper their names into the telephone without them ever knowing.
 

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Mr Cowboy;2072690 said:
All it says is that Jerry came in and cleaned the mess the Parcells created.


I'll have what you're smoking.
 

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AtlCB;2072838 said:
Hudson Houck coached the San Diego offensive line from 2002 to 2004 before joining Miami.

Frank Verducci took over for Houck in 2002 in Dallas and was fired after that season when Parcells took over.

Stasheroo would love to get my information straightened out..hhaha..

Mr. Verducci..a name that completely excaped me in that 2002 season of failure.

..yes, we was fired..Ok.

And right, forgot Houck did coach in SD..Stasheroo will appreciate that correction, too.

Now if he can just find somebody to say Miami had a good OL under Houck when he was in Miami..

..I'll be happy to withdraw my entire post on the matter..

:D

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Mr Cowboy;2072690 said:
All it says is that Jerry came in and cleaned the mess the Parcells created.

Wow...this is ridiculous. If anything, "all it says" is that Parcells taught Jerry a thing or two about scouting and how to pick solid players. BP turned the team around and, along with his staff, did an amazing job bringing in and developing some of the key players that are currently on our starting roster.
 

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JJ has done his job the last two years IMO. No vet WR was available without giving up too much in return.
 

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Redball Express;2072996 said:
Stasheroo would love to get my information straightened out..hhaha..

Mr. Verducci..a name that completely excaped me in that 2002 season of failure.

..yes, we was fired..Ok.

And right, forgot Houck did coach in SD..Stasheroo will appreciate that correction, too.

Now if he can just find somebody to say Miami had a good OL under Houck when he was in Miami..

..I'll be happy to withdraw my entire post on the matter..

:D

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Ask and ye shall receive. From my earlier post on Houck's resume:

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Houck was lured away from the Chargers by former Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban with a three-year contract worth $2.5 million. The contract made him the second highest paid offensive line coach in the NFL at the time, behind only Alex Gibbs with the Atlanta Falcons. During his first year with the Dolphins in 2005, Houck's offensive line ranked fourth in the NFL in fewest sacks allowed, cutting their number in half from the previous year. In 2007, Houck was reunited with then Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron. Houck and Cameron worked together in San Diego when Cameron was offensive coordinator for the Chargers.

4th fewest sacks allowed in his first year? Not bad.

Cutting that number in half from the previous year? Pretty good.

And considering the garbage the Dolphins front office gave him to work with? Miraculous.

If he does half as good of a job for us, we should get the other 2 offensive linemen in the Pro Bowl too.
 

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theogt;2072647 said:
Just looking at replacing talent, which is what GMs do.

'07 Offseason

Ken Hamlin replaced Pat Watkins
Leonard Davis replaced Marco Rivera
Nick Folk replaced Gramatica/Vanderjagt
Anthony Spencer replaced Bobby Carpenter

'08 Offseason

Zach Thomas/Bobby Carpenter replace Akin Ayodele
Adam Jones replaces Jacques Reeves
Mike Jenkins replaces Nate Jones
Orlando Scandrick replaces Evan Oglesby
Felix Jones replaces Julius Jones
Martellus Bennett replaces Anthony Fasano

The only move that I can say is a borderline "downgrade" so far is replacing Fasano with Bennett, but obviously the front office doesn't think that's a downgrade at all. Edit: To clarify, long-term I don't think it's a downgrade, but short-term I think it definitely is.

What do you think? Yay or nay? Not too shabby at all, if you ask me.

Well, out of your ten "great moves", four of them are drafting rookies who we have no idea how they will perform.

Adam Jones might never play for us.
Zach Thomas is a 36-yr old LB and it is hardly a great move.
Spencer is drafted to replace Eillis and He has not done that great so far.

I give Jerry Jones credit for drafting Folk, signing Hamlin and Davis.
 

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Why do some many people like Anthony Fasono, He didnt do any thing with the Cowboys, i mean really 1 TD. So lets say bennet grabs 2 td's in the next two years, who he be considered an upgrade then.
 

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Ender;2073142 said:
Why do some many people like Anthony Fasono, He didnt do any thing with the Cowboys, i mean really 1 TD. So lets say bennet grabs 2 td's in the next two years, who he be considered an upgrade then.

Many people bought BP's BS about needing a two-TE offense and thought that Fasano was going to be the next Bavaro. They are now pissed off tlhat we traded away Bavaro to Parcells for a 4th round pick and he will prove to be an All-Pro TE.
 

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Eskimo;2073147 said:
Many people bought BP's BS about needing a two-TE offense and thought that Fasano was going to be the next Bavaro. They are now pissed off tlhat we traded away Bavaro to Parcells for a 4th round pick and he will prove to be an All-Pro TE.

Wow, do people really think he will be a pro bowler, :eek:
 

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Fasano had the potential but its questionable if he was ever going to be put in a position to show more as long as Witten is here. That and the shoulder injury- which I STILL think had a bigger influence on the trade then has been shown.
 

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Eskimo;2073147 said:
Many people bought BP's BS about needing a two-TE offense and thought that Fasano was going to be the next Bavaro. They are now pissed off tlhat we traded away Bavaro to Parcells for a 4th round pick and he will prove to be an All-Pro TE.


Well,Fasano,Bavaro,same bowels,same school,same ethnic background would lead a semi senile relic to think he is drafting and later trading for that obsolete commodity he deems one of "his" guys.
Duane needs to learn that father time is bigger(not in size,but in the grand scheme of things) than him.
 

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Artie Lange;2073164 said:
Well,Fasano,Bavaro,same bowels,same school,same ethnic background would lead a semi senile relic to think he is drafting and later trading for that obsolete commodity he deems one of "his" guys.
Duane needs to learn that father time is bigger(not in size,but in the grand scheme of things) than him.

Wow where you dig up that info? :laugh2:
 

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Not a single free agent added by Parcells made the Pro Bowl for us while he was here. Terrell Owens made it after Parcells left, but Jerry supposedly forced Owens on Parcells anyway.

Jerry signed two unrestricted free agents last offseason. They both made the Pro Bowl in their first season with us.
 

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The BP haters would be funny if they were not so pathetic.
 

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UVAwahoos;2073017 said:
Wow...this is ridiculous. If anything, "all it says" is that Parcells taught Jerry a thing or two about scouting and how to pick solid players. BP turned the team around and, along with his staff, did an amazing job bringing in and developing some of the key players that are currently on our starting roster.

Well lets take a look:
Ken Hamlin replaced Pat Watkins Parcells never did a thing to replace Woody once he left. His best effort was Watkins, who has not quite panned out. It cost Jerry and will continue to cost Jerry alot of money to fix the problem with Hamlin.

Leonard Davis replaced Marco Rivera Parcells signed an over the hill, Guard when he could have signed the other FA GB guard who was younger. Of course a guard was needed because Parcells drafted a bum who never played for the Cowboys, remember Peterman. Again, Jerry is paying through his nose for this mistake. The Kozier signing was also needed because of these two BP bums washing out. It's only Jerry's money.

Nick Folk replaced Gramatica/Vanderjagt Parcells decided to sign Vanderjagt instead of going for Vinatierri who costs $500,000 more, and because he does not believe in signing players from his ex coaches' teams. That is his rule plus he didn't trust rookie kickers.

Anthony Spencer replaced Bobby Carpenter who was suppose to be Ellis' replacement. Carpentar couldn't even beat out a rookie FA for playing time on ST his rookie year, and has yet to show that he can play in the NFL. This necessitated the drafting of Spencer to take over for Ellis. It's only Jerry's money.

'08 Offseason

Zach Thomas/Bobby Carpenter replace Akin Ayodele
Again Parcells signed Akin within hours of FA 3 years ago. Gave him a big contract, and he didn't quite pan out. He moved Carpenter to the middle, and again, Bobby hasn't shown much, so we go out and sign Thomas. It's only Jerry's money.

Adam Jones replaces Jacques ReevesSome here loved to mention Parcells' genius for finding Jones and Reeves in the 7th round. Those two players costs us some very important players. His attempts to upgrade consisted of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman.

Mike Jenkins replaces Nate Jones See above
Orlando Scandrick replaces Evan Oglesby No comment

Felix Jones replaces Julius Jones BP thought it a good idea to pass on Steven Jackson and take Julius Jones. Great move! This necessitated drafting Barber, (who turned out to be a good pick), and now we have to spend a 1st round pick on Felix. Again, it's only Jerry's money.

Martellus Bennett replaces Anthony Fasano
Should I continue?

WR BP plan at wr was to go with Keyshawn and Glenn. Never bothered to try to upgrade the position. At least Jerry took a chance on TO, and will have to make something happen soon to upgrade.

Also remember the Vinny debacle where he refuse to take him out and let his yong QBs have a chance. Then he brought Drew in.....the man is a genius.

If BP had taken any other Tackle beside Rogers, we may not have had to take a chance on Columbo. The Al Johnson pick still baffles me.

He made some good picks, I admit, but he whiffed an awful lot, more than he hit. I do give him credit for bringing discipline to the team and changing the attitude. But he was not nearly the God like savior some want to make him out to be.
 

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I think its a good chance that without Injury both Henry and Rivera could have made the Pro Bowl. What is really galling is that NEITHER of them had any real injury history untill they came here.
 
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theogt;2072647 said:
Just looking at replacing talent, which is what GMs do.

'07 Offseason

Ken Hamlin replaced Pat Watkins
Leonard Davis replaced Marco Rivera
Nick Folk replaced Gramatica/Vanderjagt
Anthony Spencer replaced Bobby Carpenter

'08 Offseason

Zach Thomas/Bobby Carpenter replace Akin Ayodele
Adam Jones replaces Jacques Reeves
Mike Jenkins replaces Nate Jones
Orlando Scandrick replaces Evan Oglesby
Felix Jones replaces Julius Jones
Martellus Bennett replaces Anthony Fasano

The only move that I can say is a borderline "downgrade" so far is replacing Fasano with Bennett, but obviously the front office doesn't think that's a downgrade at all. Edit: To clarify, long-term I don't think it's a downgrade, but short-term I think it definitely is.

What do you think? Yay or nay? Not too shabby at all, if you ask me.

Fasano has hands of stone so I wouldn't consider that a "downgrade"...
 
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