Two Full Offseasons of Jerry without Bill

[burmafrd]

Mr Cowboy, OGT and others desperate to downgrade BP forget one important fact about FA; WHO is available and how much they cost. Look at what was AVAILABLE for BP to get and THEN go on with your drivel.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Mr Cowboy, OGT and others desperate to downgrade BP forget one important fact about FA; WHO is available and how much they cost. Look at what was AVAILABLE for BP to get and THEN go on with your drivel.

It doesn't matter who is available, if the player is not worth the money, you don't sign him at any cost. You don't sign FAs just to sign them. You don't draft Centers and Tight Ends because you love those positions.

Like I said, I give him credit for changing the attitude and discipline, but the man is very over rated.

 

[burmafrd]

Maybe if I make it a little SIMPLER.

Those were all positions that needed upgrading. BP went out to try and get the best he could afford as regards FA. The draft is a whole other story.
BUT go right ahead and just keep up the drivel.

 

[theogt]

Mr Cowboy, OGT and others desperate to downgrade BP forget one important fact about FA; WHO is available and how much they cost. Look at what was AVAILABLE for BP to get and THEN go on with your drivel.

How, at all, did I downgrade Bill?

 

[Eskimo]

I think its a good chance that without Injury both Henry and Rivera could have made the Pro Bowl. What is really galling is that NEITHER of them had any real injury history untill they came here.

Rivera was run-down before he got here. Take a look at injury reports from his last few years at Green Bay. The writing was on the wall on this one.

With Henry it is harder to say. I think he is a good CB, but I don't think he is Pro Bowl material - just a notch below. Consider that TNew didn't even make it until this past season and he is much better than Henry.

 

[cnhnyy]

BP first draft at Miami: Jake Long (No.1), Philip Merling (No.2), Chad Henne (No.2), Kendall langford (No.3). He traded his No.4 for Fansano and Ayodele. I have to say he did pretty well so far.

Look at our two drafts since he left:
2007: Spencer (backup OLB), Martsen (Inactive), Free (inactive), Stainback (IR).
2008: Backup RB (Jones), Jenkins, Backup TE(Bennett), another backup RB( Choice).

Spencer could be starting by default and that's it.

 

[AdamJT13]

BP first draft at Miami: Jake Long (No.1), Philip Merling (No.2), Chad Henne (No.2), Kendall langford (No.3). He traded his No.4 for Fansano and Ayodele. I have to say he did pretty well so far.

Look at our two drafts since he left:
2007: Spencer (backup OLB), Martsen (Inactive), Free (inactive), Stainback (IR).
2008: Backup RB (Jones), Jenkins, Backup TE(Bennett), another backup RB( Choice).

Spencer could be starting by default and that's it.

You actually convinced yourself that this post makes sense?

 

[UVAwahoos]

Well lets take a look:
Ken Hamlin replaced Pat Watkins Parcells never did a thing to replace Woody once he left. His best effort was Watkins, who has not quite panned out. It cost Jerry and will continue to cost Jerry alot of money to fix the problem with Hamlin.

Leonard Davis replaced Marco Rivera Parcells signed an over the hill, Guard when he could have signed the other FA GB guard who was younger. Of course a guard was needed because Parcells drafted a bum who never played for the Cowboys, remember Peterman. Again, Jerry is paying through his nose for this mistake. The Kozier signing was also needed because of these two BP bums washing out. It's only Jerry's money.

Nick Folk replaced Gramatica/Vanderjagt Parcells decided to sign Vanderjagt instead of going for Vinatierri who costs $500,000 more, and because he does not believe in signing players from his ex coaches' teams. That is his rule plus he didn't trust rookie kickers.

Anthony Spencer replaced Bobby Carpenter who was suppose to be Ellis' replacement. Carpentar couldn't even beat out a rookie FA for playing time on ST his rookie year, and has yet to show that he can play in the NFL. This necessitated the drafting of Spencer to take over for Ellis. It's only Jerry's money.

'08 Offseason

Zach Thomas/Bobby Carpenter replace Akin Ayodele Again Parcells signed Akin within hours of FA 3 years ago. Gave him a big contract, and he didn't quite pan out. He moved Carpenter to the middle, and again, Bobby hasn't shown much, so we go out and sign Thomas. It's only Jerry's money.

Adam Jones replaces Jacques ReevesSome here loved to mention Parcells' genius for finding Jones and Reeves in the 7th round. Those two players costs us some very important players. His attempts to upgrade consisted of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman.

Mike Jenkins replaces Nate Jones See above
Orlando Scandrick replaces Evan Oglesby No comment

Felix Jones replaces Julius Jones BP thought it a good idea to pass on Steven Jackson and take Julius Jones. Great move! This necessitated drafting Barber, (who turned out to be a good pick), and now we have to spend a 1st round pick on Felix. Again, it's only Jerry's money.

Martellus Bennett replaces Anthony FasanoShould I continue?

WR BP plan at wr was to go with Keyshawn and Glenn. Never bothered to try to upgrade the position. At least Jerry took a chance on TO, and will have to make something happen soon to upgrade.

Also remember the Vinny debacle where he refuse to take him out and let his yong QBs have a chance. Then he brought Drew in.....the man is a genius.

If BP had taken any other Tackle beside Rogers, we may not have had to take a chance on Columbo. The Al Johnson pick still baffles me.

He made some good picks, I admit, but he whiffed an awful lot, more than he hit. I do give him credit for bringing discipline to the team and changing the attitude. But he was not nearly the God like savior some want to make him out to be.

Obviously you are going to mention only the whiffs to support your argument. That's cute. No GM or coach has ever drafted complete hits round by round every year.

The facts are, BP brought in players (well documented on this site) who have been instrumental in our victories over the last couple years and he took a hopeless, underachieving 5-11 club and immediately turned them into a consistent playoff team. People like you dig for every little morsel of negativity about BP with the only consistent argument being that he didn't win a playoff game here, but that's ridiculous too because he coached the team well enough to put them in a situation to win in Seattle. A coach can make adjustments and a winning gameplan, but it's not on the coach to control players from bobbling snaps and such. Romo didn't execute on that chipshot FG and there's no way that can be put on BP. Sure, other things could've gone better during the game, but in the end we were in a position to easily win it and we were ACTUALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS to begin with.

Finally, lets get something straight here. Jerry is the best owner we could ever ask for because he's willing to win at all costs. That's an amazing quality and we're fortunate for it. But in the end, the facts are that he has done nothing on his own without a great coach (Jimmy/BP) controlling the scene. He built a great franchise, destroyed it by letting Jimmy go, and then tucked his tail between his legs and brought in Parcells to help build it back up. There's a reason BP was given so much control when he came in and so the blind loyalists of Jerry in this thread need to realize that even Jerry himself knew his ways weren't working. I'm glad he had a couple draft pick gems. That's great! But if Jerry was so awesome as most of you supporters are saying, than he would've been the first to recognize that he didn't need to pay Parcells millions to run the show. Fortunately, 10 years of failure was worth rolling the dice on Parcells and it is paying off right now. The attitude of the team is different and we're talking Super Bowl now rather than just hoping to have a winning season.

 

[DallasEast]

Bill's gone?!?

 

[superpunk]

Jerry appears to have learned much from Duane Parcells. He's carrying his legacy on quite nicely.

Now if we can manage to not get burned by all the extracurricular stuff Jerry's bringing on the franhise, then I think this will be a huge success - a masterpiece worked on by many different people.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

BP first draft at Miami: Jake Long (No.1), Philip Merling (No.2), Chad Henne (No.2), Kendall langford (No.3). He traded his No.4 for Fansano and Ayodele. I have to say he did pretty well so far.

Look at our two drafts since he left:
2007: Spencer (backup OLB), Martsen (Inactive), Free (inactive), Stainback (IR).
2008: Backup RB (Jones), Jenkins, Backup TE(Bennett), another backup RB( Choice).

Spencer could be starting by default and that's it.

not to sound rude...but do you drink or smoke or both....you cannot be serious with this post

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Well lets take a look:
Ken Hamlin replaced Pat Watkins Parcells never did a thing to replace Woody once he left. His best effort was Watkins, who has not quite panned out. It cost Jerry and will continue to cost Jerry alot of money to fix the problem with Hamlin.

Leonard Davis replaced Marco Rivera Parcells signed an over the hill, Guard when he could have signed the other FA GB guard who was younger. Of course a guard was needed because Parcells drafted a bum who never played for the Cowboys, remember Peterman. Again, Jerry is paying through his nose for this mistake. The Kozier signing was also needed because of these two BP bums washing out. It's only Jerry's money.

Nick Folk replaced Gramatica/Vanderjagt Parcells decided to sign Vanderjagt instead of going for Vinatierri who costs $500,000 more, and because he does not believe in signing players from his ex coaches' teams. That is his rule plus he didn't trust rookie kickers.

Anthony Spencer replaced Bobby Carpenter who was suppose to be Ellis' replacement. Carpentar couldn't even beat out a rookie FA for playing time on ST his rookie year, and has yet to show that he can play in the NFL. This necessitated the drafting of Spencer to take over for Ellis. It's only Jerry's money.

'08 Offseason

Zach Thomas/Bobby Carpenter replace Akin Ayodele Again Parcells signed Akin within hours of FA 3 years ago. Gave him a big contract, and he didn't quite pan out. He moved Carpenter to the middle, and again, Bobby hasn't shown much, so we go out and sign Thomas. It's only Jerry's money.

Adam Jones replaces Jacques ReevesSome here loved to mention Parcells' genius for finding Jones and Reeves in the 7th round. Those two players costs us some very important players. His attempts to upgrade consisted of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman.

Mike Jenkins replaces Nate Jones See above
Orlando Scandrick replaces Evan Oglesby No comment

Felix Jones replaces Julius Jones BP thought it a good idea to pass on Steven Jackson and take Julius Jones. Great move! This necessitated drafting Barber, (who turned out to be a good pick), and now we have to spend a 1st round pick on Felix. Again, it's only Jerry's money.

Martellus Bennett replaces Anthony FasanoShould I continue?

WR BP plan at wr was to go with Keyshawn and Glenn. Never bothered to try to upgrade the position. At least Jerry took a chance on TO, and will have to make something happen soon to upgrade.

Also remember the Vinny debacle where he refuse to take him out and let his yong QBs have a chance. Then he brought Drew in.....the man is a genius.

If BP had taken any other Tackle beside Rogers, we may not have had to take a chance on Columbo. The Al Johnson pick still baffles me.

He made some good picks, I admit, but he whiffed an awful lot, more than he hit. I do give him credit for bringing discipline to the team and changing the attitude. But he was not nearly the God like savior some want to make him out to be.

these are facts....and people hate to be faced with them...actually very few people realize this because of the media love affair with parcells...he has ex-players on espn singing his praises...he has them on sirius nfl radio...he has them coaching througout the nfl....so he has enough ammunition to prevent the facts from taking center stage....again, Parcells was more positive than negative for this organization....but when we win, and yes we will....he will get most of the credit...and it would not be fair to jerry and the rest of the organization...not would it be true

 

[Hostile]

I've been enjoying this thread immensely. Just the title alone is enough to make me smile. I am so glad Mr. Egg Shells is gone.

I appreciate that he changed the direction of this franchise. I will always be grateful for that. But he simply did not live up to my expectations of him at all. He wanted to be more important than the success of the team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Bill Parcells was the right man at the right time for the Cowboys. I have no ill feelings towards him and I think this organization is better off because of the work Parcells put in. I do think Parcells was starting to wear thin with some of the players and had he stayed I think it would have only been a matter of time before TO and BP really butted heads.

Wade on the other hand enters Dallas bringing a family atmosphere that the players really seem to like and for the most part played very well last season under Wade Phillips and I expect bigger and better things this year from Wade and the players.

As for things like the draft just as it was when BP was here it is still a group effort, BP was not running the draft and making all the moves Jerry played a big part then and does now.

 

[iceberg]

You actually convinced yourself that this post makes sense?

when your name has no "real" vowels, you tend to say silly things.

 

[burmafrd]

My worry about Wade is whether he can tighten the screws enough to get the guys to concentrate and stop making the critical penalties. Family and such sounds real nice but if we do not get a ring its all for nothing.

 

[iceberg]

My worry about Wade is whether he can tighten the screws enough to get the guys to concentrate and stop making the critical penalties. Family and such sounds real nice but if we do not get a ring its all for nothing.

i think garrett can handle that and as a team they have that covered.

i'd also say parcells applied screws to the point no one talked, that didn't work either so maybe that's not the *only* thing that needs to be done to put us over the top.

 

[Stash]

My worry about Wade is whether he can tighten the screws enough to get the guys to concentrate and stop making the critical penalties. Family and such sounds real nice but if we do not get a ring its all for nothing.

I have those same worries.

Wade needs to forget about "13-3" and "13 Pro Bowlers" and realize that this is it for him.

This is the year to prove he's a great head coach as he contends. If he doesn't, I think he's out of here and he won't get another chance.

This is his best, last chance.

 

[Doomsday101]

My worry about Wade is whether he can tighten the screws enough to get the guys to concentrate and stop making the critical penalties. Family and such sounds real nice but if we do not get a ring its all for nothing.

BP was no non sense yet this team was one of the leader in penalties under him and had our share of mental break downs. I think there comes a time when each player on this team has to take it upon themselves to cut down on their own mistakes

 

[Dodger12]

Well lets take a look:
Ken Hamlin replaced Pat Watkins Parcells never did a thing to replace Woody once he left. His best effort was Watkins, who has not quite panned out. It cost Jerry and will continue to cost Jerry alot of money to fix the problem with Hamlin.

Lets keep things in perspective. To say that BP never did anything to fill a certain position is just plain foolish. All the guy did was churn the roster.

BP inherited a team with Tony Dixon, a 2nd round pick, as the back-up to Woodson, who might have had another year or two left except that his back gave out and he retired unexpectedly leaving the Cowboys with a huge hole to fill. BP shouldn't have had to do a thing to replace Woody except to plug in Jerry's high draft pick (Dixon). Dixon should have been able to fill in, given where he was drafted, but he was an absolute bust. Heck, BP even tried Woody Danzler at safety to try to fill the void. By all accounts, Roy Williams should have taken over Woodson and every indication early in his career was that he was a playmaker. Roy started going south which, of course, is BP’s fault, except that he continued to go south (by our standards) in a new defense that was supposed to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

Leonard Davis replaced Marco Rivera Parcells signed an over the hill, Guard when he could have signed the other FA GB guard who was younger. Of course a guard was needed because Parcells drafted a bum who never played for the Cowboys, remember Peterman. Again, Jerry is paying through his nose for this mistake. The Kozier signing was also needed because of these two BP bums washing out. It's only Jerry's money.

Marco Rivera replaced Kelvin Garmon, Solomon Page (OG/OT) and Andre Guorode. Two 2nd rounders and an 8th rounder. Lets also not forget Ross Tucker and Matt Lehr. Garmon, Page, Tucker and Lehr were busts and Rivera should have been an upgrade except his back gave out; that's not anyone's fault. Guorode was moved by BP to center where he became an All-Pro. Jerry’s not paying through the nose for Parcell’s mistake(s), Jerry’s paid through the nose because of his own inadequacies in the draft. That fact that Parcell’s had to try and replace two 2nd rounders who should have been able to fill in our OL is the real culprit here. The GB guard you’re referring to, Mike Wahle, didn’t want to come to Dallas; he wanted to go home to Carolina so we could have never signed him. And if you think Parcell’s drafted a second round bum, you conveniently forget the second round bums we were trying to replace in the first place.

Nick Folk replaced Gramatica/Vanderjagt Parcells decided to sign Vanderjagt instead of going for Vinatierri who costs $500,000 more, and because he does not believe in signing players from his ex coaches' teams. That is his rule plus he didn't trust rookie kickers.

Gramatica replaced Vanderjagt who replaced Billy Cundiff, who, at best, is a journeyman kicker BP inherited. Parcells kept Cundiff around for a couple of seasons then released him after a training camp, then brought him back to replace Cortez and later released him after he missed two clutch kicks. Vanderjagt was the most accurate kicker in the NFL at the time we signed him. The guy didn’t pan out but Gramatica was a solid replacement before Folk was drafted.

Anthony Spencer replaced Bobby Carpenter who was suppose to be Ellis' replacement. Carpentar couldn't even beat out a rookie FA for playing time on ST his rookie year, and has yet to show that he can play in the NFL. This necessitated the drafting of Spencer to take over for Ellis. It's only Jerry's money.

Dat Nguyn, Keith Adams, Kevin Hardy, Dexter Coakly, Luis Mackey, Orantes Grant, Darren Hambrick and Marcus Steele.

Compared to:

Ellis (moved to LB), Bradie James, Burnett, Ayodele, Ware, Keith O’Neil, Ryan Fowler, Scott Shanle, Al Singleton and Kalen Thorton.

'08 Offseason

Zach Thomas/Bobby Carpenter replace Akin Ayodele Again Parcells signed Akin within hours of FA 3 years ago. Gave him a big contract, and he didn't quite pan out. He moved Carpenter to the middle, and again, Bobby hasn't shown much, so we go out and sign Thomas. It's only Jerry's money.

Parcells/Jerry signed Akin Ayodele but which one of the LB’ers that BP inherited would you have rather kept? Ayodele was a solid LB. Nothing flashy but we weren’t getting a pro-bowler and we didn’t pay him like one. You can criticize Ayodele, but we just signed Thomas to a million dollar contract and he’s got health issues. But hey, it’s only Jerry’s money.

Adam Jones replaces Jacques ReevesSome here loved to mention Parcells' genius for finding Jones and Reeves in the 7th round. Those two players costs us some very important players. His attempts to upgrade consisted of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman.

Mike Jenkins replaces Nate Jones See above
Orlando Scandrick replaces Evan Oglesby No comment

Parcells had to replace Mario Edwards, Duane Hawthorne, Derek Ross, Pete Hunter and Dwayne Goodwrich. You can be critical of finding Jones and Reeves in the latter part of the draft but we shouldn’t have been in that predicament. BP had to replace a 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder and a couple of 4th rounders (not to mention the whiff on Larrimore) who aren’t even in the NFL. And his attempts to upgrade weren’t limited to Glenn and Coleman. You conveniently forgot Anthony Henry.

In short, I’d take T-New, Henry, Glenn, Reeves and Jones over any of the combination that was here pre-Parcells. But I don’t know why you’re critical of Reeves and Jones, or even Oglesby. They were lower round draft picks or UFA (Oglesby) taken for depth and ST, no different that Alan Ball or Courtney Brown and even Scandrick. Aaron Glenn was also taken for depth. You’re hyping a guy (Scandrick) and he hasn’t played a down in the NFL with the exception of rookie camp and we’re counting on a guy that hasn’t played in a year and is one more incident away from being banned. You can call that an upgrade and I'll call it holding my breath.

But what’s your gripe? That Reeves or Jones, a couple of late round guys, didn’t make the pro-bowl? I hope that Jenkins and Scandrick are an upgrade over couple of 7th rounders, just like I hoped that Ware would be a better LB than Hambrick or Steele. Way to go out on a limb.

And what very important players did those two players (Jones and Reeves) cost us?

Felix Jones replaces Julius Jones BP thought it a good idea to pass on Steven Jackson and take Julius Jones. Great move! This necessitated drafting Barber, (who turned out to be a good pick), and now we have to spend a 1st round pick on Felix. Again, it's only Jerry's money.

I love how you lament passing on Jackson and taking Julius but then claim that Felix is an upgrade, even though Jerry thought it was a good idea to pass on Mendenhall, a higher rated RB. History could very well have repeated itself when we passed on a higher rated runner but to you that’s an upgrade for Jones and gloss right over it, all the while being critical of passing on Jackson. That's a bit contradictory. We also drafted Barber in the 4th, not because of the Julius pick, but because we wanted to run a two RB system. If anything, Julius showed the types of flashes in his rookie year that had us all thinking we found something special and Marion was going to be the #2 back. And no one said we had to spend a 1st round pick on a #2 RB to play behind a Pro-Bowler; that was Jerry’s choice and was not necessitated by losing Julius. Either way, Troy Hambrick couldn’t put his money where his mouth was, nor could Sherman Williams (2nd rounder) before him, which necessitated us drafting a RB in the first place. But hey, it’s only Jerry’s money. Not to mention we all had high hopes for Woody Danzler taking over the reigns at RB pre-Parcells.

Martellus Bennett replaces Anthony FasanoShould I continue?

WR BP plan at wr was to go with Keyshawn and Glenn. Never bothered to try to upgrade the position. At least Jerry took a chance on TO, and will have to make something happen soon to upgrade.

Never tried to upgrade the position eh…..? We had Antonio Bryant, Galloway, Ken-Yon Rambo, Darnay Scott, Reggie Swinton and Randall Williams in 2002. It cost us two 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder and lord knows what else for those gems. Anyone who doesn’t think Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin and Sam Hurd are a huge upgrade are just plain blind.

You can even throw in Mike Lucky, James Walen, Tony McGee and a converted Kendall Watkins at TE. I’ll take Witten, Fasano and Sean Ryan any day of the week.

If BP had taken any other Tackle beside Rogers, we may not have had to take a chance on Columbo.

If Solomon Page (2nd rounder) or Aaron Gibson had worked out, then we might not have needed to draft an OL in the second round. Colombo has been nothing but extremely solid and we got him for next to nothing and gave him a chance to heal and compete for the job, which he won so I don’t know why you lamenting taking a chance with Colombo.

The Al Johnson pick still baffles me.

Then you must have been ecstatic with Clay Shiver, Matt Lehr, and Tyson Walter.