Tyler Guyton will be a bust

[Cmac]

If he wasn’t a bust it wouldn’t matter anyways.

Tyron Smith was all pro every year. It didn’t matter.

I said all this before the draft.

Stop wasting 1st round picks on offensive lineman when you don’t have a legit QB, RB, TE, or #2 WR.

They go hand-in-hand. A great/elite/good/decent QB has no chance with a bad OL. Didn't you see Mahomes in the SB when his OL was injured leading up to the big game against Tampa Bay? There is no QB that can consistently survive with our OL. Nobody. Did you see Joe Burrow with a bad OL?.....he got hurt. Just some nuggets.

 

[montgod]

Definitely too soon, but I wouldn't mind him being moved to RT (if a true OL coach thinks that is the best for him) - along with Steele getting cut and savings 14mill, TSmith to LT (or draft another LT), and plan to get a stud OL in the draft.

 

[Jipper]

Definitely too soon, but I wouldn't mind him being moved to RT (if a true OL coach thinks that is the best for him) - along with Steele getting cut and savings 14mill, TSmith to left T, and plan to get a stud OL in the draft.

yeah agree way too soon esp with how bad the team is overall

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

They go hand-in-hand. A great/elite/good/decent QB has no chance with a bad OL. Didn't you see Mahomes in the SB when his OL was injured leading up to the big game against Tampa Bay? There is no QB that can consistently survive with our OL. Nobody. Did you see Joe Burrow with a bad OL?.....he got hurt. Just some nuggets.

We had elite Olines with both Dak and Romo.

We had rushing leaders behind both of those elite lines with Dak and Romo (Murray and Zeke).

We still failed.

When you don’t have a QB you really have nothing.

 

[ncelkins1]

no i don't think you need to move him YET, thats your parachute move, the dude's not even 10 games in a rookie season and wish the whole team's not playing well..Yes BU plan move to RT but lets watch 7 more games another offseaosn a new staff and than judge him..

Yea totally fine for that. He needs reps. Get it in a year where we aren’t competing for anything other than a draft pick. Potential is there but I don’t think it’s at LT.

 

[bsbellomy]

It’s early I know but TG has all the traits of a bust. It seems like all the negatives coming out of college were true and he brought them all to the NFL. Mentally he is weak and immature and that will never work in the NFL at tackle. I haven’t given up on Mazi but Guyton looks like a big mistake.

Talk me down.

I'd really like to have a real OL coach. Our last good OL coach was Bill Callahan and got a lot out of his guys. Of course Jerry ran him out of town.

 

[ncelkins1]

Well for one let’s get a bonafide Oline coach to see what he can do first. Solari needs to be on the next SpaceX flight to the moon! Horrible fundamentals

Fact. I don’t think this gets talked about enough. He’s horrendous.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Going back to Tyron Smith, who was an athletic freak and higher potential/talent coming out of USC they allowed him to play at Right Tackle his rookie year. The position he played at USC his last year there.
Even with Doug Free showing he wasn't the answer at Left Tackle.
When Smith went to Left tackle, he wasn't a stud right away.

This front office expecting Guyton to be an answer at LT in the first two years of his career reeks of arrogance or stupidity.

Just hope those rumors about his drive(BB) aren't true.

yeah, but what does Jerry do with Steele. he just handed him a large contract. nowhere close to the end of his contract, and jerry likes to keep players regardless of where they are until the last year of contract as he doesn't want to have dead money on the cap by cutting players early because it makes him feel like he is double paying.

I didn't like the Guyton pick, specially that he played RT in college and he had only started 8 games....wow, red flags

 

[KJJ]

Anytime you draft a player that’s labeled a project they can be a boom or bust. So far Guyton has been a bust. That’s been the case with our last two first round picks. This is part of the reason the Cowboys have become one of the worst teams in the league. When you’re not active in free agency you have to nail your drafts and the Cowboys haven’t.

 

[StarBoyz83]

That would be really bad to waste 2 1st rounders in a row plus wasting the 2 4th rounders for lance and mingo. The 2023 draft was terrible lol 1 good player and one ok player

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Guyton needs 3 years....the NFL world knew this. The flip side is, if he DOES turn out to be a bust, you've wasted a LOT of time.

Maxi (Pad) Smith is a different story though. It's impossible for someone to be so large and FAT, yet easy to push around, unless you just suck at football....which he does.

It was so pathetic seeing him get fake-mad last night, acting like he wanted to fight. Typical sissy move: flex up when you know everyone is holding you back and u can't be hurt. Why not act a little tough when you're getting TRUCKED flat on ur tail on a running play by a guy that's 50 pounds lighter than you? Sissy creampuff.

 

[Proof]

Upper tier? Based on what? Look at the recent drafts. Look at this roster. This team might win 4 games this year. Zero playoff success. How is he upper tier?

as i said, the results of his body of drafts. last years was poor, but did yield overshown. this years i’m not ready to grade yet. maybe you don’t pay attention to overall drafting by the league at large, or only their hits, or only teams with multiple first rounders, or highly drafted qbs. but yes mcclay had been responsible for really good drafting on the whole. just not infallibly, and certainly not when focusing on last year or this years performance.


also if you need actual data. here’s (one of many) articles i found with just a cursory non-leading google of “best drafting teams”

over the last 5 drafts, not including current but including last years disaster, and dallas is tops in total value.

 

[John813]

yeah, but what does Jerry do with Steele. he just handed him a large contract. nowhere close to the end of his contract, and jerry likes to keep players regardless of where they are until the last year of contract as he doesn't want to have dead money on the cap by cutting players early because it makes him feel like he is double paying.

I didn't like the Guyton pick, specially that he played RT in college and he had only started 8 games....wow, red flags

We'll see. I think if the FO sours on him they'll cut Steele prior to his 2025 salary fully guaranteeing.
He's going down the same path as Gallup. 2 years after the ACL and he's still not the same player

 

[Cmac]

We had elite Olines with both Dak and Romo.

We had rushing leaders behind both of those elite lines with Dak and Romo (Murray and Zeke).

We still failed.

When you don’t have a QB you really have nothing.

Operative word is "had". I'd ask....do we require our QB to be perfect & flawless when the OL becomes shaky, suspect, and raw to pass protect or run block? Maybe you're stuck on the Dak is bad narrative now, a bit.

Blinds you from defensive flaws, coaching flaws, and everything else. A good OL is important, and the moment they aren't......you start counting the injuries Romo endured on sacks, alone.

 

[sdfidaho]

It’s early I know but TG has all the traits of a bust. It seems like all the negatives coming out of college were true and he brought them all to the NFL. Mentally he is weak and immature and that will never work in the NFL at tackle. I haven’t given up on Mazi but Guyton looks like a big mistake.

Talk me down.

Maybe he can be a decent RT some day.
God knows they need one of those too.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Guyton has had some ups and downs, but he's shown enough ups to convince me that he can play. He just need some seasoning.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

There's two parts to an NFL player's game - physical and mental.

Physical things can be coached up, like better strength, learning footwork, hand placement and so forth.
Mental things for the most part have been learned in Pee Wee football, high school and college, or they're not learned at all.

I'll give him a pass this year, after all he is a rookie, just getting used to the speed of the NFL game is a common thing. Maybe he's just gotten in some bad habits trying to handle top pass rushers, etc., and will improve in the next year or two.

But Mazi is not just not getting better, he's declining. For a guy who was supposedly stronger than the usual DT, he gets pushed around/stalemated far too often. And he's in his second year.

I'm sure Guyton and Mazi will both be here next year; we'll see what happens...

 

[Ozone22]

I believe he needs more time before he is considered a bust.

We do know one thing he isn't the next coming of Emmitt Smith.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The whole scouting dept and war room need to be fired.

Maybe, but we don't know how much Jerry, etc. disregard the scouting dept's advice. May be mostly Jerry's fault.

We all know the Cowboys' problems start and end with Jerry Jones, a new scouting dept probably wouldn't help much as long as Jerry's the doofus in charge.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I wouldn't call Guyton a bust just yet. Coming out of the draft the knock on him was that he wasn't ready to be a starter. Really he has played up to his draft stock where he has flashed upside, but done pretty poor overall so this shouldnt be a huge shock to anyone.

The issue if the Cowboys once again being overly dependent upon a rookie class to contribute right away, and a fan base that overhypes training camp reps. I truly think the Cowboys drafted pretty well last year, the issue is they set these guys up for failure.