Ultimate Petitti Thread...

[trickblue]

The last line of this post is so infantile that I am shocked an adult would write it. Oh yeah! Why don't you do it! Double dog dare you!

Well here is a list of reasons:
1. I am 6'5'' 180 pounds
2. I have never received training as an offensive lineman
3. I am not payed several hundred thousand dollars a year to do so

I could go on. How could you possibly believe that the last line of your post could serve as anything resembling a point?

And to those who say that Pettiti is not the weak link on the line, are you kidding me? His father does seem like a nice man and I understand the impetus on the part of some of the more established posters on this board to make it a pleasant place for such a distinguished guest, but the fact of the matter is that his son is just not getting it done. And from what I have seen there has been no indication that he has any potential of ever properly getting it done.

I challenge anybody on this board to name a worse starting RT in the NFL then Rob Pettiti. There are plenty of options given all the injuries. But I don't believe that such a person exists.

I do ask you what makes it so infantile... and it IS a point... he is a 6th rounder... do you regularly expect 6th rounders to make an impact year one?

Here is my point... you failed to grasp it... for a 6th rounder... rookie year... he has been solid. I fail to see what exactly you were expecting. A 6th out of Pitt... LT... that converted to RT... he has been solid...

I fail to see your "stats" as being relative... I am 6'1" 200... 42 years old... I have played football all of my life... so what...

Could I run you over still? Probably... so? I don't get your point...

Would you have been happy if he contributed 30 plays over the season? He contributed 30 plays TODAY... I really don't know what you expect... the kid has been pretty good IMHO... you don't have to like it, but it is a fact...

I would think that maybe you could appreciate his potential... and he has already been pretty good... year one, out of position... but I digress... you are the expert... all 6'5" 180 lbs of NFL OL that you are...

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Not a lot of pancakes. I rarely see a D-Lineman driven into the ground.

That's because when it DOES happen, they get called for freakin holding... (the first Commander game... on the 1st down completion to Keyshawn that would have let them keep the ball and run out the clock.)

 

[like a dog]

I do ask you what makes it so infantile... and it IS a point... he is a 6th rounder... do you regularly expect 6th rounders to make an impact year one?

Here is my point... you failed to grasp it... for a 6th rounder... rookie year... he has been solid. I fail to see what exactly you were expecting. A 6th out of Pitt... LT... that converted to RT... he has been solid...

I fail to see your "stats" as being relative... I am 6'1" 200... 42 years old... I have played football all of my life... so what...

Could I run you over still? Probably... so? I don't get your point...

Would you have been happy if he contributed 30 plays over the season? He contributed 30 plays TODAY... I really don't know what you expect... the kid has been pretty good IMHO... you don't have to like it, but it is a fact...

I would think that maybe you could appreciate his potential... and he has already been pretty good... year one, out of position... but I digress... you are the expert... all 6'5" 180 lbs of NFL OL that you are...

First of all, it is not all that uncommon for a low round draft pick or even an undrafted free agent to step right in and be succesful in the NFL. Shane Olivea was a 7th round pick last year and was solid RT from the get go. Jerry Ball was an undrafted free agent and gave the Chargers two good years at C. It is not unreasonable to expect a basic level of play from an offensive lineman, even if he is a rookie.

Secondly, I didn't say that your whole post was infantile, just the last line. In that line you implied that since nobody is "brave" enough to step up and take on Julius Peppers we should all leave Pettiti well enough alone. In effect, you called everybody who had a negative thing to say about Pettiti's performance a ***** for not taking Peppers on. I don't know how you can get more juvenile then taking a discussion about something completely divorced from anything personal and making a general insulting remark. Pretty childish if you ask me. My "stats" were meant to show just how ludicrous your call out was. Of course I couldn't take Peppers on, that's the whole point! Also, you must be a real bad *** if, as a grown *** man, you believe you can truck an 18 year old kid. Big man.

Finally, if you are so confident in Rob Pettiti, please, by all means, name one starting RT in the NFL that he is better than.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I suspect a merge - about 3 similar disgust with Petitti emerged at same time.

Thats at least 3 plays I saw where Rob lets his guy in free to kill Drew with at best a slight push.

Serious question: What EXACTLY is happening with him?

• Is it that he is a 6th rounder?
• or that he is a rookie?
• or he is not athletic?
• or all of the above?
• or all of the above and more?

 

[like a dog]

Serious question: What EXACTLY is happening with him?

• Is it that he is a 6th rounder?
• or that he is a rookie?
• or he is not athletic?
• or all of the above?
• or all of the above and more?

I believe the primary answer is the third bullet point, combined with the fact that he seems to lack focus.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We have a rookie from Pittsburgh that run blocks better than pass blocks. It has been a couple of years since Ive seen us run right with consistency.

If only Julius found the mojo last week.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I believe the primary answer is the third bullet point, combined with the fact that he seems to lack focus.

Calm down on the bullet point.

 

[Paniolo22]

First of all, it is not all that uncommon for a low round draft pick or even an undrafted free agent to step right in and be succesful in the NFL. Shane Olivea was a 7th round pick last year and was solid RT from the get go. Jerry Ball was an undrafted free agent and gave the Chargers two good years at C. It is not unreasonable to expect a basic level of play from an offensive lineman, even if he is a rookie.

It's not uncommon? Out of 250 O Linemen in the league, you gave 2 examples of success stories. Not my definition of uncommon. The number 2 pick in last years draft had a rough time being a right tackle last year.

 

[Reality]

Serious question: What EXACTLY is happening with him?

• Is it that he is a 6th rounder?
• or that he is a rookie?
• or he is not athletic?
• or all of the above?
• or all of the above and more?

.. or he's playing right tackle now after playing left tackle in college
.. or he's playing at a much lower weight now than he did in college

-Reality

 

[Rack]

.. or he's playing right tackle now after playing left tackle in college
.. or he's playing at a much lower weight now than he did in college

-Reality

.. Or he's just not very good.

 

[trickblue]

First of all, it is not all that uncommon for a low round draft pick or even an undrafted free agent to step right in and be succesful in the NFL. Shane Olivea was a 7th round pick last year and was solid RT from the get go. Jerry Ball was an undrafted free agent and gave the Chargers two good years at C. It is not unreasonable to expect a basic level of play from an offensive lineman, even if he is a rookie.

Secondly, I didn't say that your whole post was infantile, just the last line. In that line you implied that since nobody is "brave" enough to step up and take on Julius Peppers we should all leave Pettiti well enough alone. In effect, you called everybody who had a negative thing to say about Pettiti's performance a ***** for not taking Peppers on. I don't know how you can get more juvenile then taking a discussion about something completely divorced from anything personal and making a general insulting remark. Pretty childish if you ask me. My "stats" were meant to show just how ludicrous your call out was. Of course I couldn't take Peppers on, that's the whole point!

Finally, if you are so confident in Rob Pettiti, please, by all means, name one starting RT in the NFL that he is better then.

Interesting... I wasn't the one that brought up the term "infantile"... that would be you...

My point was that he is a rook... a learning rook... but yet, by your standards, he should be written off as a bust as a 6th rounder...

I have not, nor have I offered any, RT's that are better or worse than Rob, I merely said to give him a chance at learning a new postion in the NFL... he was LT at Pitt...

If that makes me "infantile" or "childish", then so be it...

"In effect" I did not call anyone that disagreed with me anything other than impatient... I did not say "*******", you put those words in my mouth...

In your argument, I could put your 6'5" 180 pound frame on the Dallas OL and you would excel... after all... you implied that was the case... did you not?

 

[Sarge]

Interesting... I wasn't the one that brought up the term "infantile"... that would be you...

My point was that he is a rook... a learning rook... but yet, by your standards, he should be written off as a bust as a 6th rounder...

I have not, nor have I offered any, RT's that are better or worse than Rob, I merely said to give him a chance at learning a new postion in the NFL... he was LT at Pitt...

If that makes me "infantile" or "childish", then so be it...

"In effect" I did not call anyone that disagreed with me anything other than impatient... I did not say "*******", you put those words in my mouth...

In your argument, I could put your 6'5" 180 pound frame on the Dallas OL and you would excel... after all... you implied that was the case... did you not?

Remember how Mark Tuineau started out? Perhaps worse.

Takes time.

 

[Hostile]

We have a rookie from Pittsburgh that run blocks better than pass blocks. It has been a couple of years since Ive seen us run right with consistency.

If only Julius found the mojo last week.

Run blocking, is that part of the package?

Hmm.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

You post on this board on how bad this guy is like it's his fault he went from 6th round draft pick to a starter. Where was the Cowboy brain-trust at to increase our depth considering we had extra cap space?

The Cowboy brai-trust counted on Jacob Rodgers who it was reported had a termendous off season and 1st part of training camp to take over the left side.
As all of us Zoners know he feel apart due to injuries or sissy traits or both according to teammates!

 

[CrazyCowboy]

First of all, it is not all that uncommon for a low round draft pick or even an undrafted free agent to step right in and be succesful in the NFL. Shane Olivea was a 7th round pick last year and was solid RT from the get go. Jerry Ball was an undrafted free agent and gave the Chargers two good years at C. It is not unreasonable to expect a basic level of play from an offensive lineman, even if he is a rookie.

Secondly, I didn't say that your whole post was infantile, just the last line. In that line you implied that since nobody is "brave" enough to step up and take on Julius Peppers we should all leave Pettiti well enough alone. In effect, you called everybody who had a negative thing to say about Pettiti's performance a ***** for not taking Peppers on. I don't know how you can get more juvenile then taking a discussion about something completely divorced from anything personal and making a general insulting remark. Pretty childish if you ask me. My "stats" were meant to show just how ludicrous your call out was. Of course I couldn't take Peppers on, that's the whole point! Also, you must be a real bad *** if, as a grown *** man, you believe you can truck an 18 year old kid. Big man.

Finally, if you are so confident in Rob Pettiti, please, by all means, name one starting RT in the NFL that he is better than.

[QUOTE]Finally, if you are so confident in Rob Pettiti, please, by all means, name one starting RT in the NFL that he is better than.[/QUOTE]

CrazyCowboy would like to submit the name--Colombo since the coach said he is not ready from what he showed in practice. Is that close?
:laugh1:

 

[Alexander]

Personally most of you sorta make me wanna snap...

You post on this board on how bad this guy is like it's his fault he went from 6th round draft pick to a starter. Where was the Cowboy brain-trust at to increase our depth considering we had extra cap space?

Does anyone afford Tucker the same leeway because he went from a undrafted free agent guard to a starter? Why is Petitti any different?

You ask any person familiar at all with the Cowboys before the start of the season what was the one starter we could least afford to lose outside of Bledsoe and my guess is that it would have been Flozell by a landslide.

Even if Adams were around, Petitti would still need help. His loss was unfortunate and only affected how much help we could give him. A truly legitimate NFL talent should not be allowing 10 plus sacks in a season when more times than most, he has received help blocking his man.

So what do we have for a reserve? Tucker? Does this make sense? And I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that Rob's play degenerated after Adams went down AND Petitti started getting nicked up.

His play was only acceptable because we could devote more help. Now that we have another tackle that needs help, he cannot get what he received earlier in the year and is being exposed. It is very simple.

Personally I think the kid still has potential and you give him an off-season to improve his strength and footwork he could be a very solid tackle.

Petitti himself has been quoted as stating his problems are mental mistakes. So the strength and footwork issues are in addition to that?

And those folks that have written him off already? Obviously you're so skilled at picking out talent in this league that I'm sure you're full-time scouts for some NFL team when you aren't sharing your wisdom with the rest of us.

I believe this is a pretty hypocritical response from you, Mr. Winicki.

You have made similar definitive statements about Bledsoe and wrote him off since the day he was signed. Are you a professional scout?

I think most fans, even laymen as we all are, can take a look at Petitti and see that he has issues. As bad as Tucker is this year, he is playing left tackle, the hardest position on the line after being first a guard in college and then right tackle in the pros. He gets the horns and so should Petitti. To me, they are both captains of the S.S. Mediocre and should be backups only.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Does anyone afford Tucker the same leeway because he went from a undrafted free agent guard to a starter? Why is Petitti any different?



Even if Adams were around, Petitti would still need help. His loss was unfortunate and only affected how much help we could give him. A truly legitimate NFL talent should not be allowing 10 plus sacks in a season when more times than most, he has received help blocking his man.



His play was only acceptable because we could devote more help. Now that we have another tackle that needs help, he cannot get what he received earlier in the year and is being exposed. It is very simple.



Petitti himself has been quoted as stating his problems are mental mistakes. So the strength and footwork issues are in addition to that?



I believe this is a pretty hypocritical response from you, Mr. Winicki.

You have made similar definitive statements about Bledsoe and wrote him off since the day he was signed. Are you a professional scout?

I think most fans, even laymen as we all are, can take a look at Petitti and see that he has issues. As bad as Tucker is this year, he is playing left tackle, the hardest position on the line after being first a guard in college and then right tackle in the pros. He gets the horns and so should Petitti. To me, they are both captains of the S.S. Mediocre and should be backups only.

Yes, I am a "Professional" hypocrit.

My statements concerning Bledsoe are and were based upon many years of observation... Petitti has not even played a full season. I think Rob should be given at least one more season to determine if he can "sink or swim".

BTW, I don't think I said anything negative about Tucker. I actually still think the guy has some potential...

 

[Alexander]

Yes, I am a "Professional" hypocrit.

My statements concerning Bledsoe are and were based upon many years of observation... Petitti has not even played a full season. I think Rob should be given at least one more season to determine if he can "sink or swim".

BTW, I don't think I said anything negative about Tucker. I actually still think the guy has some potential...

Right you are about Tucker.

But I was referring to the prevailing opinion here. Tucker does not get nearly the same amount of excuses or benefit of the doubt. And it is not hard to figure out why that is.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I do ask you what makes it so infantile... and it IS a point... he is a 6th rounder... do you regularly expect 6th rounders to make an impact year one?

Here is my point... you failed to grasp it... for a 6th rounder... rookie year... he has been solid. I fail to see what exactly you were expecting. A 6th out of Pitt... LT... that converted to RT... he has been solid...

I fail to see your "stats" as being relative... I am 6'1" 200... 42 years old... I have played football all of my life... so what...

Could I run you over still? Probably... so? I don't get your point...

Would you have been happy if he contributed 30 plays over the season? He contributed 30 plays TODAY... I really don't know what you expect... the kid has been pretty good IMHO... you don't have to like it, but it is a fact...

I would think that maybe you could appreciate his potential... and he has already been pretty good... year one, out of position... but I digress... you are the expert... all 6'5" 180 lbs of NFL OL that you are...

But when you have to depend on a 6th round pick at a very important postion is like sending that whole offensive or defensive unit out there to the wolves. As soon as Rogers went down who was playing RT? Tucker and Pettiti, BP didnt go out there and sign a guy like Verba or Chris Terry who were stop gap guys. And he still didnt do it after Flo went down. 6th round picks for us recently have been lucky to make the team, let alone start. We needed a reality check and here it is.

BP: Dont depend on players that have to switch postions, play a postion where the player affects the offense or defense, sign someone to start over him, hire a competent position coach, give him a year to get his act together.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Right you are about Tucker.

But I was referring to the prevailing opinion here. Tucker does not get nearly the same amount of excuses or benefit of the doubt. And it is not hard to figure out why that is.

You're 100% correct Tucker doesn't.

Tucker was a decent guard in college... and if he can't cut it as a full-time starter at tackle then I think the guy could be a decent inside player. Heck there are many guards in the NFL that can't be full-time tackles.