Ultimate Petitti Thread...

[Hostile]

Just curious Hos, why has Petitti already earned a roster spot next year and beyond. What has he did to day to justify your statement? I think the kid has potential and has to show signifigant improvement over the offseason, but clearly he has done nothing to date worthy of your statement.

I don't think he should be cut, but I don't think he has earned a spot for next year and beyond. The kid needs to prove himself in the offseason. He needs to get alot stronger. He needs to hit the film room to pick up on tendandcies. He needs to get a little nasiter (ie Erick Williams). He has a lot of work ahead of him. I hope he makes, but he needs to work overtime this offseason.

If you don't think he should be cut, why are you questioning my answer?

The original premise I responded to was that he does not deserve to wear a Cowboys jersey beyond next week. I find that naive.

Why wouldn't he be back next year? Jim will either get over this or he won't, but he is a rookie this year. A rookie who is going to start 16 games. You're going to tell me that is indicative of no shot at a job in 2006? By what logic? Because people here are upset that he is respected by some on this site?

I've heard all this doom and gloom before and am not impressed by the armchair GMs. Last week we had no less than 5 threads about how Barber is better than Julius Jones. My how the tune has changed. Ask me if I'm shocked.

Has Petitti been stellar in 2005? No, but he hasn't been near as bad as the weekly crap insists. If he was that bad he wouldn't start. Is he going to have bad games? Yes, and all rookie OL do. In fact, it isn't confined to rookies.

There has been constant over reaction to the OL all year. Some of it justified, some not. But I feel pretty safe in saying a rookie 16 game starter will wear a Cowboys jersey in 2006. That's why I said it and why I'll stick to that opinion.

 

[Jimz31]

If you don't think he should be cut, why are you questioning my answer?

The original premise I responded to was that he does not deserve to wear a Cowboys jersey beyond next week. I find that naive.

Why wouldn't he be back next year? Jim will either get over this or he won't, but he is a rookie this year. A rookie who is going to start 16 games. You're going to tell me that is indicative of no shot at a job in 2006? By what logic? Because people here are upset that he is respected by some on this site?

I've heard all this doom and gloom before and am not impressed by the armchair GMs. Last week we had no less than 5 threads about how Barber is better than Julius Jones. My how the tune has changed. Ask me if I'm shocked.

Has Petitti been stellar in 2005? No, but he hasn't been near as bad as the weekly crap insists. If he was that bad he wouldn't start. Is he going to have bad games? Yes, and all rookie OL do. In fact, it isn't confined to rookies.

There has been constant over reaction to the OL all year. Some of it justified, some not. But I feel pretty safe in saying a rookie 16 game starter will wear a Cowboys jersey in 2006. That's why I said it and why I'll stick to that opinion.

There's nothing for me to get over. In fact, I don't post about Petitti as often as most posters, but I get called-out because I see these people giving him a pass over Tucker and Rivera that normally wouldn't for obvious reasons.

If you would have read my earlier post on this thread, I am in agreement with you that he will be around next year and more than likely have many years as a Cowboy.

The ONLY thing that I did was show disgust in a player being a turnstile and seeing other guys get alot of blame when someone else was getting a pass....again for obvious reasons.

Again, like I said earlier, give it up with the "rookie" crap. A rookie QB is more understandable than a rookie lineman, but then again, is this more indicative of the player or BP's decision to make him the starter this year?

Geez, you act like I have some sort of vendetta against Pettiti....just because I have been disgusted with his play alot this year, doesn't mean that I have it in for him. That's how some of you guys may be, but holy cow, not everybody is like that.

Go back and read my earlier posts about him.....you would think that would be evident.

 

[Hostile]

There's nothing for me to get over. In fact, I don't post about Petitti as often as most posters, but I get called-out because I see these people giving him a pass over Tucker and Rivera that normally wouldn't for obvious reasons.

If you would have read my earlier post on this thread, I am in agreement with you that he will be around next year and more than likely have many years as a Cowboy.

The ONLY thing that I did was show disgust in a player being a turnstile and seeing other guys get alot of blame when someone else was getting a pass....again for obvious reasons.

Again, like I said earlier, give it up with the "rookie" crap. A rookie QB is more understandable than a rookie lineman, but then again, is this more indicative of the player or BP's decision to make him the starter this year?

Geez, you act like I have some sort of vendetta against Pettiti....just because I have been disgusted with his play alot this year, doesn't mean that I have it in for him. That's how some of you guys may be, but holy cow, not everybody is like that.

Go back and read my earlier posts about him.....you would think that would be evident.

I read them every week. Like a broken record. It's like you see the name and feel the need to comment.

If Dylan makes the team I wish you luck.

 

[Jimz31]

I read them every week. Like a broken record. It's like you see the name and feel the need to comment.

If Dylan makes the team I wish you luck.

He won't make the team....I already told what BP and DeHaven told him.....they wanna go with someone they have a history with...that is the way that it works with kickers in the NFL.

Why do you think that Cortez is still in the NFL?

Again, are you a players father...or even relative? Then defend him. If not, be honest in your evaluation of him.

If Dylan missed kicks like today and like Cundiff has been this year, would I be making excuses for him? Nope. That's the difference between me and other posters here. I'll call them how I see them. Sometimes there is no excuse...other times, they flow like water.

 

[Jimz31]

I read them every week. Like a broken record. It's like you see the name and feel the need to comment.

If Dylan makes the team I wish you luck.

Go back through all of the Petitti threads and see how many times that I have posted about him. It's been a recent affair for me as the transparency has really gotten to me.

 

[Hostile]

Go back through all of the Petitti threads and see how many times that I have posted about him. It's been a recent affair for me as the transparency has really gotten to me.

It has?

I'd have never guessed.

 

[Reality]

There's nothing for me to get over. In fact, I don't post about Petitti as often as most posters, but I get called-out because I see these people giving him a pass over Tucker and Rivera that normally wouldn't for obvious reasons.

I can't speak for everyone but I won't give Petitti a complete pass. That being said, I do give him more patience because he was thrust into a new position as a late round draft pick rookie. Tucker is in his second season and Rivera was paid a lot of money to perform at a much higher level. Of course I expect more from them and will scrutinize them more. Of course, I don't think Tucker has been that bad this year especially considering he played right tackle last year.

To me, right OT is the hardest of the two tackle positions to play because you are usually going against the other team's best DE. The fact that Petitti played left tackle in college, played at a MUCH higher weight level in college which means it took more to get around or move him then and was thrust into the position during training camp when Rogers wimped out has impressed me.

Does he make mistakes? Absolutely, and if we had a better option, he wouldn't be starting. Just like when Eli Manning played last year, a rookie will get schooled often during their first season but it can really payoff in the second season if they get to play and start their entire rookie season.

Now, next year .. if Petitti plays at the same level, then I promise you I will be right there with you wanting someone else to start. However, for now, I think he has done a decent job given all of the factors I listed before and the fact that he's having to protect one of the league's least mobile quarterbacks.

All of this being said, I blame Rivera and #52 (Yes, I know his name .. I just don't say it) for most of our line problems this year. Of course I should note that putting Gurode in there for Rivera against Carolina showed that #52 is not as bad when he has someone competent playing on both sides of him.

-Reality

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I still cant get a straight answer out of anyone who is so displeased with Petitti when I asked them what exactly did they expect with a 6th Round LT, making a switch to RT?

Most just side-step that question.

I was totally PO'ed when he got the false start on a freakin QB Sneak on 3rd and Inches, but overall I just didnt expect him to go out and BULLY the Kearses, Peppers, and Strahans of the world.

This guy has went up against some of the best past rushers in the business and one is a lock for the Hall of Fame.

I would like to find out the lineup Petitti has faced and compare with Rookies in similar situations.

 

[Jimz31]

I can't speak for everyone but I won't give Petitti a complete pass. That being said, I do give him more patience because he was thrust into a new position as a late round draft pick rookie. Tucker is in his second season and Rivera was paid a lot of money to perform at a much higher level. Of course I expect more from them and will scrutinize them more. Of course, I don't think Tucker has been that bad this year especially considering he played right tackle last year.

To me, right OT is the hardest of the two tackle positions to play because you are usually going against the other team's best DE. The fact that Petitti played left tackle in college, played at a MUCH higher weight level in college which means it took more to get around or move him then and was thrust into the position during training camp when Rogers wimped out has impressed me.

Does he make mistakes? Absolutely, and if we had a better option, he wouldn't be starting. Just like when Eli Manning played last year, a rookie will get schooled often during their first season but it can really payoff in the second season if they get to play and start their entire rookie season.

Now, next year .. if Petitti plays at the same level, then I promise you I will be right there with you wanting someone else to start. However, for now, I think he has done a decent job given all of the factors I listed before and the fact that he's having to protect one of the league's least mobile quarterbacks.

All of this being said, I blame Rivera and #52 (Yes, I know his name .. I just don't say it) for most of our line problems this year. Of course I should note that putting Gurode in there for Rivera against Carolina showed that #52 is not as bad when he has someone competent playing on both sides of him.

-Reality

It's not about me not wanting him to start. Would I like to see what one of the others could do? Yep. Don't see how it could be too much worse. BP's "trust" factor may be to blame here.

My point was ONLY about him getting a pass by posters that are normally harder on others for much less.

Again, he'll be on the team next year, probably starting. Do I expect him to be better and the excuses stop? Absolutely.

In fact, I may be more disappointed in Rivera than anybody else on the line.

It's not a personal thing that I have against Pettiti.....it's the excuses by those that are normally hard on a player that grate on me. THAT is the transparent part.

Don't BS it...either he played good or he played poorly. This is the NFL...man up and get it done....get mean. Don't play O'le (matador).

 

[Dough Boy]

If you don't think he should be cut, why are you questioning my answer?

The original premise I responded to was that he does not deserve to wear a Cowboys jersey beyond next week. I find that naive.

Why wouldn't he be back next year? Jim will either get over this or he won't, but he is a rookie this year. A rookie who is going to start 16 games. You're going to tell me that is indicative of no shot at a job in 2006? By what logic? Because people here are upset that he is respected by some on this site?

I've heard all this doom and gloom before and am not impressed by the armchair GMs. Last week we had no less than 5 threads about how Barber is better than Julius Jones. My how the tune has changed. Ask me if I'm shocked.

Has Petitti been stellar in 2005? No, but he hasn't been near as bad as the weekly crap insists. If he was that bad he wouldn't start. Is he going to have bad games? Yes, and all rookie OL do. In fact, it isn't confined to rookies.

There has been constant over reaction to the OL all year. Some of it justified, some not. But I feel pretty safe in saying a rookie 16 game starter will wear a Cowboys jersey in 2006. That's why I said it and why I'll stick to that opinion.

I guess you missed my orginal question to you. Why has Rob already earned a roster spot for next year and beyond? You are telling me his play this year has already earned him a spot for next year?

 

[Jimz31]

I still cant get a straight answer out of anyone who is so displeased with Petitti when I asked them what exactly did they expect with a 6th Round LT, making a switch to RT?

Most just side-step that question.

I was totally PO'ed when he got the false start on a freakin QB Sneak on 3rd and Inches, but overall I just didnt expect him to go out and BULLY the Kearses, Peppers, and Strahans of the world.

This guy has went up against some of the best past rushers in the business and one is a lock for the Hall of Fame.

I would like to find out the lineup Petitti has faced and compare with Rookies in similar situations.

I'll answer it....I personally expected him to give up some sacks, but not to the extent that he has.

I was pleased with him either last week or the week before (time flies) when all of our linemen were getting called for penalties, yet he wasn't and he was doing an OK job on his guy.

It's not him that I am harsh on as much as it is those that make excuses for him that are normally hard on other guys.

 

[Hostile]

I guess you missed my orginal question to you. Why has Rob already earned a roster spot for next year and beyond? You are telling me his play this year has already earned him a spot for next year?

Paragraphs 3, 5 and 6 answered this.

Or at least I thought they did. Make that think they do.

 

[Dough Boy]

I still cant get a straight answer out of anyone who is so displeased with Petitti when I asked them what exactly did they expect with a 6th Round LT, making a switch to RT?

The same thing I expect out the other 21 starters. I expect them to help Dallas win ball games. The fact that is a sixth rounder that is switching positions is not relevant. Other teams do not care about that. Should we expect less from one of our starters b/c he is hurt. B/c he is young. B/c he is right handed. No

I think Rob will grow into a good player, provided he makes strides in the offseason. But this year, he left a lot to be desired.

 

[trickblue]

He is, by far, the worst tackle I have ever seen in this league. THe man simply can't play at an NFL level. I have given him every chance and held out hope he would improve, but he gets worse and worse every game.

Is that shock value? or did you forget the [/sarcasm] code...

 

[like a dog]

Pettiti is horrible. He has the worst movement skills I have ever seen in an NFL tackle. Before Flozell's injury this was somewhat masked because he had one of the best blocking tightends in the NFL constantly helping him out. But now that they ask him to do what an NFL tackle is supposed to be able to do, he fails consistantly in every phase of the game. RT is by far the biggest weakness on this football team.

 

[Dough Boy]

You're going to tell me that is indicative of no shot at a job in 2006? By what logic?

I agree with this. But earlier you said he had already earned a roster spot for next year and beyond.

I think he should have a shot next year. Nothing guranteed is all I'm saying. I think the kid deserves a shot next year, no doubt about that. I like his heart. He keeps battling. The one thing I like about Rob, he gets up off the canvas and comes back to compete. He could have tucked his head between his legs like Tucker and emotionaly feel apart.

 

[Jimz31]

Let's give it a rest about him being the WORST tackle in the NFL. There are others that are pretty bad, but we pay attention to who is on our team.

Right now, RT is the weakest link, IMO, although I would be hard-pressed to say that I am happy with any of them.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

The same thing I expect out the other 21 starters. I expect them to help Dallas win ball games. The fact that is a sixth rounder that is switching positions is not relevant. Other teams do not care about that. Should we expect less from one of our starters b/c he is hurt. B/c he is young. B/c he is right handed. No

I think Rob will grow into a good player, provided he makes strides in the offseason. But this year, he left a lot to be desired.

I really think the Coaching staff is 80% or more to blame here. Why is not progressing? Why is he allowed to "hold the team hostage" with his poor play? Why was he drafted?

A Rookie Sixth round pick learning a new position is suppose to protect your Statue QB on a regular basis....Who the hell have confidence in that plan?

Now that is the guy we should be ripping up...

- Mike G.

 

[Hostile]

I agree with this. But earlier you said he had already earned a roster spot for next year and beyond.

I think he should have a shot next year. Nothing guranteed is all I'm saying. I think the kid deserves a shot next year, no doubt about that. I like his heart. He keeps battling. The one thing I like about Rob, he gets up off the canvas and comes back to compete. He could have tucked his head between his legs like Tucker and emotionaly feel apart.

Okay, let me say it this way then.

I'll be shocked if he isn't on this team for a long time. I simply don't agree with the assessments at all and it has nothing to do with his Father being a member here.

He's faced a nightmare lineup of DE's. He's played hurt. He's played a new position.

Has he been perfect? Of course not. But he's nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be or he'd be riding pine by now.

I'm just being consistent. I believe in the refiner's fire. Every lesson he's been taught by DEs this year is a chapter in a book. I think he's got potential.

Funny how early on in the year before he got beat up no one had negative things to say. Now after a couple of injuries and some games not as good as the start of the year and suddenly fingers are pointed.

 

[Dough Boy]

I really think the Coaching staff is 80% or more to blame here. Why is not progressing? Why is he allowed to "hold the team hostage" with his poor play? Why was he drafted?

A Rookie Sixth round pick learning a new position is suppose to protect your Statue QB on a regular basis....Who the hell have confidence in that plan?

Now that is the guy we should be ripping up...

- Mike G.

So if you say Coaching is 20% of the blame, who is accountable for the other 20%?

I think and hope Rob will develop into a Pro Bowler, but todate he has not played all that well.

Why is he not progressing? Could Rob be apart of the reason? I don't know - but clearly some blame goes with the player.

Why was he drafted? to come in and compete. many mediots gave him zero chance to make the team. Practice squad material was tossed around. I think it is a tribute that he made the team and has started for 15 games. It is also an indicment on the talent level of the O-Line. I do think Rob is the best we have to put out there at RT. That being said, he is just the best of the worst. I do think he will be a whole lot better next season once he gets a full offseason under his belt.