Vick accepts plea deal *merged*

[03EBZ06]

are you serious??????? you do realize that there is guys who rape little children that ive seen get 10 months...

Do you think that 10 months is equitable to that horrible crime? I don't and I don't believe you do either, if so, then punishment didn't fit the crime, right?

Should all the punishments be less than what it should be just because some of the punishment didn't fit the crimes?

 

[superpunk]

one difference is that hunting deer in their environment is not the same as having a dog that is caught and wounded and chained up be electrocuted. If the dogs were hunted in the wild that would be a better analogy.

I'd like to hunt homeless people.

They're technically "in the wild." Maybe we could start out with paintballs, and move up to rifles. Or maybe a high-velocity spudgun.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Here's to this being the LAST Mike Vick thread on this forum for a long, long, long time.

Really???

Why? Are you installing a special anti-Vick, anti-dog-killing Filter?

 

[WV Cowboy]

Honestly, what is the difference between Vick drowning/electrocuting a dog and some guy blowing a deer's head off in the woods?

Have you ever had a deer run to greet you when you come home?
Have you ever had a deer lay his head on your lap when you are sad?
Have you ever had a deer follow you around no matter where you go or how long you stay there?
Have you ever had a deer warn you from danger or protect you from trouble?
Have you ever had a deer choose to nap whereever you choose to nap, no matter where that happens to be in the house?

That is one of the differences. Dogs interact with man like no other animal.

Dogs are such an intelligent, rare animal, that centuries ago man invited them into their homes to live with their families!

Since then other animals have been domesticated as well, (cats, fish, hamsters, etc) but dogs are the No. 1 domesticated animal I am sure.

Whether all like it or not, or if they agree or not, dogs are very special and unique.

So comparing dogs to deer is a very weak argument. If some can't see or understand that, ... I suggest you get to know a dog.

 

[Sarge]

Honestly, what is the difference between Vick drowning/electrocuting a dog and some guy blowing a deer's head off in the woods? .

This isn't rocket science. I'll say it again. Drowning/hanging/electrocuting dogs is illegal. Hunting deer is legal and part of this culture for hundreds of years.

IMO, killing any animal sucks. I don't hunt and I don't condone it, but it is LEGAL, right or wrong (that's another argument) but right now - it's LEGAL.

So, you ask what is the difference...pretty simple. One is against the law and one is NOT. THAT is the difference.

Why hunting deer is legal and killings dogs is not is a whole different story and for the purposes of Michael Vick and his future, completely irrelevant.

He broke the law as it is now.

 

[JonJon]

one difference is that hunting deer in their environment is not the same as having a dog that is caught and wounded and chained up be electrocuted. If the dogs were hunted in the wild that would be a better analogy.

I understand where you are coming from and I do know that deer hunting is legal (with a license, of course), but still, torture or no torture, the end result is death to an animal. If a man is shot in the head, he gets the same punishment as a guy that kills another man by means of torture...it's still death.

All I am saying is that this all seems a little hypocritical...you can't kill a dog for sport but you can kill a deer for sport, when both should have the same rights to life as the other. That's like saying you can kill women if you have a license, but killing men is off limits...they are both human.

 

[iceberg]

Honestly, what is the difference between Vick drowning/electrocuting a dog and some guy blowing a deer's head off in the woods? Both the dog and deer cease to live because of actions caused by humans other than for the need to survive. Does not the deer have the same rights to life as the dog? So in that case, deer hunters need jail time too for taking the lives of innocent animals.

hey - i never said i was into hunting or defended it. but it *is* legal. if it bugged me enough i could always work to change the law vs. spend my time in vick threads making an anti-abortion plea.

if you *really* want me to think you're a hunter, grab a knife and "hunt" the deer. sneak up on it and take it on MANO e MANO and THAT'S hunting baby!

but mankind does has has to hunt to live. period. we don't have to kill dogs to live, do we?

no.

but put it together how ever you need to and get that great GM feeling by finding the one analogy that tied it all together for you.

 

[dacowboys]

Yes I'm serious.

as long as a dog isn't getting raped you could care less. right

 

[Nav22]

Yes.

More rope please.

2) That dog in your avatar looks tasty. I'd keep him in the house if I were you. I often crave midnight snacks.

OK, so we're all guilty of some sort of brutalization of animals. Now what? We are all just Mike Vick's to a lesser degree?

Call it what you want. There is great hypocrisy in CRUCIFYING Mike Vick for dog-fighting while the hunters and slaughterhouses get a free pass.

 

[Big Dakota]

Have you ever had a deer run to greet you when you come home?
Have you ever had a deer lay his head on your lap when you are sad?
Have you ever had a deer follow you around no matter where you go or how long you stay there?
Have you ever had a deer warn you from danger or protect you from trouble?
Have you ever had a deer choose to nap whereever you choose to nap, no matter where that happens to be in the house?

That is one of the differences. Dogs interact with man like no other animal.

Dogs are such an intelligent, rare animal, that centuries ago man invited them into their homes to live with their families!

Since then other animals have been domesticated as well, (cats, fish, hamsters, etc) but dogs are the No. 1 domesticated animal I am sure.

Whether all like it or not, or if they agree or not, dogs are very special and unique.

So comparing dogs to deer is a very weak argument. If some can't see or understand that, ... I suggest you get to know a dog.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Really???

Why? Are you installing a special anti-Vick, anti-dog-killing Filter?

Yeah, it's called moving them as soon as they appear in the Fan Zone.

 

[superpunk]

but mankind does has has to hunt to live.

This is incorrect. Maybe back in the day the Indians had to hunt during the winter, but it's not necessity anymore.

We just do it because we like it.

 

[iceberg]

***Warning***

Would not be wise to let your emotions get out of control and find yourself getting a vacation from the board because of some guy who plays for a team we don't follow.

Do not let your emotions get the best of you in these arguments. Do not make it personal.

On top of all of that if you get out of line you might get a visit from Winicki in his freak em outfit...

http://i18.***BLOCKED***/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/BabyRonald.gif

looks like a penguin dressed as a clown trying to get off cocaine.

 

[LittleD]

Here's the straight word guys.... The NFL doesn't really care about the dog fighting as much as you might seem. They care about the gambling and this is the reason that Michael Vick will ultimately receive a lifetime ban.... Gambling is a big no..no and he will be toast because of it.... Remember GAMBLING by players is BAD.... Any type of gambling....

 

[BruceWayne]

My only comment:

I'm glad it'll be over soon, so I'll no longer have to tolerate anymore Vick pissing matches. And w/the season upon us, I can focus on more football threads.

AAAAAAmen

 

[iceberg]

This is incorrect. Maybe back in the day the Indians had to hunt during the winter, but it's not necessity anymore.

We just do it because we like it.

tell 'em in remote regions where they do hunt and fish they can just belly up to the supermarket now.

to some it still is. and also, maybe it's cheaper for someone to hunt vs. shop.

i would say you're "partially" correct that i'm "partially" incorrect.

 

[Sarge]

2) That dog in your avatar looks tasty. I'd keep him in the house if I were you. I often crave midnight snacks.Call it what you want. .

.......................:jerk: .......................

 

[Big Dakota]

looks like a penguin dressed as a clown trying to get off cocaine.

:laugh2:

Is this the methadone clinic???

 

[cbfan55]

Have you ever had a deer run to greet you when you come home?
Have you ever had a deer lay his head on your lap when you are sad?
Have you ever had a deer follow you around no matter where you go or how long you stay there?
Have you ever had a deer warn you from danger or protect you from trouble?
Have you ever had a deer choose to nap whereever you choose to nap, no matter where that happens to be in the house?

That is one of the differences. Dogs interact with man like no other animal.

Dogs are such an intelligent, rare animal, that centuries ago man invited them into their homes to live with their families!

Since then other animals have been domesticated as well, (cats, fish, hamsters, etc) but dogs are the No. 1 domesticated animal I am sure.

Whether all like it or not, or if they agree or not, dogs are very special and unique.

So comparing dogs to deer is a very weak argument. If some can't see or understand that, ... I suggest you get to know a dog.

 

[trickblue]

If Vick is a monster for dog-fighting, your grand-pappy is a monster for deer hunting.

That's ALL Okay. You're right. Explain the difference to me.

I know dog-fighting's illegal and the others are legal. But explain to me why that reflects the MORALS we should all have, regarding these animals.

Explain to me why it's okay for me to go deer-hunting, but I can't buy a dog, set it loose in the woods, and go hunt it down and shoot it.

The difference is that dogs are domesticated animals/pets and are largely defenseless against human beings. They, by and large, are raised to be friends and companions.

Deer, like other wild animals, are classified as game. There are very strict penalties for harvesting wild game illegally. I live in an area amongst a large population of hunters. A great many of these sportsmen rely on fishing and hunting to supplement their families as the area by and large does not have a whole lot of high paying jobs.

Cattle are classified as livestock and are raised for largely one thing; food for humans. This area is also home to many farmers and ranchers. The animals are very well cared for and put down humanely and quickly when that time comes.

We are at the mercy of the laws of our land, and the laws of our land are largely set forth by the morals of the majority of the people.

In many instances in India, bovine are protected. In other countries dogs are ok to use for food.

Regardless of what we think, these are the laws in our country.