Video: Mayock's Top Five - CB/Safety

[Randy White]

The idea he is not a coveted player is kind of silly.

I agree, but not at safety.

I'd draft him in the first round and 5 minutes later, I'm telling him he needs to add 20-lbs of muscle to his frame because he's going to be my starting OLB in a 3-4 defense.

No way I'd leave him at safety. Not in this era.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Earl Thomas, Earl Thomas, then Earl THomas! He can play any position in the secondary.

 

[CATCH17]

Berry didn't deserve a lot of his 2009 awards. It was more like a career achievement on the Thorpe award.

Earl Thomas was the 2nd best db this year and Joe Haden shouldve won the Thorpe.

 

[Typhus]

Earl Thomas is a plug-n-play FS for this secondary if available at 27.

Gives this team an immidiate ball hawking upgrade that the secondary lacks, and is one of the only players that could be there that could start without a learning curve drop off.

At 5'11" and 199 lbs, he is a biscuit away from Ed Reed size but people are saying his size is his only negative...... laughable.

 

[VACowboy]

I'd have no qualms about selecting Allen or Wilson at #27.

 

[28 Joker]

Berry didn't deserve a lot of his 2009 awards. It was more like a career achievement on the Thorpe award.

Earl Thomas was the 2nd best db this year and Joe Haden shouldve won the Thorpe.

I wouldn't say Berry didn't deserve his awards in 2009. He got his due. Monty Kiffin cost Berry the NCAA INT return yards record by playing him in the box most of the time.

Check out Eric Berry VS Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State)

Jenkins won the 2008 Thorpe award with these stats:

34 Solo Tackles
23 Assisted Tackles
57 Total Tackles
1 Sack
3 INTS (For 7 yards total)

Who deserved the award in 2008?


Eric Berry, and he didn't get it.


In 2008, Berry had this:

44 Solo Tackles
28 Assisted Tackles
72 Total Tackles
3 Sacks
7 INTS (For 265 Return Yards)

Plus, Berry had a long fumble recovery against Alabama, that would have been a TD, called back on a bang, bang replay call that could have gone either way.

 

[CATCH17]

I wouldn't say Berry didn't deserve his awards in 2009. He got his due. Monty Kiffin cost Berry the NCAA INT return yards record by playing him in the box most of the time.

Check out Eric Berry VS Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State)

Jenkins won the 2008 Thorpe award with these stats:

34 Solo Tackles
23 Assisted Tackles
57 Total Tackles
1 Sack
3 INTS (For 7 yards total)

Who deserved the award in 2008?


Eric Berry, and he didn't get it.


In 2008, Berry had this:

44 Solo Tackles
28 Assisted Tackles
72 Total Tackles
3 Sacks
7 INTS (For 265 Return Yards)

Plus, Berry had a long fumble recovery against Alabama, that would have been a TD, called back on a bang, bang replay call that could have gone either way.

I can't recall all the top DB's in 2008 but in 2009 Eric Berry did not have the best season out of all the DB's in the country.

It was between Earl Thomas and Joe Haden and nobody came close to those 2 this past season.

 

[28 Joker]

I can't recall all the top DB's in 2008 but in 2009 Eric Berry did not have the best season out of all the DB's in the country.

It was between Earl Thomas and Joe Haden and nobody came close to those 2 this past season.

I can recall the best DB in 2008, because I saw all his games.

His name was Eric Berry. He has twin brothers that are on the rise, too.

I'm just saying thsi: Ask Monte Kiffin why he chose to play Berry in the box most of the year. It cost him an NCAA record for INT return yards.

Seeing that Berry was ripped off in 2008 for that award, it was some justice for him, imso.

Thomas and Haden are good looking players. I'm not denying their seasons or performance. I've seen enough of Haden to know what he has. The guy from Texas looks fast.

Mike Mayock needs to look at the 2008 Georgia game/2008 season and the 2007 season which, evidently, he hasn't done. He'll see Berry knock the living daylights out of Knowshon Moreno and nearly take a INT all the way to the house. He'll see him pick Tim Tebow 96 yards for a TD. He will watch Berry running back picks and fumbles. The 2007 South Carolina game was classic Berry.

You can play Berry deep where he is so dangerous, you can play him in the box and shut down big, elusive running backs, you can play him in the slot, or line him up on the corner.

Berry is the most talented, most versatile DB in the country. There is a reason he'll probably go #3 in the draft.

 

[CATCH17]

I can recall the best DB in 2008, because I saw all his games.

His name was Eric Berry. He has twin brothers that are on the rise, too.

I'm just saying thsi: Ask Monte Kiffin why he chose to play Berry in the box most of the year. It cost him an NCAA record for INT return yards.

Seeing that Berry was ripped off in 2008 for that award, it was some justice for him, imso.

Thomas and Haden are good looking players. I'm not denying their seasons or performance. I've seen enough of Haden to know what he has. The guy from Texas looks fast.

Mike Mayock needs to look at the 2008 Georgia game/2008 season and the 2007 season which, evidently, he hasn't done. He'll see Berry knock the living daylights out of Knowshon Moreno and nearly take a INT all the way to the house. He'll see him pick Tim Tebow 96 yards for a TD. He will watch Berry running back picks and fumbles. The 2007 South Carolina game was classic Berry.

You can play Berry deep where he is so dangerous, you can play him in the box and shut down big, elusive running backs, you can play him in the slot, or line him up on the corner.

Berry is the most talented, most versatile DB in the country. There is a reason he'll probably go #3 in the draft.

I would just rather have Earl Thomas because of where you can get him.

Im just not sold on Eric Berry as a superstar and if you're not a Superstar Ed Reed type of player than you shouldn't go top 5.

If he is than who ever picks him top 5 made the right choice but to me that is to much money to risk on a Safety being that good.

For me Earl Thomas has wayyyyy more value and imo has as much potential as Berry although I do feel Berry is more NFL ready come next September.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Berry didn't deserve a lot of his 2009 awards. It was more like a career achievement on the Thorpe award.

Earl Thomas was the 2nd best db this year and Joe Haden shouldve won the Thorpe.

Dude stop. Just seriously ****ing stop.

 

[CATCH17]

Dude stop. Just seriously ****ing stop.

Why? Was Berry the best DB in 2009? No....

 

[Cover 2]

Why? Was Berry the best DB in 2009? No....

Stats aren't everything.

 

[CATCH17]

Stats aren't everything.

And...?

He still wasn't the best DB in the 2009 season.

And Stats aren't everything but for College football awards they are 90% of it.

With that said, either way, Berry didn't touch Earl Thomas or Joe Haden in 2009 but was still given the Thorpe as a career achievement.

 

[Cover 2]

And...?

He still wasn't the best DB in the 2009 season.

And Stats aren't everything but for College football awards they are 90% of it.

With that said, either way, Berry didn't touch Earl Thomas or Joe Haden in 2009 but was still given the Thorpe as a career achievement.

Berry still has more potential than Thomas and Haden. He might not turn out as well as they do, but if I had to choose who would have the better pro career between those three I would choose Berry. The fact that Berry (a safety) would go before Haden (a corner) shows that he is a better prospect due to corners being rated higher. Also Berry will go way before Thomas because he's a more complete prospect.

Stats do play a large part in awards, but so does performance. Revis didn't have all the stats, but he is still regarded as the best corner. Woodson did have the stats though and did win the DPOY, but Revis is still regarded as the better player. I won't comment on whether or not Berry did deserve the Thorpe Award, but he is still a better prospect than the other two.

 

[CATCH17]

Berry still has more potential than Thomas and Haden. He might not turn out as well as they do, but if I had to choose who would have the better pro career between those three I would choose Berry. The fact that Berry (a safety) would go before Haden (a corner) shows that he is a better prospect due to corners being rated higher. Also Berry will go way before Thomas because he's a more complete prospect.

Stats do play a large part in awards, but so does performance. Revis didn't have all the stats, but he is still regarded as the best corner. Woodson did have the stats though and did win the DPOY, but Revis is still regarded as the better player. I won't comment on whether or not Berry did deserve the Thorpe Award, but he is still a better prospect than the other two.

I would probably choose Berry too just because he might be the safer pick but i'd rather have Earl Thomas and pay him pick 13 money than I would Eric Berry and pay top 5 money.

On top of that Haden is probably the smarter pick between all 3 because he is a corner and looks like one of the best coverage corners thats ever came out.

 

[Cover 2]

I would probably choose Berry too just because he might be the safer pick but i'd rather have Earl Thomas and pay him pick 13 money than I would Eric Berry and pay top 5 money.

On top of that Haden is probably the smarter pick between all 3 because he is a corner and looks like one of the best coverage corners thats ever came out.

I guess it would just depend on a team's financial situation. If the Cowboys had their choice of the two I would I'm sure Jerry would pay #3 money gladly for Berry. But if Bidwell had the choice I'm sure he would rather pay #13 money for Thomas. It just depends on the owner.

 

[VACowboy]

Haden is as good a corner as Berry is a safety, IMHO. If the team had equal need at each position, I'd take Haden. But I think the Dallas D is a playmaking FS away from domination, so I'd pick Berry if both were there at #27.

 

[stilltheguru]

If all you said was "overrated" you might be right for a change. You also said that you, "dont see whats so special about him" so you got an education. How you choose to use your new found knowledge is up to you, but for now, it seems I was right. You didn't get what he was saying.

so those awards make him special? you sound real stupid right now man. when i say i dont see whats so special about him that is me talking about what i see on the field. what the hell do those awards have to do with him being special genius?

 

[Hostile]

so those awards make him special? you sound real stupid right now man. when i say i dont see whats so special about him that is me talking about what i see on the field. what the hell do those awards have to do with him being special genius?

I told you all that he wouldn't get it. I knew it.

 

[stilltheguru]

I told you all that he wouldn't get it. I knew it.

whatever man, my stance is still the same. i dont see whats is so special about eric berry. top 5 pick? give me a break.