Wade speaks on Carp

[big dog cowboy]

Who's to say we didn't try.

Well that is true.

But everyone in the world knew we were going to pick Carp. I think the card will filled out ahead of time. Water under the bridge now I guess.

 

[theogt]

Thats I how read it.

He said Bobby didnt show him anything with his poor performance.

Translation: You are not on the field because you suck.

Is that perception correct, I dont know. Wade said himself sometimes coaches are wrong and Bobby will get a chance this weekend.

Translation: Bobby can thank the Bears for his "second chance game" and he has an opportunity to show the coaches that they are wrong and that he doesnt suck. Will Bobby take advantage of the situation?

He said he played bad in that one game. Other than that he's done everything right. You don't have to read anything into it. That's what he literally said.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He said he played bad in that one game. Other than that he's done everything right. You don't have to read anything into it. That's what he literally said.

He may have done everything right. He may work hard at practice, stay late watching film, study his playbook, ect...

I am not busting his balls here, I am just saying that if you are a first round pick and all you do is play special teams 2 yrs later, something is wrong.

Maybe the reason he cant get on the field is because the current starters are just simply better?

 

[Bluefin]

Wade Phillips mentioned that Kevin Burnett is playing well in the nickel and that has kept Bobby Carpenter off that unit.

Isn't it actually the fact that the coaches decided to remove Roy Williams from safety in the nickel and play him at linebacker to keep him out of deep coverage that cost Carp his projected role on the team this season?

 

[Nors]

Players with no role are not long to a team in the NFL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In regards to Drew... you are talking stats. I am talking direct impact contributions. It didnt happen until THAT playoff game.

Anyways.

In case you thought I was raggin on Carp. I wasnt. I actually hope he shows something when given the opp in playoffs.

Umm a hit or an RBI or a walk are all contributions AND stats. Thats why baseball is so easy to project statistically. Heck he even hit a game winner or two during his slump. If youre just going by hits in high leverage situations then Im not sure what youre point is.

And i know you werent ragging on Carp.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Umm a hit or an RBI or a walk are all contributions AND stats. Thats why baseball is so easy to project statistically. Heck he even hit a game winner or two during his slump. If youre just going by hits in high leverage situations then Im not sure what youre point is.

And i know you werent ragging on Carp.

My POINT is.... which I made in my first post.... he finally made a contribution when it counted. Period.

 

[Bluefin]

Bobby Carpenter bounced around as a rookie but really started to come on at the end of the season, so we aren't talking about a player without talent, IMO.

A new staff comes in and moves him back inside, which is a completely different game and everywhere we look there are veterans ahead on the depth chart.

Carp has kept his mouth shut and done everything asked of him, I hope he plays well this Sunday.

Some players, Bradie James, cough, cough, just need more time than others.

Depth is never a bad thing.

 

[Rack]

Dunno.

But it would affect his playing performance.





I was with you on the Carpenter debates leading up to the draft.....and I still think Carpenter will develop into a good player for us. I think that starting him at OLB, moving him to ILB, back to OLB following Ellis' injury, back to ILB this season.....has slowed his development.

Man, I always get Effect and Affect mixed up.

Agreed with the last part. Maybe if they'd leave him at ONE position, he might be able to win a starting spot?

Funny Wade didn't mention that he moved Carp during training camp just like he (Carp) was moved around last year.

Here's what he said word for word:

I think he expected Bobby to overtake Bradie going into this preseason like many of us did. But Bradie lost the weight and played extremely well -- the best football of his career. And Bobby just couldn't justify taking his spot, especially playing poorly as he did. But I think Bobby's going to make a real go at Ayodele's spot next season.

As for not working him in defensive packages, the additional packages we've added throughout the season have been more pass-oriented, removing linebackers from the field, not adding them. So there's really not been anything added where Bobby could have possibly contributed, even if he was playing lights out.

I'm not convinced Burnett is sturdy enough to be an every down 3-4 ILB.

Agreed. I like the way KB plays too. He's our most athletic ILB, but he can't hold up as a fulltime starter.

Drew got hot in the middle of August and had an OPS around 1.000 for the remainder of the season leading into the playoffs.

Carp was hurt in that audition, he plays and works hard and played well for 4+ games last season including a playoff game.

Ive seen the guy play well as have others. I seriously doubt that he just lost that and the fact that he has worked his backside on ST instead of moping should tell a lot about his character.

I have never understood why people literally attempt to will him to fail.

On the freakin' money.

I understand we drafted Carp in the 1st round, however, it doesn't mean he has to start within a year or two. On top of that, it should not mean he isn't a good football player.

We don't have to start him within a year or two because there are players right now that out performs him at this stage of his career. Lets look at the linebacker position. Bradie, Ware, Ellis, Burnett ... and the list goes on. We're stacked.

But do not doubt his playing ability, he is good. Look at him in the Seattle game, the dude was all over the field. So relax guys, we're winning football games, the change is not needed yet. - Hong

Who in the next 10-15 picks would be starting had we picked them?

The only player I would have taken would have been Cromartie (hindsight is great). But Cromartie still wouldn't be starting for us. But it would be nice to have him out there instead of Reeves.

He may have done everything right. He may work hard at practice, stay late watching film, study his playbook, ect...

I am not busting his balls here, I am just saying that if you are a first round pick and all you do is play special teams 2 yrs later, something is wrong.

Maybe the reason he cant get on the field is because the current starters are just simply better?

And? How does that mean Carp "Sucks"?

So I guess Barry Sanders "Sucked" at OSU, then after Thurman Thomas left to the NFL he (Sanders) magically became good?

It is possible for a backup to not be as good as the starters, yet still be good.

What a freakin' concept, huh?

 

[dallasfan]

Who in the next 10-15 picks would be starting had we picked them?

19.) Antonio Cromartie-it's debatable, but he'd definately would see more time than Carpenter.
25.) Santanio Holmes-Terry Glenn would've been placed on IR and this offese would probably be just as good as NE.
30.) Joseph Addai-Yeah he'd start over Barber and we wouldn't worry about taking a RB now
33.) DeMeco Ryans-Probably would start over Ayodele, definately would be ahead of Carpenter if he was here with Carp.

 

[TheCount]

Addai is who I would have said also. If we didn't like who was there, we should have traded down.

Antonio Cromatie

 

[dallasfan]

The only player I would have taken would have been Cromartie (hindsight is great). But Cromartie still wouldn't be starting for us. But it would be nice to have him out there instead of Reeves.

Granted hindsight is 20/20, you wouldn't want Santonio Holmes or Addai? I figured those were no brainers.

 

[Rack]

Granted hindsight is 20/20, you wouldn't want Santonio Holmes or Addai? I figured those were no brainers.

I don't like Holmes. He's, at best, a #2 WR. IMO, more of a 3rd WR. He's been solid this year, but I think he's more a product of that great running game opening up the play action pass.

Addai is overrated. He's solid, but his stats are inflated being one of the last offensive weapons defenses have to prepare for when facing the Colts. Manning and the colts' passing game (and their multiple recieving weapons) are a MUCH bigger threat to defenses then Addai. Addai is extremely lucky to be playing in Indy.

IMO, he's not better then MB3. Imagine the stats Barber would put up playing in that offense...


Now, I will say those would be solid options other then Carp, but neither would be starters in Dallas IMO.

 

[Rampage]

Antonio Cromatie

that kid has to be in the top 3 for dpoy if not thE dpoy

 

[InmanRoshi]

At some point some people might have to acknowledge that Bradie James is just a really good football player. He may never be an internet messageboard or fan favorite (for whatever little that's worth), but he's sure been the coaches' favorite dating all the way back to college, and we're talking about coaches who have a stellar and extensive track record of working with linebackers in the NFL.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't think there was ever an official 40 time on the kid in 2007. He DID NOT run at the combine because of injury and i doen't remember one and can't find one from any Cowboys workouts with IS. My bet is Draft Scout got these from UW from some spring 2006 40 times he ran. Just a guess.

Stanback has said repeatedly that he's never ran an official 40 time. Internet draft sites and magazines just pull numbers out of their arse to fill a blank space where no actual number exists. The resident board troll just keeps posting it because he knows someone will take the troll bait.

 

[Zaxor]

While I R E A L L Y want Carp to succeed here... I don't think the changing positions is enough of an excuse for his poor play...and when he did well last year weren't we using more of a 4-3 look... though technically a 3-4... we were in a 4 man front alot (if I remember correctly)...I think Carp is being wasted in a 3-4 scheme and should play in a 4-3 were I think he would be a pretty solid OLB...I don't think he stands much of a chance here in Dallas as long as we are a 3-4...imho

 

[eduncan22]

Stanback has said repeatedly that he's never ran an official 40 time. Internet draft sites and magazines just pull numbers out of their arse to fill a blank space where no actual number exists. The resident board troll just keeps posting it because he knows someone will take the troll bait.

You'd have everyone believe that Stanback is faster than Newman and Reeves...even faster than T.O.

Maybe the kid just has 4.5 speed.

 

[JPM]

You'd have everyone believe that Stanback is faster than Newman and Reeves...even faster than T.O.

Maybe the kid just has 4.5 speed.

And you'd have everyone believing he runs a 4.58, Henry is no good, and Reeves is all-world.

 

[Rack]

While I R E A L L Y want Carp to succeed here... I don't think the changing positions is enough of an excuse for his poor play...and when he did well last year weren't we using more of a 4-3 look... though technically a 3-4... we were in a 4 man front alot (if I remember correctly)...I think Carp is being wasted in a 3-4 scheme and should play in a 4-3 were I think he would be a pretty solid OLB...I don't think he stands much of a chance here in Dallas as long as we are a 3-4...imho

What "Poor play" do you speak of?

And we only used the 4-3 look in ONE game last year (Lions). So there goes that "Theory".