Walking Dead Season 7 **merged**

[TellerMorrow34]

Well...I liked it. I like the character (Tara, not Heath. Who cares about Heath.)

I'll disagree with others who feel the episode didn't help inform her character further. It communicated she's not above keeping things from the group in Alexandria. While last episode showed Enid going from self-loathing loner to finally seeing the Alexandria people as her family, and Maggie taking on the mantle of leader, this episode shows Tara maybe diverging from Alexandria and coming to terms with the possibility that she's not as connected to her people as she thought. Her connection to Alexandria was Glenn and Denise and maybe Eugene. That's substantially changed. We'll see if she keeps the secret longer than one episode.

Random thoughts...

I've been wondering about what the zombie apocalypse looks like near the coast. Seemed like a no brainer as far as setting up somewhere.

• Plenty of water and food (mmm Chesapeake blue crabs).
• Got the bay at your back, so at least you know walkers aren't coming at you from that direction.
• Walkers don't do well with water.
• Travel by boat instead of scrounging up gasoline.
• Generally more sparsely populated than cities/suburbs.

Seems pretty illogical to stay inland unless you are going for mountain terrain. Much of the entire history of human civilization prioritized building near a body of water, but Team Grimes prefers to hang out near I-95 after a zombie apocalypse.

Total guess, but I'm thinking Cindy's mom is not dead. According to the women at the dinner table, the males over age 10 were killed but they said they "lost others" rather than saying they too were killed. Sounds like some people were rightfully intimidated by the killing of the males and chose to stay behind as earners.

As far as characters being a bad shot, that's called television. They're bad until the plot calls for them to be good, then every bullet fired is a kill shot.

Also, the show indicated the women did not steal the guns. They found this hunting area and the guns/supplies were there.

If Cindy's grandmother wasn't the leader of this new group, seems like Cindy would have been killed long ago. She's consistently putting them at risk.

Rachel...learn to spit. You're terrible at it. Weak.

Show seems to be saying Heath's hair makes him look like a woman from behind. I'm thinking Heath was taken by Saviors and that key card Tara found can get Rick's group into Negan's compound. Although she probably sat on it and now it now longer works.

Nice write up. Good job.

I hadn't thought about the idea being that she is finding herself less connected to her group because of those deaths. Good point.

I missed, somehow, the comment about the hunting area but it's another one of their explanations that I simply do no believe. What they told Tara simply doesn't jive for me with the way The Saviors are. I don't buy what they're selling.


I've seen people mentioning that Tara and that girl have hit it off. I don't think it's even remotely in a romantic way. Tara is an adult, I'm thinking supposed to be near her thirties, and the girl Cindy is a child. She isn't more than 14 or 15. I doubt, very seriously, they're going anywhere near a relationship with her and Tara.

Quite honestly that seems like some very weird thought process that "Oh she's lesbian. Stick her with the young teenage girl in the new community." She is a lesbian woman, that is part of who she is, it's not entirely who she is.

 

[Stryker44]

Nice write up. Good job.

I hadn't thought about the idea being that she is finding herself less connected to her group because of those deaths. Good point.

I missed, somehow, the comment about the hunting area but it's another one of their explanations that I simply do no believe. What they told Tara simply doesn't jive for me with the way The Saviors are. I don't buy what they're selling.


I've seen people mentioning that Tara and that girl have hit it off. I don't think it's even remotely in a romantic way. Tara is an adult, I'm thinking supposed to be near her thirties, and the girl Cindy is a child. She isn't more than 14 or 15. I doubt, very seriously, they're going anywhere near a relationship with her and Tara.

Quite honestly that seems like some very weird thought process that "Oh she's lesbian. Stick her with the young teenage girl in the new community." She is a lesbian woman, that is part of who she is, it's not entirely who she is.

She looks in her 20s, not 14-15. The other girl who wanted to girl her is the one who looks younger.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Nice write up. Good job.

I hadn't thought about the idea being that she is finding herself less connected to her group because of those deaths. Good point.

I missed, somehow, the comment about the hunting area but it's another one of their explanations that I simply do no believe. What they told Tara simply doesn't jive for me with the way The Saviors are. I don't buy what they're selling.


I've seen people mentioning that Tara and that girl have hit it off. I don't think it's even remotely in a romantic way. Tara is an adult, I'm thinking supposed to be near her thirties, and the girl Cindy is a child. She isn't more than 14 or 15. I doubt, very seriously, they're going anywhere near a relationship with her and Tara.

Quite honestly that seems like some very weird thought process that "Oh she's lesbian. Stick her with the young teenage girl in the new community." She is a lesbian woman, that is part of who she is, it's not entirely who she is.

So, Tara and Spencer start the revolt against or at least not with Rick?



Which part? The part of killing all males over 10?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

She looks in her 20s, not 14-15. The other girl who wanted to girl her is the one who looks younger.

Maybe. I didn't think she looked even close to that old either. But I could be wrong in what they're going for there. That girl doesn't look even close to 20 for me, let alone in her 20's.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

So, Tara and Spencer start the revolt against or at least not with Rick?



Which part? The part of killing all males over 10?

That's one part. Negan doesn't just go in and kill all the males. As he makes it painfully obvious he wants people to work for him. No way is he ordering the death of all the men in a group just to prove a point. If it went that far, he'd kill the whole group. Pretty simple with Negan.

But the other part is that lets say, for whatever reason, with that group they went off the regular path of how they handle groups and did kill all the men. Do you think Negan would just be okay with the women sneaking off and being gone for good? They've already shown with Dwight, his wife, and sister in law and with the friend of Dwight's that he killed a couple weeks ago that Negan is not one to just let someone leave and be gone.

If those women had snuck away from the Saviors then the Saviors would be after them and they would, without question, find them. So nothing that the women told Tara adds up for me.

 

[Stryker44]

Rachel is the teenager right?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That's one part. Negan doesn't just go in and kill all the males. As he makes it painfully obvious he wants people to work for him. No way is he ordering the death of all the men in a group just to prove a point. If it went that far, he'd kill the whole group. Pretty simple with Negan.

But the other part is that lets say, for whatever reason, with that group they went off the regular path of how they handle groups and did kill all the men. Do you think Negan would just be okay with the women sneaking off and being gone for good? They've already shown with Dwight, his wife, and sister in law and with the friend of Dwight's that he killed a couple weeks ago that Negan is not one to just let someone leave and be gone.

If those women had snuck away from the Saviors then the Saviors would be after them and they would, without question, find them. So nothing that the women told Tara adds up for me.

Good points.

And there could be a sub-story that comes out that refutes what the ladies told Tara... OR...

Maybe it was a rogue element within the Saviors.

Remember "Timmy & the little dick brigade" or whatever Negan called them LOL.

They were going to kill Daryl, Abraham and Sasha, before Daryl killed them with the RPG.

Or maybe the Oceanside group did something heinous to some of Negan's folks and this was a revenge-wipeout... I dunno. Maybe we'll get more of the story and maybe we won't.

But the big take-a-ways for me with this episode was the stash of guns the ladies have and the key card which both could figure prominently.

 

[maxdogg]

Show seems to be saying Heath's hair makes him look like a woman from behind. I'm thinking Heath was taken by Saviors and that key card Tara found can get Rick's group into Negan's compound.

I agree man. I saw the theory that on the card was PPP standing for Negans famous line pee pee pants.So yeah it will get them in there.

 

[Leadbelly]

I agree man. I saw the theory that on the card was PPP standing for Negans famous line pee pee pants.So yeah it will get them in there.

lol. Hadn't caught that explanation for PPP.

My thought is PPP refers to something around the Potomac River. It's the river running along the border of northern VA and southwestern DC. If Alexandria and Hillside are in the vicinity of Arlington or Alexandria VA, and Ezekiel's Kingdom is in SE DC, that would suggest Negan could be somewhere near Potomac Park.

East Potomac Park is an island where the Jefferson Memorial is. It would be a very defensible spot from zombies or enemies. There's also Potomac Parkway that intersects Pennsylvania Ave, so maybe PPP = Potomac Park at the Penn Ave entrance. Or maybe something with the Pentagon.

Potomac Park *something* - Promenade? Point? Police Station? Panera Bread? Just guessing. The Potomac Park area looks nothing like where Daryl was though.

 

[Leadbelly]

Rachel is the teenager right?

Rachel is the kid who spit as Tara was leaving the camp and Tara then gave her a middle finger.

 

[Leadbelly]

Nice write up. Good job.

I hadn't thought about the idea being that she is finding herself less connected to her group because of those deaths. Good point.

I missed, somehow, the comment about the hunting area but it's another one of their explanations that I simply do no believe. What they told Tara simply doesn't jive for me with the way The Saviors are. I don't buy what they're selling.


I've seen people mentioning that Tara and that girl have hit it off. I don't think it's even remotely in a romantic way. Tara is an adult, I'm thinking supposed to be near her thirties, and the girl Cindy is a child. She isn't more than 14 or 15. I doubt, very seriously, they're going anywhere near a relationship with her and Tara.

Quite honestly that seems like some very weird thought process that "Oh she's lesbian. Stick her with the young teenage girl in the new community." She is a lesbian woman, that is part of who she is, it's not entirely who she is.

Yeah, I don't think they're telling the whole truth either. There's more to the story (though hopefully not a lot more). Seems plausible they were Saviors at one point or had enough dealings with the Saviors to know how to escape.

Also agree on the relationship between Cindy and Tara being 100% platonic. Cindy is just at an age where she would be developing her independence. She apparently goes off alone to explore away from her camp. She speaks out against the camp's leader/her grandmother. She's probably very bored, living this monotonous life. Doesn't seem like there's even much zombie action. Then some mysterious stranger washes up on shore. Tara is a peek at life outside Oceanside.

From Tara's side, she's alive because of Cindy. She is also seeing this stable, matriarchal society that lives in relative peace and solitude. That probably has an appeal to her, perhaps as a lesbian and a woman, but more likely as just a person who might not be loving the pre-emptive self defense policies her group employs.

Cindy is someone who was nice to Tara so Tara is nice back. Just two Fonzies being cool to each other.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah, I don't think they're telling the whole truth either. There's more to the story (though hopefully not a lot more). Seems plausible they were Saviors at one point or had enough dealings with the Saviors to know how to escape.

Also agree on the relationship between Cindy and Tara being 100% platonic. Cindy is just at an age where she would be developing her independence. She apparently goes off alone to explore away from her camp. She speaks out against the camp's leader/her grandmother. She's probably very bored, living this monotonous life. Doesn't seem like there's even much zombie action. Then some mysterious stranger washes up on shore. Tara is a peek at life outside Oceanside.

From Tara's side, she's alive because of Cindy. She is also seeing this stable, matriarchal society that lives in relative peace and solitude. That probably has an appeal to her, perhaps as a lesbian and a woman, but more likely as just a person who might not be loving the pre-emptive self defense policies her group employs.

Cindy is someone who was nice to Tara so Tara is nice back. Just two Fonzies being cool to each other.

I am not sure that they are not telling the whole truth.
The bunch seems severely traumatized and scared.
What could they be hiding?

I think Cindy sees Tara as "more". Meaning she can tell Tara has something other than just hiding and surviving.

I don't Tara looked at all woman sanctuary as a end all be all. Amazon woman planet.

Tara knows community should be all kinds ... male and female... young and old and breeding.

 

[MileyDancer]

I've missed the last 3 episodes. I bet I can pretty much tell you exactly what happened. Am I right?

 

[LocimusPrime]

That's one part. Negan doesn't just go in and kill all the males. As he makes it painfully obvious he wants people to work for him. No way is he ordering the death of all the men in a group just to prove a point. If it went that far, he'd kill the whole group. Pretty simple with Negan.

But the other part is that lets say, for whatever reason, with that group they went off the regular path of how they handle groups and did kill all the men. Do you think Negan would just be okay with the women sneaking off and being gone for good? They've already shown with Dwight, his wife, and sister in law and with the friend of Dwight's that he killed a couple weeks ago that Negan is not one to just let someone leave and be gone.

If those women had snuck away from the Saviors then the Saviors would be after them and they would, without question, find them. So nothing that the women told Tara adds up for me.

Neegan loves killing men, but he likes to keep women around for his harem. Out of ricks group, he killed two men, then he kept on asking about Maggie (trying to add to his harem).

Neegan could very well be looking for the women, but just haven't found them yet. Heck he didn't even know about Alexandria until Rick& co killed everyone at the Station. Neegan also didn't know about the governor or the cannibals either (these groups where further away though).

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Good points.

And there could be a sub-story that comes out that refutes what the ladies told Tara... OR...

Maybe it was a rogue element within the Saviors.

Remember "Timmy & the little dick brigade" or whatever Negan called them LOL.

They were going to kill Daryl, Abraham and Sasha, before Daryl killed them with the RPG.

Or maybe the Oceanside group did something heinous to some of Negan's folks and this was a revenge-wipeout... I dunno. Maybe we'll get more of the story and maybe we won't.

But the big take-a-ways for me with this episode was the stash of guns the ladies have and the key card which both could figure prominently.

Agreed on the key card and the guns. I do think there is a possibility of a rogue group within the Saviors. It's the one possibility that I do believe could happen.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Neegan loves killing men, but he likes to keep women around for his harem. Out of ricks group, he killed two men, then he kept on asking about Maggie (trying to add to his harem).

Neegan could very well be looking for the women, but just haven't found them yet. Heck he didn't even know about Alexandria until Rick& co killed everyone at the Station. Neegan also didn't know about the governor or the cannibals either (these groups where further away though).

Yeah he loves to kill men. No one doubts that.

But he doesn't wipe out entire groups of men, unless he's wiping out the entire group in general. It doesn't make any sense for him or what he's doing. He was very matter of fact that he didn't even want to kill Abraham or Glenn. While he doesn't mind doing it, it doesn't bother him and he absolutely will do it to show that he will and how things are he'd prefer not to.

He wants everyone to be working for him and anyone he kills is one less person to potentially find stuff for him. Even within the comic, where he's clearly having a good time doing the killing he doesn't really want to do those things and would prefer to not have to. He's willing to. It doesn't bother him to do it. But he if he can just get people to start working for him without having to kill people that's what he would prefer. Negan sees the killing, and showing of force, as necessary when people will not fall in line. Like Rick's group killing some of his people, and then killing more that he sent for killing the first set. He was only going to kill Abraham to show them that he would not allow such things to go unpunished. Of course Glenn happened because of Daryl hitting him and, again, forcing his hand to show that he's not lying or playing around. He will kill them, even if he would rather not have to.

Now you could be right about how he just hasn't found them yet. It does appear that he's smart enough not to venture too terribly far out of the general area that he is in between Alexandria, The Kingdom, the Hilltop, and his own compound. So that would explain why he hadn't been near Woodbury, or the Prison, or found the women out there on the Oceanside yet. Good catch and point there.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Carl & Negan...

Good episode. One of the better in the last couple seasons.

Negan still talks too much but at least a couple times he got off his soap-box and sounded like a regular person.

If the writers had screwed this up, they were going to screw up some of the better source material in the entire graphic novel.

The graphic novel version of Negan is a powerfully built bully. The TV Negan is a more of a psychopath... Kind of a "Ted Bundy" who loves playing mind games.

The way the two "Carl" come off was interesting also. The graphic novel Carl is younger than the TV version and was much more weepy.

Also the in the graphic novel Carl's injury is far more gruesome.

Again, I enjoyed the episode. It set the stage for the next set of episodes.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Carl & Negan...

Good episode. One of the better in the last couple seasons.

Negan still talks too much but at least a couple times he got off his soap-box and sounded like a regular person.

If the writers had screwed this up, they were going to screw up some of the better source material in the entire graphic novel.

The graphic novel version of Negan is a powerfully built bully. The TV Negan is a more of a psychopath... Kind of a "Ted Bundy" who loves playing mind games.

The way the two "Carl" come off was interesting also. The graphic novel Carl is younger than the TV version and was much more weepy.

Also the in the graphic novel Carl's injury is far more gruesome.

Again, I enjoyed the episode. It set the stage for the next set of episodes.

I really enjoyed last nights episode. I'm glad they didn't mess this part up because I feel like it's very important to the development of the Carl character and there are some glimpses in there of Negan not being the completely terrible ******* that he normally portrays himself as.

I loved that a great deal of the dialogue was straight out of the graphic novel. That was just really great.

I agree the injury is way worse in the book as well, and heck looked a lot worse when he first had it happen to him. I was definitely expecting it too look a lot worse than it did last night. I also thought the 'Iron' moment would be a lot more gruesome than it was as well, cause it's far worse in the graphic novel as well.

That said can someone explain to me why Negan can say ***** on TV but he can't say ****? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. lol



Now last nights show left me with a few questions, obviously.

1 - Who is helping Daryl? Was that a move by Dwight? Was it Jesus? If it wasn't Jesus where did he go when he disappeared off the top of the truck?

2 - Did Daryl leave? It obviously didn't address this in the episode just left you wondering if he did or not.

3 - I think last nights episode may have answered the question on where Rick's group is going to get guns. If this boat has a stash, as claimed on the sign, then Rick and his people will be armed from this, and the Oceanside people won't be used again.

But that also begs the question. If there really is all these weapons on that boat...why haven't The Saviors found this place yet? How have they not found it since they're all over that area? Pretty lucky for Rick and Aaron.

4 - What the hell is Michionne (I can't remember how to spell her name) doing? She is going to get herself, or others, killed. As is that idiot Rosita. 1 bullet? You're a moron. You're going to get people killed for a chance you're no doubt going to fail at. I actually am hoping Eugene made her a dud so that she doesn't get herself killed. This woman is so stupid.

Also Negan being at Alexandria waiting on Rick is a bit early. This has deviated a bit from the graphic novel, which obviously isn't a big deal, but it does make me wonder how they're going to handle this.

At this point I expect Spencer will die, much like he did in the comic. I believe he's going to try and go make a deal with Negan, undermine Rick, and Negan will kill him for it. The weird things for me in this is what will Rosita be doing at this time? Is this where she'll take her ******* shot?

Also in the graphic novel this is where Rick sets up the ambush and first attack of Negan (Well he does when Negan is there waiting on him I mean) except that in the graphic novel Negan is waiting for him cause he's there with some of his men for their next delivery. He thinks Rick is out scavenging for him but at that point Rick is actually out with Jesus getting the Hilltop and Kingdom ready for the War.

So this is very interesting to me the way they're going with this. It also makes me kind of sad because it appears now that they're going to cut out the part where Negan and Rick meet in the road (While Rick is headed with Jesus toward the compound to get Carl, and Negan is on his way to bring Carl back unharmed) and kind of get into a bit of a funny fight.

Negan uses it to mess with Rick, allowing him to think he's done something to Carl, to which Rick attacks him and they fight and Rick even bites Negan. Which is hilarious. I am guessing that scene will have to be cut out at this point.

I hope they are able to pull this off in a very interesting way cause this seems very different to the graphic novel but I think, with this part of the story line, that's actually a good thing.

 

[blindzebra]

I really don't see a softer side to Negan. What he's doing is manipulation .

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I really don't see a softer side to Negan. What he's doing is manipulation .

Oh he's extremely manipulative.

But there was a very brief moment or two when he wasn't Negan the terrible.