Ware Release: has the Organization Changed? ***Ware Mega Merge-place all Ware threads here please***

[Don Corleone]

Ask not what the defense can do for Romo, but what Romo can do for the defense.

 

[Kaiser]

Two players out of five were added to the team since training camp of 2012. That's simply reality.
Frederick was a walk in starter and Waters was our highest paid free agent signing.
They ended up on the OL with a 2nd year FA and a franchise LT.

So Leary doesn't count because he was a practice squad player in 2012 but Crawford or Ben Bass couldn't possibly do the same thing this year.

Doug Free rebounded when absolutely no one predicted it but Spencer can't possibly do the same thing this year after being a Pro Bowler in the past.

Frederick was a walkin starter as our 2013 first round pick but our 2013 first round pick can't possibly do the same thing.

Waters was our "highest paid free agent signing" at 1.5MM (total of 3 with incentives) but the team can't possibly sign a top FA today when it has 8 to 15MM to spend.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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[Nova]

He definitely is undersized for the position. And for the record, so is Sean Lee although Lee's on the HGH and is adding some bulk.

DeMarcus Ware: 6'4" 260
Robert Quinn: 6'4" 264
Cameron Wake: 6'3" 258
Chris Clemmons: 6'3" 254
Chandler Jones: 6'5" 265
Osi Umenyoura: 6'3" 255

There are a lot of DEs in the 260-270 range. Some are even up to

Ideally, you probably want a 6'5" 270 guy, but Ware at 6'4" 260 (probably 265 last year) isn't undersized.

Heck Jadeveon Clowney is 6'5" 266. Michael Strahan played at 6'5" 255 most of his career.

 

[Don Corleone]

Ware hurt Ware's career. All the Cowboys did was draft him high and make him rich.

 

[Hoofbite]

I can't imagine any defense not being able to make a guy with Wares production a "good fit".

Yeah, Wares a bad fit. Selvie though, cornerstone of the Marinelli Machine.

 

[Nova]

In the 3-4, he dropped back in pass protection often. Playing the 4-3 he doesn't do that and takes on the LT (usually the best OL on the team) every play. He's too small for that and it showed this year.

Don't have access to the numbers now, but I wouldn't say that Ware "often" dropped into coverage. He probably was in coverage most in Rob's defense, and if I remember correctly he dropped into coverage a little less than 10% of the time. He never played in a Dick LeBeau type scheme that had him dropping into coverage 40% of the time.


Just wanted to point that out. I don't disagree that the 4-3 DE with hand in the dirt is a bit more physically demanding. Usually you aren't able to beat guys cleanly with speed and there is more contact: UNLESS you're rushing from the nine which Ware appeared to do occasionally.

 

[xwalker]

He was a LB in the 3-4. He dropped back a lot more than that.

No, 7% is the exact number. Spencer was over 20%.

 

[Alexander]

A week before the 2013 draft Smith was the only guy out of the starting five who was in place and this website thought it was the Apocalypse. When the season started six months later we had four new (or improved) starters in Frederick, Leary, Waters and an improved Free that everyone had written off.

That isn't even one year, it was done in six months. You can now return to dodging that falling sky.

Big difference. There were still two starters who returned to play key roles, three if you count Bernadeau. All were experienced in the system.

I can look at the active roster of DL we have under contract and see very little to work with. And yes, I am not in the cult of Crawford/Bass where I think either is more than an average player at this point.

The sky "isn't falling" but I still do not understand the unbridled optimism. A week before the draft, the team was smugly declaring that the D-line of Ware, Ratliff, Crawford/Hatcher and Spencer were "set" and ready to terrorize the NFL. So these very same geniuses are going to fix the line in six months?

 

[LandryFan]

I'll take the under.

hEARD ON sIRIUW

I'll take the under.

Heard on Sirius NFL Radio about half hour ago that Ware signed with Baltimore...in the interview with DW, he stated that the Ravens was the team they were working with all along...

 

[TwoDeep3]

Still too early to say.

However, I can list several moments in time where Jerry seemed to have turned a corner in his way of thinking.

I have argued those here.

My feelings are this is simply Jerry tuning up his life sized fantasy football a little early this year.

 

[CowboyStar88]

10 mill a year? Ware you are not 27 years old anymore dude. As much as I hate he is gone I think Dallas made the right decision. That is very steep money for a guy who is 32 years old. If JJ would've allowed that he would've been crucified

 

[perrykemp]

10 mill a year? Ware you are not 27 years old anymore dude. As much as I hate he is gone I think Dallas made the right decision. That is very steep money for a guy who is 32 years old. If JJ would've allowed that he would've been crucified

What's $10m/year to the Cowboys? Heck, they signed the 39th ranked CB (PFF ranks) in the NFL to a $10m a year contract two years ago.

If they are willing to pay Carr the 2nd most money of any CB in the NFL, they should be perfectly fine paying Ware $10m for 7-8 sacks next season right?

 

[Gaede]

Uh, "did" is past tense. Look it up.

We were talking present tense and you jumped ahead to the future. Sorry, confusing argument on your part

 

[jterrell]

Melton won't take anywhere near the "bulk" of our FA dollars, not even close. And Spencer isn't going to make anything close to what he did the last two years, its laughable to suggest otherwise.

And plenty of articles said Selvie was better at WDE than SDE but played the strong side because that's where the open spot was.

My point remains the same - on this day one year ago we have four gaping holes on our OLine and that unit was a strength in 2013.

Are you trying for a trifecta of wrong?

YES, Melton would take the bulk of our FA dollars. He's the most coveted 3T on the market. Unless Dallas wants to do another stupid Carr type poison pill contract Melton will cost them a good deal in 2014.

Selvie was not better at SDE than WDE. You know it was pretty easy to see by watching the games....
Selvie had 5 sacks through 7 games. He ate up teams double-teaming Ware early than Hatcher when his totals went through the roof.
He had only 3 sacks the final 9 games as he was exposed from playing too many snaps.

Could you buy a year of Selvie at WDE? Sure. Same way we bought a year of Costa as starting OC.

Again, your point remains pointless. Dallas didn't rebuild it's OL in 6 months or even 18 months.
They did it over 3+ years. Dallas had Free, Frederick, Smith all penciled in from the first practice of 2013.
Leary won a LG job in TC and they added a future HOF on a hometown sweetheart deal when Bern was slowed again by injury to start the year.
When Waters went down they went back to Bern and he played quite well.
You could say Dallas COMPLETED its OL build in 6 months but that's probably not accurate either since they used stop gap Waters.

Dallas will field a DL in 2014. But it's going to likely be heartbreaking if you suspect it is going to be a good one.

 

[ferrispata]

You're missing the point. The Patriots have no loyalty to any player. When their vets get expensive on the wrong side of 30, they're gone. Brady is the only one to survive, but had his play slipped he would have been cut too.

It is refreshing to see this owner uncharacteristically sever ties with a vet.

I beg to differ. If we were not in salary cap hell, Ware would still be here. I don't think you can say otherwise.
With that being said, I am OK with them releasing him. Don't get me wrong.

 

[Risen Star]

What's $10m/year to the Cowboys? Heck, they signed the 39th ranked CB (PFF ranks) in the NFL to a $10m a year contract two years ago.

If they are willing to pay Carr the 2nd most money of any CB in the NFL, they should be perfectly fine paying Ware $10m for 7-8 sacks next season right?

You can never have enough corners.

 

[Nova]

No, 7% is the exact number. Spencer was over 20%.

Cosigned.

Yeah Spencer has always been around 20%... and against KC this year he was in coverage 58% of the time.

Ware on the other hand:

Coverage snaps
2008: 10.4%
2009: 8.3%
2010: 7.0%
2011: 9.0%
2012: 7.1%
2013: 2.5%

 

[CyberB0b]

Jerry is in his 70's. Thinking he will change his ways for the better overnight is a fantasy.

 

[Floatyworm]

Fire sale is so maddenesque. While the thought makes sense in a vacuum it isn't a realistic option in real life. First and foremost is that it isn't fair to the players left on the team who have worked all their lives to be part of a team trying to reach the Superbowl. Nor is it fair to fans who are paying for tickets and paying high cable prices.... much of which is going to pay for NFL contracts.

Tell that to the Colts who walked away with Andrew Luck. Fire sales are doable. It's a better process than stringing 8-8 seasons together.

 

[Risen Star]

I beg to differ. If we were not in salary cap hell, Ware would still be here. I don't think you can say otherwise.
With that being said, I am OK with them releasing him. Don't get me wrong.

OMG salary cap hell LOLz.

We can do whatever we want. Dead money is smart. Stuff like that.