Ware Release: has the Organization Changed? ***Ware Mega Merge-place all Ware threads here please***

[Nova]

He definitely isn’t undersized for the position. And he was actually very, very good at the position the first 3 weeks.

Funny how people forget the opening game interception, the two sacks (should’ve been 3) against the Chiefs, and his absolute domination of the highly coveted 4 time pro bowler and 2 time all pro, Jake Long, against STL.

His problem is that he’s old and has been wearing down ever since SD in 2009.

Did the move to the 4-3 accelerate that decay? Probably. But I don’t think by much. Remember, Ware only had 2.5 sacks of his 11.5 sacks over the last half of 2012.

 

[Gaede]

No, it can't. Zero pass rush and no push against the run at all. That equaled the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL, and the worst defense statistically in Dallas Cowboys history.

So? It can still get worse.

 

[erod]

So? It can still get worse.

If it did, I'm not sure you could mathematically prove it. LOL

 

[Wolfpack]

The Pats got a high first round draft pick for Seymour, all we got for Ware was a hole in our lineup and and $8 million in dead money that we can't use to fill it. One of these things is not like the other.

Boom.

 

[Gaede]

If it did, I'm not sure you could mathematically prove it. LOL

Uh, no, you can't mathematically prove the future. Thanks

 

[visionary]

The Pats got a high first round draft pick for Seymour, all we got for Ware was a hole in our lineup and and $8 million in dead money that we can't use to fill it. One of these things is not like the other.

my mind is made up, dont confuse me with facts

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Th air is won thiiiiing.

I like the part when he sends the cat off into space!

 

[xwalker]

The future years don't pertain to this year. Ware's value for future years is even lower now. The reality is some team will pay him more than he is worth and then cut him at the end of the year, and he'll probably end up retiring.

I don't even know what you point is in this post.

If you have a savings account of some sort, you don't make decisions just to maximize the account for the current year. You would make decisions that result in maximizing the account for the long term.

It's similar for NFL teams. The manage the cap as a multiple year entity. They don't just manage it a year at a time.

If your employer offered you a 10k bonus if you take it now or they would make it 40k if you wait a year to take it. which would you choose?

 

[jterrell]

This thread is comical.

Last year, Dallas had the worst defensive pass rush in the NFL with Ware and Hatcher on it.

Ware was the biggest problem. He was gawd awful. Didn't do a thing, ever. George Selvie was the pass rush star of the team. Hatcher is infinitely replaceable. He looked good mostly because the others stunk. Somebody has to make a play here and there.

I would sign Melton and Hatcher if the prices are right, draft a DE and DT in the first two rounds if the players there are worthy, and mix Crawford, Selvie, Hayden, and Bass into the fold. See what that gets them, and move forward.

It can't possibly be a worse defensive line than last year.

It is made more comedic by outright untrue claims.

Dallas did NOT have the worst pass rush in the league last year.
It was bad but ranked 25th, not 32nd in sacks.
They were 27th against the run.

We were so poor because Spencer and Ratliff combined to play 1 game.
Didn't help that the top TWO young back ups missed all year.

Fast forward a year and we are now without all 4 expected starters in 2013.
So YES, it will VERY LIKELY get worse before it gets better.

 

[Rockport]

With the likely departures of Ware, Hatcher and Spencer, how can the team possibly rebuild the defensive line sufficiently in the year or two that Romo has left in the window where he can win a championship?

A good GM can so the Cowboys can't.

 

[Rockport]

He definitely isn’t undersized for the position. And he was actually very, very good at the position the first 3 weeks.

Funny how people forget the opening game interception, the two sacks (should’ve been 3) against the Chiefs, and his absolute domination of the highly coveted 4 time pro bowler and 2 time all pro, Jake Long, against STL.

His problem is that he’s old and has been wearing down ever since SD in 2009.

Did the move to the 4-3 accelerate that decay? Probably. But I don’t think by much. Remember, Ware only had 2.5 sacks of his 11.5 sacks over the last half of 2012.

He definitely is undersized for the position. And for the record, so is Sean Lee although Lee's on the HGH and is adding some bulk.

 

[burmafrd]

This is what Jerry and Stephen, and some of you just don't get.THERE IS NO ROMO WINDOW! and there never was. he is not that good. and he never has been that good. so stop it. only a fool like Jerry would pay him like he has won something.

you win an award for the most unintentionally funny post of the thread....

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

With the likely departures of Ware, Hatcher and Spencer, how can the team possibly rebuild the defensive line sufficiently in the year or two that Romo has left in the window where he can win a championship?

Cant be done. But it is not as if Tony will go deep into the playoffs -- if even the first playoff game.
In an era of young teams such as Seattle, San Fran etc. I doubt we half any window at all. All we can hope is to be competitive, get decent position in the coming drafts and build the defense in a sensible manner. Young, cheap talent with a swagger and attitude that the Seahawks half.
Romo will be the QB who helped win only one playoff game in his Dallas career but heck, he will half great individual stats to place on his mantle as he embarks on his real love: golf.

 

[xwalker]

With the likely departures of Ware, Hatcher and Spencer, how can the team possibly rebuild the defensive line sufficiently in the year or two that Romo has left in the window where he can win a championship?

It can be done. Seattle signed two free agent DEs last year that combined for 16.5 sacks in the regular season. The total cap hit for both in 2013 was about 10M.

I'm not saying that the Cowboys will have the same success, but it is possible to quickly retool in free agency if you pick the correct players and it helps if you don't overpay.

 

[erod]

It is made more comedic by outright untrue claims.

Dallas did NOT have the worst pass rush in the league last year.
It was bad but ranked 25th, not 32nd in sacks.
They were 27th against the run.

We were so poor because Spencer and Ratliff combined to play 1 game.
Didn't help that the top TWO young back ups missed all year.

Fast forward a year and we are now without all 4 expected starters in 2013.
So YES, it will VERY LIKELY get worse before it gets better.

It was the worst. The only thing that kept it from being 32nd was that it couldn't get off the field. More chances for more sacks.

This defense set NFL records last year for suck. It was embarrassing.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'll take the under.

 

[erod]

Uh, no, you can't mathematically prove the future. Thanks

Uh, "did" is past tense. Look it up.

 

[Zordon]

Good quarterbacks get paid. Always. It's OK to have money socked away in your QB.

It's the other ones that are killers. How much dead money is tied up in former players now?

Good quarterbacks normally have playoff wins as well. They should have let him play out his contract and then reevaluated him and the entire organization this off season. We'd either move on to Manziel or we'd at least get a hefty discount bc of the back injury. It doesn't make sense to have so much invested in one player when the rest of the team is crap. People who think Jerry is going to draft himself a formidable dline before romo's window closes (two years) are kidding themselves. Jerry doesn't know how to draft and one of the biggest myths going on this site is that drafting has improved under Garrett.

 

[Kaiser]

In my opinion, it is much harder to build a OLine than a dline. Especially a Tampa-2 dline, where the only thing asked of the dlineman is to chase the qb. With some luck, it can be done in one offseason.

Agree, I dont get saying we can't rebuild the D Line with "scrub FAs and the draft" when the OL did exactly that with a scrub UDFA like Leary, a FA like Waters and a draft pick like Frederick.

If we have Melton & Bass at the 3, a 3rd rounder & Hayden at the 1, and Crawford & Spencer at one DE with a top draft pick rotating with Selvie at the other spot we aren't the 85 Bears but we are still much improved over last year.

 

[jterrell]

A good GM can so the Cowboys can't.

A good GM doesn't need to rebuild an entire DL in one off-season.
Seattle spent 4 years building that DL. San Fran even more than that.

The 90s Cowboys spent 3 years and traded for Haley to build that monster unit.

You don't replace an entire DL in one year.
BP tried with Spears, Ware, Canty and Olshanky and it still took time.
Spencer didn't get here to complete the unit until Wade.

Dallas appears to have faced the facts and are now rebuilding.