Ware Release: has the Organization Changed? ***Ware Mega Merge-place all Ware threads here please***

[xwalker]

When they moved to the 4-3 the writing was on the wall on Ware's eventual release. He was undersized to play that position in today's NFL. It showed in his lack of productivity and his many injuries. I'm sure he'll have a couple or 3 more solid years if he ends up on a 3-4 team. Good luck to you Ware.

Playing DE was an overrated issue for Ware. He still had to play against the same OTs that he faced as a 3-4 OLB. He lined up in a very similar position on the field in the Kiffin/Marinelli scheme that he lined up in as a 3-4 OLB. He actually had less run contain responsibilities in Marinelli's DL scheme than he had in RR's defense.

 

[jterrell]

Agree, I dont get saying we can't rebuild the D Line with "scrub FAs and the draft" when the OL did exactly that with a scrub UDFA like Leary, a FA like Waters and a draft pick like Frederick.

If we have Melton & Bass at the 3, a 3rd rounder & Hayden at the 1, and Crawford & Spencer at one DE with a top draft pick rotating with Selvie at the other spot we aren't the 85 Bears but we are still much improved over last year.

ROFL....
The OL was built around a top 10 overall draft pick that had 3 years to develop.
We tried 3 or 4 FAs and 3 or 4 draftees to fill the OG spots.
We had Free hit 5 or 6 years ago and then added another R1 guy to complete the group.

We didn't overhaul our OL in one year. It was a 4 year process.
We just got the benefit finally of spending the r1 picks on OL.

3 years from now I am sure the DL will be fine as well.

 

[Rockport]

Mistake if that's true.

If you're not going to blow it up and rebuild, which is my preference, then you retain Ware for now. You don't just throw away a guy who gets double digit sacks in his sleep. One year doesn't define him.

Marinelli knows that Ware wasn't a good fit in his defense so there was no way he was going to play for Dallas this year.

 

[WoodysGirl]

 

[TheCount]

It's time to move on. Based on the history of guys that the Cowboys cut, he'll be retired in the next 2 or 3 years.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

BAD COWBOYS!
Now all Ware half is millions to console him!

 

[Rockport]

Playing DE was an overrated issue for Ware. He still had to play against the same OTs that he faced as a 3-4 OLB. He lined up in a very similar position on the field in the Kiffin/Marinelli scheme that he lined up in as a 3-4 OLB. He actually had less run contain responsibilities in Marinelli's DL scheme than he had in RR's defense.

In the 3-4, he dropped back in pass protection often. Playing the 4-3 he doesn't do that and takes on the LT (usually the best OL on the team) every play. He's too small for that and it showed this year.

 

[Kaiser]

ROFL....
The OL was built around a top 10 overall draft pick that had 3 years to develop.
We tried 3 or 4 FAs and 3 or 4 draftees to fill the OG spots.
We had Free hit 5 or 6 years ago and then added another R1 guy to complete the group.

We didn't overhaul our OL in one year. It was a 4 year process.
We just got the benefit finally of spending the r1 picks on OL.

3 years from now I am sure the DL will be fine as well.

A week before the 2013 draft Smith was the only guy out of the starting five who was in place and this website thought it was the Apocalypse. When the season started six months later we had four new (or improved) starters in Frederick, Leary, Waters and an improved Free that everyone had written off.

That isn't even one year, it was done in six months. You can now return to dodging that falling sky.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Ware could go play for the Seahawks or some other good team . . . oh, yeah, most teams want young, not-injured/rehabbing player whose trajectory is upward.

 

[jterrell]

If we have Melton & Bass at the 3, a 3rd rounder & Hayden at the 1, and Crawford & Spencer at one DE with a top draft pick rotating with Selvie at the other spot we aren't the 85 Bears but we are still much improved over last year.

Selvie, Crawford and Spencer all play the SDE.
You "might" be able to make Spencer the true WDE but that's a tall task for a guy on crutches right now.

In your scenario you have used the bulk of your free agent dollars on a DT then followed that with R1 and R3 draft picks; plus brought back a guy that made 19m the last two years.

That commitment will surely make the DL better, but it's not going to be more than mediocre unless you somehow get lucky with Spencer and he both plays for cheap and plays extremely well.

 

[Risen Star]

Marinelli knows that Ware wasn't a good fit in his defense so there was no way he was going to play for Dallas this year.

You trumped me with the infallible Rod Marinelli card.

Well played.

 

[Future]

Ah yes, we are now seeing the typical reaction when someone goes out the door. Suddenly, they become less talented, less injured and lazier than they were when they were around.

I said the same thing more than a year ago.

He's always been a wuss - albeit a talented one - and even when he was racking up sacks has never been as disruptive as people want to believe. This team, the defense in particular, and he was a major part of that.

3-4, 4-3, its all the same thing.

 

[xwalker]

In the 3-4, he dropped back in pass protection often. Playing the 4-3 he doesn't do that and takes on the LT (usually the best OL on the team) every play. He's too small for that and it showed this year.

He only dropped back in 7 snaps out of a hundred. He faced the exact same LT as a 3-4 OLB as he faced as a 4-3 DE. The OT didn't magically get bigger or better because Ware was at DE.

What does the LT being the best OL on the team have to do with anything. He faced the LT in either defense.

 

[Rockport]

LOL, a media quote. Now that makes it gospel.

 

[Rockport]

He only dropped back in 7 snaps out of a hundred. He faced the exact same LT as a 3-4 OLB as he faced as a 4-3 DE. The OT didn't magically get bigger or better because Ware was at DE.

What does the LT being the best OL on the team have to do with anything. He faced the LT in either defense.

He was a LB in the 3-4. He dropped back a lot more than that.

 

[Future]

He was a LB in the 3-4. He dropped back a lot more than that.

Ok, 8.

 

[jterrell]

A week before the 2013 draft Smith was the only guy out of the starting five who was in place and this website thought it was the Apocalypse. When the season started six months later we had four new (or improved) starters in Frederick, Leary, Waters and an improved Free that everyone had written off.

That isn't even one year, it was done in six months. You can now return to dodging that falling sky.

Two players out of five were added to the team since training camp of 2012. That's simply reality.
Frederick was a walk in starter and Waters was our highest paid free agent signing.
They ended up on the OL with a 2nd year FA and a franchise LT.

We just cut the franchise DL and our only current Pro Bowl DL is on a bowling for dollars tour... there isn't one here to build around.
I know that's hard for you to grasp but it really shouldn't be.

We didn't start rebuilding our OL 18 months ago. We started the day we released Gurode/Flo.
It is only a quick fix in your head.

 

[Kaiser]

Selvie, Crawford and Spencer all play the SDE.
You "might" be able to make Spencer the true WDE but that's a tall task for a guy on crutches right now.

In your scenario you have used the bulk of your free agent dollars on a DT then followed that with R1 and R3 draft picks; plus brought back a guy that made 19m the last two years.

That commitment will surely make the DL better, but it's not going to be more than mediocre unless you somehow get lucky with Spencer and he both plays for cheap and plays extremely well.

Melton won't take anywhere near the "bulk" of our FA dollars, not even close. And Spencer isn't going to make anything close to what he did the last two years, its laughable to suggest otherwise.

And plenty of articles said Selvie was better at WDE than SDE but played the strong side because that's where the open spot was.

My point remains the same - on this day one year ago we have four gaping holes on our OLine and that unit was a strength in 2013.

 

[WoodysGirl]

LOL, a media quote. Now that makes it gospel.

Nah. Just one guy's opinion. I just post it. You take it however you feel.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

In the 3-4, he dropped back in pass protection often. Playing the 4-3 he doesn't do that and takes on the LT (usually the best OL on the team) every play. He's too small for that and it showed this year.

Ware covering anyone in pass coverage is a complete mismatch ... for the defense unless it is some slow as molasses fullback. Ware on a TE like Jimmy Graham or Thomas or Witten? No. Ware on a RB like Woodhead or Sproles or Murray? No.

Any defense which relies on Ware dropping back into pass protection is a recipe for disaster. Once in a while, maybe. Not often. Ware's bread and butter is rushing the QB and defending the run.

Also, there are so many packages out there these days and teams are running variants of the 3-4 and 4-3.