Ware Release: has the Organization Changed? ***Ware Mega Merge-place all Ware threads here please***

[theSHOW]

I like the part when he sends the cat off into space!

I like fight scenes only

 

[jterrell]

So Leary doesn't count because he was a practice squad player in 2012 but Crawford or Ben Bass couldn't possibly do the same thing this year.

Doug Free rebounded when absolutely no one predicted it but Spencer can't possibly do the same thing this year after being a Pro Bowler in the past.

Frederick was a walkin starter as our 2013 first round pick but our 2013 first round pick can't possibly do the same thing.

Waters was our "highest paid free agent signing" at 1.5MM (total of 3 with incentives) but the team can't possibly sign a top FA today when it has 8 to 15MM to spend.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Bass and Crawford can help in 2014. I expect they will if healthy. But Leary was our 5th OL....
That is where you keep losing the thread of logic.
Yes, you can be as good as the worst player on the 2013 OL.

But can you be as good as Tyron Smith? Can you be as good as Brian Waters?
Can you even be as good as Doug Free who was once a starting LT?

Yes, r1 will be a walk in starter.
Doesn't mean that player will be good as DE are overdrafted. Frederick was the best OC in the entire draft.

Again this team will probably be rebuilding this DL for a few years. You do not magically do so overnight.

 

[Alexander]

OMG salary cap hell LOLz.

We can do whatever we want. Dead money is smart. Stuff like that.

New Orleans did what they "wanted". So there.

 

[visionary]

Still too early to say.

However, I can list several moments in time where Jerry seemed to have turned a corner in his way of thinking.

I have argued those here.

My feelings are this is simply Jerry tuning up his life sized fantasy football a little early this year.

problem is, every corner jerry turns, leads to a blind alley

 

[tyke1doe]

So when you were arguing that Ware's divorce would help keep him here... You were saying that was a bad thing? Didn't seem like it.

Ware got divorced????

 

[TwoDeep3]

It was just a matter of time before the victim status was appointed to Ware.

This place is so consistent, you can set your wristwatch.

 

[visionary]

You can never have enough corners.

man, youve changed
you used to be all about TEs and WRs

 

[jterrell]

Big difference. There were still two starters who returned to play key roles, three if you count Bernadeau. All were experienced in the system.

I can look at the active roster of DL we have under contract and see very little to work with. And yes, I am not in the cult of Crawford/Bass where I think either is more than an average player at this point.

The sky "isn't falling" but I still do not understand the unbridled optimism. A week before the draft, the team was smugly declaring that the D-line of Ware, Ratliff, Crawford/Hatcher and Spencer were "set" and ready to terrorize the NFL. So these very same geniuses are going to fix the line in six months?

It goes even beyond that.

Tyron Smith was the highest drafted OL in the team's history.
Demarcus Ware is the best pass rusher in Cowboys history.

Dallas was able to replace Costa and Nate Livings in one off-season... amaze-balls right????
Now let's see them replace Hatcher and Ware (and possible Spencer too).
But to call that the same is just plain dumb.

 

[Alexander]

Dallas was able to replace Costa and Nate Livings in one off-season... amaze-balls right????

It was just astonishing we could replace all-world talent like that in six short months.

 

[starfrombirth]

Tell that to the Colts who walked away with Andrew Luck. Fire sales are doable. It's a better process than stringing 8-8 seasons together.

What have they done with luck under center again?

 

[cowboyvic]

Filed to ESPN: Denver has emerged as the favorite to land former Dallas DE DeMarcus Ware, per league sources.




Edit: the title should say favorite instead of probably

But but he's washed up. he only had 6 sacks, so no one will pay him big money. so say's some of this forum. looks like a lot of other teams disagree.15 teams are making a play for him. 8 playoff teams. so much for him being washed up.

 

[Galian Beast]

Doesn't matter who they sign or for how much. That dead money will still count the same. If they sign player X for 4M, the cost for that position will still be 12.5M this year. It has nothing to do with if they bring Ware back or not.

You don't let a player screw up your salary cap and then bring him back. It's done.

 

[Alexander]

You don't let a player screw up your salary cap and then bring him back. It's done.

The player did not screw up the salary cap. The management screwed up the salary cap.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't even know what you point is in this post.

If you have a savings account of some sort, you don't make decisions just to maximize the account for the current year. You would make decisions that result in maximizing the account for the long term.

It's similar for NFL teams. The manage the cap as a multiple year entity. They don't just manage it a year at a time.

If your employer offered you a 10k bonus if you take it now or they would make it 40k if you wait a year to take it. which would you choose?

Once you have cut ware and absorbed his prorated signing bonus, your accounting strategy moves on. To resign Ware going forward is nearly impossible given that his value will be so diminished. He certainly couldn't come back as a starter. We'll have starters in place next year, and by next year ware will be a year older.

 

[Galian Beast]

The player did not screw up the salary cap. The management screwed up the salary cap.

Negative. You had a player with a 12.5 million dollar base salary who was not worth 12.5 million. Let's see if he gets that much on the market.

 

[CyberB0b]

But but he's washed up. he only had 6 sacks, so no one will pay him big money. so say's some of this forum. looks like a lot of other teams disagree.15 teams are making a play for him. 8 playoff teams. so much for him being washed up.

Since Al Davis is dead, I don't see any team paying him 10 million a year in guaranteed money.

 

[WoodysGirl]

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Pats got a high first round draft pick for Seymour, all we got for Ware was a hole in our lineup and and $8 million in dead money that we can't use to fill it. One of these things is not like the other.

Yes.

Seymour was on the last year of contract when the Patriots traded him to the Raiders.

Ware had four more years left on his contract.





Oh.


bang

 

[theSHOW]

I would not sign him for much more than vet minimum.

 

[jterrell]

But but he's washed up. he only had 6 sacks, so no one will pay him big money. so say's some of this forum. looks like a lot of other teams disagree.15 teams are making a play for him. 8 playoff teams. so much for him being washed up.

Hall of Fame pass rushers grow on trees so don't sweat it.

Pretty sure the next guy we draft will be just as good or better than Ware and not be like Ekuban, Pittman, Carver.