Ware Release: has the Organization Changed? ***Ware Mega Merge-place all Ware threads here please***

[rojan]

if we traded him:

1. what would the cap implications be?
2. name ANY team who would take him?
3. what would we expect in return?

people lob out generic terms like this and get all butthurt when someone tries to enforce reality upon it. i'd be MORE than willing to listen to a trade scenario that wasn't just butt-nugget stupid and blind of contracts, cap, money and reality.

yet to see one of those.

1. I was under the impression that the cap hit would be the same as if we released him. If I'm mistaken then, my bad, but I bet allot of people also think that this is the case. Why not contribute something to this thread by educating us instead of just bashing it.

2. Are you saying that Ware has no suitors? Any team that is interested in Ware as a free agent would at-least kick the tires on a trade.

3.Draft pick(s). 2nd -5th round. Whatever we can get really.

 

[iceberg]

1. I was under the impression that the cap hit would be the same as if we released him. If I'm mistaken then, my bad, but I bet allot of people also think that this is the case. Why not contribute something to this thread by educating us instead of just bashing it.
2. Are you saying that Ware has no suitors? Any team that is interested in Ware as a free agent would at-least kick the tires on a trade.
3.Draft pick(s). 2nd -5th round. Whatever we can get really.

cap hit to us, maybe. but we're fighting the cap hit all over the place. yet, no one else would...hmmm...

and i am contributing. sorry if i'm not doing it in a way that makes you warm and fuzzy. the ignore here is great. give it a shot if i'm not riding the tide with you.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't want to see Ware go and hope we come to terms that work for both sides BUT

if we do have to get rid of him, why not trade him?

If he is getting the vibe that he can make so much on the open market then surely he is worth a draft pick to some team. It wouldn't make a difference of the cap and there is really no rush to release him on our end.

The only reason not to do it is if we are targeting a high priced FA and need the cap space immediately.Even with that, we can still maneuver around the cap with Witten's contract and releasing players like Durant and Orton.

if there was a ware on another team, with the salary he has. how much would you pay to get him? what can we get in return? who will be the dancing partner? its funny that cowboys fans want first rounders for their problem players but suggest 4th rounders for other teams players of equal or similar value.

 

[rojan]

cap hit to us, maybe. but we're fighting the cap hit all over the place. yet, no one else would...hmmm...

and i am contributing. sorry if i'm not doing it in a way that makes you warm and fuzzy. the ignore here is great. give it a shot if i'm not riding the tide with you.

Well couldn't the team that traded for him come up with a contract similar to what Suggs and Polamalu signed earlier to lower his cap number?

 

[iceberg]

Thank you.

 

[iceberg]

Well couldn't the team that traded for him come up with a contract similar to what Suggs and Polamalu signed earlier to lower his cap number?

But we're too ....

Never mind. This is brilliance.

 

[Hoofbite]

or take on a contract we don't even seem to want to pay.

Half the league has at least $18M.

Also, any team trading for him would have about $4M less in cap total for him than Dallas because the previous restructures stay on Dallas' tab.

They have more cap space to work with and won't utilize as much as Dallas would to keep him.

Kinda easy to see why there may be differences in willingness to take his contract.

 

[Nirvana]

I think they would just take over the contract so a new deal may not be necessary. It's usually a part of the deal but rarely are players traded with a bunch of time left.

I think the bigger thing is nobody wants to trade for something they think they can get without sending a draft pick.

That's just it, no team in the league wants Ware's contract. He is due 12.2 million this year. A lot better options out there than that. Thus a new deal has to be part of that trade, and any agent worth the title is going to tell Ware his best option is to become a free agent so that his price can be bid up. And no team will want to get into a bidding war over a player they have to give something up for on top of that, who is likely to get released because of his bad contract.

 

[iceberg]

That's just it, no team in the league wants Ware's contract. He is due 12.2 million this year. A lot better options out there than that. Thus a new deal has to be part of that trade, and any agent worth the title is going to tell Ware his best option is to become a free agent so that his price can be bid up. And no team will want to get into a bidding war over a player they have to give something up for on top of that.

exactly. better players are signing to less and we'll just trade away a problem cause... um...

beats the **** out of me.

 

[iceberg]

Well couldn't the team that traded for him come up with a contract similar to what Suggs and Polamalu signed earlier to lower his cap number?

couldn't we?

does he want to?

it's not as simple as people seem to need it to be.

 

[Hoofbite]

That's just it, no team in the league wants Ware's contract. He is due 12.2 million this year. A lot better options out there than that. Thus a new deal has to be part of that trade, and any agent worth the title is going to tell Ware his best option is to become a free agent so that his price can be bid up. And no team will want to get into a bidding war over a player they have to give something up for on top of that, who is likely to get released because of his bad contract.

What would be given up if any team got into a bidding war, other than the bid?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Nobody is going to trade for that contract, everybody in the entire NFL knows Ware is not worth $12 million.

No way in hell Ware is going to get that much on the open market and even he knows it.

 

[rojan]

couldn't we?

does he want to?

it's not as simple as people seem to need it to be.

Does he want to with us?

Maybe not

Would a team trade a draft pick to have Ware on their team before the draft and before they commit a lesser of a player. I think so.

Would Ware want to find a team as soon as possible so he can take advantage of all the money that teams will be spending and before most of the teams commit to other player either through free agency or draft? Yes

 

[iceberg]

Does he want to with us?

Maybe not

Would a team trade a draft pick to have Ware on their team before the draft and before they commit a lesser of a player. I think so.

Would Ware want to find a team as soon as possible so he can take advantage of all the money that teams will be spending and before most of the teams commit to other player either through free agency or draft? Yes

us trading ware and ware finding a team are (2) very different scenarios. w/what bennett signed for, ware lost a lot of leverage.

period.

but plug madden in and have a day dude. i'm out.

 

[Nirvana]

What would be given up if any team got into a bidding war, other than the bid?

The bid would include a draft pick or a player, which would not be the case were they to wait for the player to be released.

 

[rojan]

us trading ware and ware finding a team are (2) very different scenarios. w/what bennett signed for, ware lost a lot of leverage.

period.

but plug madden in and have a day dude. i'm out.

Good night

Hopefully we wake up tomorrow and Ware has agreed to take a pay cut to finish his career in Dallas

 

[iceberg]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...ext-Year/dea782cf-9cd2-40b4-919e-b1bec299c72b

google it. no one is talking about it, for a reason.

and hopefully there's not 6 more "ware update" threads in here.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It is just a game of chicken.

Sad thing, nobody really wins.

Yea, I don't get all the posturing. Both sides should be able to sit down at the table and present their case and if there is no mutual ground, then part ways.

Giving deadlines is just for show at this point.

My .02

 

[Hoofbite]

The bid would include a draft pick or a player, which would not be the case were they to wait for the player to be released.

Looked like you said the agent would be wise to advise free agency to start a bidding war.

Or am I mistaken?

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'm not speaking about who Atlanta could have drafted. I'm speaking of who they let go and had a worst defense. We could get worst. Imagine having a DE that only gets 2-3 sacks a season. But yes Ware did deserve his contact and earned it year in and year out and why people want him gone like he put up numbers in a phantom year is beyond me.

People want him gone because of his $12 million salary............If he took a pay cut to $7 or $8 million, a lot of those same folks would be ok with him staying.

Even if he puts up 12 sacks this season, he still is not worth that much money.