Was drafting Spears a mistake?

[superpunk]

I was upset that we passed up Kyle Orton... Confused on the drafting of another RB in Barber... Wondering why a Safety wasn't drafted in the 2nd round instead we pick up a TE... I thought, and anytime you can get a draft pick from a NFC EAST TEAM it's a good thing... So yes I agreed with Canty and Ratliff... I just wish we could have foreseen Canty and Ratliff and passed on Spears... That's what Free Agency is for, we could have found a DE... Hello John Abraham....

OK, I dunno why you chose today to go nuts, when you've been a member for oer a year, but did you REALLY just cite John Abraham as a possibility at DE for us?

Really?

Your comment about a FS is also nonsensical, considering we got the safety in the 5th that MOST people wanted us to take in the 2nd, and he's performed very well.

I'd quit while you're still only a little behind.

 

[Vintage]

I think he's going for Abraham as an OLB in a 3-4

Which would have cost a 1st rounder to get...so I am not sure what his point is? We'd still be using a 1st rounder for a defensive player.

Instead of drafting one, we'd be trading one.

Still using the same resources.....

 

[superpunk]

I think he's going for Abraham as an OLB in a 3-4

Unless I missed something, and Spears plays OLB for us, that cannot be what he meant by this;

just wish we could have foreseen Canty and Ratliff and passed on Spears... That's what Free Agency is for, we could have found a DE... Hello John Abraham....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Which would have cost a 1st rounder to get...so I am not sure what his point is? We'd still be using a 1st rounder for a defensive player.

Instead of drafting one, we'd be trading one.

Still using the same resources.....

I just glanced over it, but he did in fact, mention ABraham as a possible DE for us, so I deleted my comment to you lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Unless I missed something, and Spears plays OLB for us, that cannot be what he meant by this;

just wish we could have foreseen Canty and Ratliff and passed on Spears... That's what Free Agency is for, we could have found a DE... Hello John Abraham....

I KNOW!!!! LEAVE ME ALONE!! *runs away*

 

[Hailmary]

It's really easy to pick apart a draft when all is said and done.

1. Spears is fine, I have no problems w/ the pick.
2. No way did the organization know Canty would be there in the the 4th.
3. Yes, we needed to upgrade WR, but Clyaton outperformed everyone's expectations (imho) and Jones was a huge experiment.
4. The QBs mentioned, why haven't they put more pressure on their mentors they are ultimately to succeed (who are both elderly by NFL standards and are on the downside of their careers)? Neither one of them are locks to succeed at the next level.
5. People need to realize that although individual stats are great, it doesn't neccessarily make the team better. Players like Spears and Ware, etc.. will make the unit and scheme better, tho they may not put up numbers as "sexy" as those who may be outperforming them elsewhere.

With all that said, I do agree that we need to start looking ont he offensive side more starting this draft. Our D is set, they just need to mature some.

 

[cowboys41fe]

I agree with you, you won't find franchise players lower in the draft... With that being said wouldn't it have been more easier to find a role player to fill that 3-4 with #20 and get yourself a playmaker at #11?

Also let's take this into account... The Cowboys have one of the OLDEST OFFENSES in the entire league... What good will a young 3-4 unit be with a terrible OFFENSE... RECALL after Troy, we were bad because we couldn't score... How many years of defense? Roy, Newman, Ware, Spears, Carpenter... I recall with Newman when Leftwich was available, they will not take another black QB... At some point the offense has to be addressed... We can't go year after year doing the same thing...

 

[superpunk]

I also find it bizarre that you disagree with us drafting DEs and using free agency for WRs, but say that we should use FA for DEs and the draft for WRs.



And then you pick completely ill-suited DEs in free agency, that weren't FREE AGENTS to begin with.

 

[wileedog]

Please. Kyle Orton SUCKS. Enough. Quit while you are ahead.

A good safety was drafted later and you are still whining about the Fasano pick?

What I find funny is that we were supposed to have the foresight to know that Canty would be available in the 4th and thus pass on Spears, however we screwed up not taking a safety in the 2nd even though we seemed to have found a starter there in the 5th.

So are we supposed to be all knowing or not?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree with you, you won't find franchise players lower in the draft... With that being said wouldn't it have been more easier to find a role player to fill that 3-4 with #20 and get yourself a playmaker at #11?

uh, hello, Ware

 

[Vintage]

I agree with you, you won't find franchise players lower in the draft... With that being said wouldn't it have been more easier to find a role player to fill that 3-4 with #20 and get yourself a playmaker at #11?

Also let's take this into account... The Cowboys have one of the OLDEST OFFENSES in the entire league... What good will a young 3-4 unit be with a terrible OFFENSE... RECALL after Troy, we were bad because we couldn't score... How many years of defense? Roy, Newman, Ware, Spears, Carpenter... I recall with Newman when Leftwich was available, they will not take another black QB... At some point the offense has to be addressed... We can't go year after year doing the same thing...

So because of our drafting defense as of late....we will not go offense next year?

You continually amaze me.

And not in a good way.

 

[cowboys41fe]

Again, why even respond or even look at the post? I'm not here to please you, if you don't like something then just ignore it all together... Why even bother wasting YOUR TIME...

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Spears is fine.....yes, Jones would have been nice, but Spears was a very solid pick .....IMO, we better worry about Carpenter

 

[Cochese]

I agree with you, you won't find franchise players lower in the draft... With that being said wouldn't it have been more easier to find a role player to fill that 3-4 with #20 and get yourself a playmaker at #11?

Also let's take this into account... The Cowboys have one of the OLDEST OFFENSES in the entire league... What good will a young 3-4 unit be with a terrible OFFENSE... RECALL after Troy, we were bad because we couldn't score... How many years of defense? Roy, Newman, Ware, Spears, Carpenter... I recall with Newman when Leftwich was available, they will not take another black QB... At some point the offense has to be addressed... We can't go year after year doing the same thing...

Yea, and its not like Leftwich is an allpro or anything. Its got nothing to do with him being black. You are quite clueless.

 

[Vintage]

Abraham would have cost us a 1st rounder.

Which would have used the same amount of resources, so I am not sure your point on this....

Furthermore, you have YET to explain how Abraham can play DE in a 3-4.

I wont hold my breath awaiting an answer....but I suggest you do (the holding the breath part).

 

[superpunk]

Abraham would have cost us a 1st rounder.

Which would have used the same amount of resources, so I am not sure your point on this....

Furthermore, you have YET to explain how Abraham can play DE in a 3-4.

I wont hold my breath awaiting an answer....but I suggest you do (the holding the breath part).

Um.....yellow?

 

[Vintage]

Spears is fine.....yes, Jones would have been nice, but Spears was a very solid pick .....IMO, we better worry about Carpenter

To which, you have given us NO valid reasoning to why Manny would have been a better pick than Carpenter.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Which would have used the same amount of resources, so I am not sure your point on this....

he's just saying anyone but Spears, even players who wouldn't fit as 3-4 DEs, because he isn't lighting it up, although he's doing his job

I know, I understood his point, I'm ashamed

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I also find it bizarre that you disagree with us drafting DEs and using free agency for WRs, but say that we should use FA for DEs and the draft for WRs.



And then you pick completely ill-suited DEs in free agency, that weren't FREE AGENTS to begin with.

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Otter: Germans?

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[superpunk]

Spears is fine.....yes, Jones would have been nice, but Spears was a very solid pick .....IMO, we better worry about Carpenter

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