Wells Conclusion: Guilty

[Vtwin]

Unless you look at the fumble rate shown by Warren Sharp and backed up by Brian Burke, both guys who are not fanboys of the Patriots like the other water carriers.

You example would be like a pitcher that gets caught scuffing a baseball but points to the time that he didn't scuff a baseball and threw a no-hitter.

The implications of this have far reaching potential and considering SpyGate and it's implications, it shows the lack of punishment for the Patriots at SpyGate did nothing to stop them from going to any lengths possible to get an illegal and unfair advantage.





YR

Exactly. It's not just about the QB's ability to throw the ball in that one game. A soft ball is definite advantage to the RB's, especially in cold, wet weather.

 

[irishline]

ok *whew* that was some nice light reading.... Here are my thoughts (since so many people in here seem so interested in what I think): I am right back to where I was 3 1/2 months ago: It's a 5 dollar crime deserving of a 5 dollar fine.

I said all along I would accept the conclusions of the Wells Report and so I shall: Brady knew about it, Belichick and Kraft didn't. (I find it pretty disingenuous how several people are accepting the parts they want to accept but rejecting the parts they want to reject)....

Ya don't say? Kind of reminds me of someone 3 1/2 months ago. Whoever could that be? I mean back then the Patriots nor Brady did anything wrong and everyone who dares question that is a, what was the term? Hater? Idiot? I don't remember really but I am sure that is a couple of the terms thrown out there.

Sorry had to do it for old time sake. Hope all is well with you.

 

[Vtwin]

And you know Bill Belichick knew how? What is your evidence?

Bill doesn't necessarily know what's going on with the balls because he doesn't handle them. Brady, however, would know because he handles them. The ball boy would know because he handles them also.

That's why they're implicated and "probably" knew what happened.

Unless Belichick handles the balls, he wouldn't fall into that category.

BB knows how important ball security is.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

"Lack of punishment"? They lost a 1st rounder, something that had only happened once before in NFL history. That is a severe punishment.

They already had another 1st rounder in tow. And that was a *higher* first round pick.

Belichick was fined $1 million and 2 weeks later he was given a new contract by Kraft for an 'undisclosed amount' which means 'Robert Kraft paid off his fine.'

And obviously it was a lack of punishment. Considering that the fumble rate dropped in 2007 they really didn't learn their lesson from SpyGate in 2007 and found a new way to cheat the system to their benefit.




YR

 

[rynochop]

why is there a patriot regular on here? we play each other what, every four years? I think i will go troll a Jets board

 

[Rogah]

Ya don't say? Kind of reminds me of someone 3 1/2 months ago. Whoever could that be? I mean back then the Patriots nor Brady did nothing wrong and everyone who dares question that is a, what was the term? Hater? Idiot? I don't remember really but I am sure that is a couple of the terms thrown out there.

Sorry had to do it for old time sake. Hope all is well with you.

Like I said, I accept the conclusions of the entire report. In fact, I think they were being kind to Brady with their language of "more probable than not." I believe the evidence demonstrates culpability beyond a reasonable doubt. We can all read between the lines of those text messages and interpret exactly what they mean.

However, the same report exonerates Kraft and Belichick of any wrong doing, and I accept that part as well.

 

[pugilist]

Roger Goodell grants Kraft and the New England Patriots one extra 2nd Round draft pick

 

[Doc50]

A 243-page report released Wednesday on the New England Patriots' "deflategate" controversy during the 2015 AFC Championship Game has found that "it is more probable than not that New England Patriots personnel" deliberately deflated footballs below the approved thresholds.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/06/deflategate-report-patriots-new-england_n_7224452.html

Patriots cheated. Thus they should receive severe punishment. Lost of draft picks and their coach should be suspended just like the Saints. But it won't happen because Kraft is friends with Goddell.

Will be interesting to see how its handled. Any hint of bias could give further validity to a case of interest conflict (non-objectivity) brought to court, possibly even leading to firing and restructure of the role of commissioner.

The dawn of free agency started just as quietly.

 

[Rogah]

They already had another 1st rounder in tow. And that was a *higher* first round pick.

Which is completely irrelevant. They were fined a 1st round pick, which is something that has only happened 1 other time in NFL history, and is a pretyy severe punishment.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Ya don't say? Kind of reminds me of someone 3 1/2 months ago. Whoever could that be? I mean back then the Patriots nor Brady did anything wrong and everyone who dares question that is a, what was the term? Hater? Idiot? I don't remember really but I am sure that is a couple of the terms thrown out there.

Sorry had to do it for old time sake. Hope all is well with you.

You forgot jealous..

 

[EMMITTnROY]

This thread is going to be moved in 3... 2...

 

[Corso]

Boom boom boom, let's go merge with the NFL thread...
And I'll be doing alright, we can make it feel right.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Here is a little Devil's Advocate...because I'm an attorney and like sifting through these things.

1) We knew Brady liked his balls..hehehe....deflated to 12.5..the lowest level. Nothing I've seen yet in the texts says that they deflated them below 12.5, just that a) they think Brady is an clown and b) they want to inflate them seriously high just to piss him off.

2) Who just hands over their phone willingly when its not a police investigation? Were they Patriot issued phones? Was there pressure? Just wondering legally what the league said or did that made it where personal phones got handed over.

He knew they were being interfered with after the refs did their checks.

They were probably trying to avoid being sacrifices.

 

[DallasEast]

Stickies do not get read.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

ok *whew* that was some nice light reading.... Here are my thoughts (since so many people in here seem so interested in what I think): I am right back to where I was 3 1/2 months ago: It's a 5 dollar crime deserving of a 5 dollar fine.

I said all along I would accept the conclusions of the Wells Report and so I shall: Brady knew about it, Belichick and Kraft didn't. (I find it pretty disingenuous how several people are accepting the parts they want to accept but rejecting the parts they want to reject). Brady should probably get a game or two for what he did, but I am basing that statement more on how he lied to investigators than the actual "crime" itself. And those 2 equipment doofuses should probably start looking for new jobs.

I see this as comparable to a pitcher scuffing a baseball or pine tar or something like that, hence the punishment to Brady - but they didn't take draft picks from the Yankees when Pineda got caught with pine tar on his neck. I also see it as very comparable to what the Vikings got caught doing, and they only got a letter or warning..... or, better yet, comparable to Jerry Rice's admitted usage of stick'em during the 80's/90's0

The league will almost certainly implement new procedures for ball handling, which I guarantee upsets a whole buncha other QBs. Oh well. And I bet every other QB in the league has had similar exchanges with the equipment personnel. It's an interesting insight to how things work behind the scenes.

If I was a Colts fan I would probably be pissed that so many questions were raised prior to the AFCCG, the balls actually went missing for a brief time period prior to the AFCCG, but they let the entire 1st half play out anyway. Of course, the fact that they lost by 38 probably would make that more of a non-issue than if, for example, NE jumped to a big 1st half league but Indy came back in the 2nd and lost by a hair.

Interesting that if Brady is suspended, he won't be able to attend the banner ceremony on September 10. Can't imagine NBC is terribly happy but they really can't do much.

The statistical analysis at the end is very interesting.

History will not consider the Patriots dynasty as "tainted" any more than the Broncos 2 Super Bowls (salary cap violations) or the 49ers (aforementioned stick'em usage).

You're wrong. History will definitely treat their "dynasty" as tainted.

 

[lostar2009]

Yup we are rob down to the bone and nothing is donecbut they let the Para rob them blind without anything done.

 

[CyberB0b]

You're about 4 hours late. And in the wrong forum.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Which is completely irrelevant. They were fined a 1st round pick, which is something that has only happened 1 other time in NFL history, and is a pretyy severe punishment.

It's not when your pick is at the tail end of the draft and you have another pick that is in the upper half of the draft (IIRC, it was 10th).

Obviously, the punishment was not severe enough otherwise they would not have continued to cheat, again.




YR

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I mean it was obvious. The Colts knew from a tip and they reported it. There is no way they would have started investigating balls and calling the Assistant GM if they didn't.

Reporters put it out there when it immediately happened. The NFL just couldn't get to it in time after it blew up.

So then why didn't they use that language in the Hardy papers? Seems this one comes off much softer.

Wells isn't a Jets fan. Hardy report was put out by Giants #1 fan.

 

[Rogah]

You're wrong. History will definitely treat their "dynasty" as tainted.

No more so than the 9ers or Broncos. Certainly some will remember, but it is hardly something brought up all the time.