Wells Conclusion: Guilty

[Longboysfan]

Hello.....
Brady is guilty - look at the full report.
Billy boy lied after the fact.
Kraft comes in and muddies the water.

 

[irishline]

Like I said, I accept the conclusions of the entire report. In fact, I think they were being kind to Brady with their language of "more probable than not." I believe the evidence demonstrates culpability beyond a reasonable doubt. We can all read between the lines of those text messages and interpret exactly what they mean.

However, the same report exonerates Kraft and Belichick of any wrong doing, and I accept that part as well.

I get what you are saying. But you unequivocally said no one within the Patriots organization did anything wrong. You used all this statistical analysis and summarily threw out the statistical analysis from anyone you didn't agree with (some of which is included and confirmed in the wells report) by discrediting the writers with name calling and innuendo that they knew nothing (including a man with 58 scientific patents and a lifetime dedicated to teaching youth science).

You called anyone on this board who agreed with them an idiot, a hater, and many other things along the way. Anyone on this board who thought the Patriots were guilty were just too jealous to see that they could not possibly have done anything wrong. Then the report comes out and low and behold people within the organization including the QB were found culpable. Yet despite all that, despite all your name calling and the trash talking of experts you didn't agree with, you find it disingenuous that someone does not agree with something an "expert" said?

The irony is so thick a knife couldn't cut it.

Anyway I'm out didn't come to start a discussion, just wanted to point out that your disingenuous comment is exactly how we felt in January/February.

You forgot jealous..

Thanks you are right. I added it above.

 

[KB1122]

Cheats and liars. But you knew that.

The Super Bowl championship needs to be vacated.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

Man, the Jets are going to get the book thrown at them.

 

[Longboysfan]

I know the physics of altering a ball. So what?
That doesn't mean I know someone altered one.

People are assuming that Belichick knew based on their belief that Belichick knows EVERYTHING. But I doubt Belichick knows everything. And there is the concept of plausible deniability.

But that as it may, I'm not really interested in arguing what Belichick did or didn't know.

I'm merely saying that it makes more sense and is more logical that a person who handles the balls would know what goes on compared to a person who doesn't handle the balls.

Do you not think that somewhere in time That Brady and Billy boy talked about the paper he wrote.
And how it affects the ball. .......

Look are you living under a Patriot rock here on this.
How many times do they have to get caught with doing things wrong...
NFL integrity on the line here...

Well we'll give them another pass as......

 

[KB1122]

By the way, where are all the people swearing it was weather-related?

I heard on the radio some of the text messages. That's just funny.

 

[DFWJC]

Fwiw
I think the report said they probably did something but not definitely.
Not sure where that leaves them on punishment
Ideas?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I get what you are saying. But you unequivocally said no one within the Patriots organization did anything wrong. You threw out all this statistical analysis and refuted the statistical analysis from anyone you didn't agree with (some of which is included and confirmed in the wells report) by discrediting the writers with name calling and innuendo that they knew nothing (including a man with 58 scientific patents and a lifetime dedicated to teaching youth science).

You called anyone on this board who agreed with them an idiot, a hater, and many other things along the way. Anyone on this board who thought the Patriots were guilty were just to jealous to see that they could not possible have done anything wrong. Then the report comes out and low and behold people within the organization including the QB were found culpable. Yet despite all that, despite all the name calling and trash talking of experts you didn't agree with, you find it disingenuous that someone does not agree with something an "expert" said?

The irony is so thick a knife couldn't cut it.



Thanks you are right. I added it above.

Haha. I cannot tell you how many times I've been told told I'm just a jealous hater.

also "the Pats are your daddy".

And oh yea..Stauback is a big Pats fan & since he is I can't admire him while tormenting Rogah.

Seriously .

 

[speedkilz88]

Bountygate Penalties

Coaches and front office staff
On March 21, 2012, the NFL issued sanctions to Saints coaches and front-office personnel for their roles in the scandal.[55][56]

• Williams was suspended indefinitely, and was banned from applying for reinstatement until the end of the 2012 season at the earliest.
• Payton was suspended for the entire 2012 season, effective April 1. He is the first head coach in modern NFL history to be suspended for any reason.
• Loomis was suspended for the first eight games of the 2012 season.
• Vitt, who had been tabbed as a possible candidate to serve as interim coach in Payton's absence, was suspended for the first six games of the 2012 season.[16][20][57] (This did not automatically disqualify Vitt from serving as interim head coach per se, as his suspension was not effective until the regular season; the suspension terms allowed him to coach the team through training camp and the preseason, then return during Week 7. The Saints announced they would implement this scenario for 2012.)[58][59]

The Saints were also fined $500,000—the maximum fine permitted under the league constitution. Goodell also stripped the Saints of their second-round draft picks in 2012 and 2013 (their first-round pick in 2012 had already been traded to the New England Patriots, and therefore could not be taken away; after the penalty; the Saints' first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft is a third-rounder)

Players
The NFLPA requested that the league hold off on any punishments for the players until it conducts its own investigation.[20] Goodell told Schefter, however, that he would hand down punishments to the players involved very soon once he gets feedback from the NFLPA.[62]

Hours after the sanctions were announced, Kluwe went on KSTP in the Twin Cities and demanded that any players involved in the scheme be severely punished, and that the NFLPA let it be known that "there's no place in the league for that kind of behavior." He even went as far as to call for Vilma—the only player specifically named as being involved in the scheme in the NFL's initial announcements—to be banned from the league for life.[66] His sentiments were echoed a day later by Vikings center John Sullivan, who told KFXN-FM in the Twin Cities that any Saint who deliberately tried to hurt Favre in that game should get a lifetime ban. Sullivan called the Saints' treatment of Favre "despicable" and "the exact opposite of sportsmanship," and even called for the league to take some sort of action against players involved in that game who had since retired, such as McCray.[67]

On May 2, 2012, the NFL suspended four then-current or former Saints players for their involvement in the bounty scandal:

• Vilma was suspended for the entire 2012 NFL season.[13]
• Former Saints defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove was suspended for eight games.
• Saints defensive end Will Smith was suspended for four games.
• Former Saints linebacker Scott Fujita (then with the Cleveland Browns, now retired) was suspended for three games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints_bounty_scandal

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Fwiw
I think the report said they probably did something but not definitely.
Not sure where that leaves them on punishment
Ideas?

That's the standard for guilt. The only alternative would be for them to have been standing in the bathroom with the deflator.

 

[speedkilz88]

Fwiw
I think the report said they probably did something but not definitely.
Not sure where that leaves them on punishment
Ideas?

It's lawyer talk for they did it.

 

[Rogah]

Bountygate Penalties

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints_bounty_scandal

This is the sort of comment that I can't help but laugh at.

Seriously. The balls were roughly 1 PSI lower than they should have been. Do you honestly see that as comparable to a team putting in place a process by which the players are systematically encouraged and rewarded for deliberately injuring rival players?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I humbly apologize for misspelling Roger's last name incorrectly!

That's Cowboys blasphemy I know..

 

[ragman]

I don't know if this is true, but I thought it was interesting.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots//doyel-guesses-brady-will-be-suspended-8-games

This could be huge for the Cowboys, since the two teams meet in Week 5 of the season.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Maybe Tom will retire. Giselle makes more than him anyway. He's been caught. How humiliating for him.

 

[speedkilz88]

This is the sort of comment that I can't help but laugh at.

Seriously. The balls were roughly 1 PSI lower than they should have been. Do you honestly see that as comparable to a team putting in place a process by which the players are systematically encouraged and rewarded for deliberately injuring rival players?

Everything you have posted is laughable.

 

[Rogah]

I don't know if this is true, but I thought it was interesting.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots//doyel-guesses-brady-will-be-suspended-8-games

This could be huge for the Cowboys, since the two teams meet in Week 5 of the season.

Suspending a player is a lot harder than just taking a draft pick or fining a team. Players actually have more rights to appeal than a team would and they are represented by their union. I expect 1 game but anything more than 2 would be a stretch. I mean, you only get 4 games for PED's. They aren't going to give 8 games for balls being 1 PSI low.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

This is the sort of comment that I can't help but laugh at.

Seriously. The balls were roughly 1 PSI lower than they should have been. Do you honestly see that as comparable to a team putting in place a process by which the players are systematically encouraged and rewarded for deliberately injuring rival players?

Of course you think that. Deflate Gate is cheating. Long term too. The deflator name went back to last spring at least. Trying to minimize it after all the time you spent trying to disprove it is a fool's errand.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Not really! There is nothing wrong with being smart and letting the facts play out. When it was reported there was nothing showing direct evidence as to who did it. Heck even now there isn't conclusive evidence where the league can make a definite statement with their wording. Circumstantially it points that way but name calling just seems to be petty and childish. But carry on.

Sure 24 hrs would have been enuff. How many people have access to those footballs?

This is not a complicated situation. Nor is it a mystery. And 4 months later nothing is any different as a result of the "independent investigation." Its just as everybody knew it would be. Brady is a liar and cheater and the footballs were who we thot they were. And Mr Krafty still pulls Goodell's strings as the REPORT "wording" clearly indicates.

So if you choose, carry on in your state of denial and delusion. As they say, ignorance is bliss - Enjoy!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Suspending a player is a lot harder than just taking a draft pick or fining a team. Players actually have more rights to appeal than a team would and they are represented by their union. I expect 1 game but anything more than 2 would be a stretch. I mean, you only get 4 games for PED's. They aren't going to give 8 games for balls being 1 PSI low.

Hardy got 10 games for having charges dropped. . . .