Wells Conclusion: Guilty

[muck4doo]

He has been on record of saying he was going to QUIT being a Cowboys fan and just be a Patriots fan.

So you got the wrong team initially but you hit the nail on the head.

I would go so far to say that if he starts his act up again like he did before his time will be short on this site as I have no patience for someone who claims he is going to quit being a cowboys fan, be a fan of another team and still come back on this forum starting crap.

Nope. Not going to fly anymore.

If you can, ask if there could another section added to the forum called "stupid drivel", and move all stupid troll comments from Gnats and Pats fans there.

 

[adbutcher]

Rogah draws no quarter when the case is in doubt and deserves no quarter when the there is proof that the organization cheated.

All Rogah did was beat others to the punch to creating a thread that gave the news that the Patriots did indeed cheat. So, you're merely looking at seconds of him posting this thread before somebody else did.

In the meantime, he's tried to minimize the impact of the actual cheating which for months he said never existed. And now he's claiming that people are lying about DeflateGate while making up 'facts' of his own like claiming that the Saints were somehow caught red handed in BountyGate which never happened.

Mind you, the months of him calling people idiots and haters (literally) to the point where he challenged my ability and expertise in my livelihood simply because I showed where he lacks expertise in statistics as he was wrong about defining Warren Sharp's analysis as a 'correlation' when it is about 'trends' and 'outliers.'

Rogah only posted in this thread because ducking the topic now that the evidence has come out would send him off to internet Siberia. He could have saved face by just admitting that the Patriots cheated and deserve every bit of criticism and skepticism about their success and that the organization simply cannot be trusted. He could also issue people like myself, Warren Sharp and Bill Nye an apology. Instead, he has continued to deflect and try to minimize how wrong he was.

If anything it completely discredits Rogah in any future arguments because it's obvious that he will stoop to any level just so he doesn't have to admit that he was wrong. He's allergic to a mea culpa.





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[adbutcher]

He has been on record of saying he was going to QUIT being a Cowboys fan and just be a Patriots fan.

So you got the wrong team initially but you hit the nail on the head.

I would go so far to say that if he starts his act up again like he did before his time will be short on this site as I have no patience for someone who claims he is going to quit being a cowboys fan, be a fan of another team and still come back on this forum starting crap.

Nope. Not going to fly anymore.

Someone needs to buy this mayne a beer.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't know if this is true, but I thought it was interesting.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots//doyel-guesses-brady-will-be-suspended-8-games

This could be huge for the Cowboys, since the two teams meet in Week 5 of the season.

guy works for an Indy newspaper. Haha.

Change "guesses" to "prays" and the title would be more fitting.

 

[Hoofbite]

Depending on if you count Richard Sherman (who won his appeal), EIGHT Seahawks have been suspended for roids lately.

J. Engel (formerly TLBoH) wonders why this is not talked about > http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/engel-where-is-all-the-ped-outrage-over-seahawks-012714

I know why she dropped the nickname "Hate" - some of the members on this thread would have her beat.

Don't believe it was roids. Stimulants.

 

[dogberry]

The Colts Patriots game will be great fun if Brady is allowed to play.

The Patriots whole year should shine with prove it each week games.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Someone needs to buy this mayne a beer.

Paging Mr. Winicki......

 

[DogFace]

Yeah, this issue is so important that:

- The recommended penalty guideline for violating this rule is a $25,000 fine
- The league let the teams play 30 minutes of the AFCCG with balls suspected to have been deflated
- The V.P.'s at the league office that got the original complaint didn't bother to, you know, actually tell the commissioner about any of this

Does it mention that the violation could result in a miraculous reduction in the number of fumbles and that would be ok because fumbles aren't really that important.

Backing habitual cheaters with "this type of cheating isn't bad" is a poor position to take. That's a stupid argument. They've been caught twice now.

There is a reason he was so emphatic about badgeering these two into manipulating the balls. Because it was key to him. Not one former NFL player could not tell immediately what balls were under inflated and which were over on ESPN demonstrations. It was His personal preference and he knew in cold weather or rain it was even more important. Breaking the rules to fit your personal preference is a big deal.

Cheaters are low life's that ruin the integrity of whatever game they are cheating in. People that condone or make excuses and belittle cheating are what they are.

 

[erod]

This chart is incredibly interesting. Ever since Brady pushed for road teams to be able to bring their own footballs (remember Romo's fumble in Seattle?), these are the fumble rates per play for road teams since.

NOTICE HOW NEW ENGLAND'S FUMBLE RATE WENT WAY DOWN COMPARED TO THE LEAGUE AVERAGE. The result of manipulating the psi on the footballs? Before this, New England was pretty comparable to everybody else's fumble rate.

 

[muck4doo]

The Colts Patriots game will be great fun if Brady is allowed to play.

The Patriots whole year should shine with prove it each week games.

Stop. Cowboys will stomp those sorry Pats to the ground. How did we get infested with Pats fans? Who here forgot to wash?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Just spoke to my brother (a Stealer fan) and all he cares about is that Brady gets suspended for 1 game. Grrrrrrrr.

I'm kinda ashamed of you....a Steeler fan brother?

you should have disowned him...shame on you.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm kinda ashamed of you....a Steeler fan brother?

you should have disowned him...shame on you.

It gets worst.......his oldest son is also. Way back in the '80s I asked my brotoher why he became a Stealer fan and he told me the only reason is due to the fact I was such a hard core Cowboy fan.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

It gets worst.......his oldest son is also. Way back in the '80s I asked my brotoher why he became a Stealer fan and he told me the only reason is due to the fact I was such a hard core Cowboy fan.

Oh dear Lord.

please tell me you have changed your will

He's mentally ill. Get him help!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

It gets worst.......his oldest son is also. Way back in the '80s I asked my brotoher why he became a Stealer fan and he told me the only reason is due to the fact I was such a hard core Cowboy fan.

He's always been jealous?

 

[endersdragon]

4+ game suspension for Brady. What... I don't have any motive to say 4 games... why are you looking at me like that.

P.S. In all seriousness... watch it be a 3 game suspension.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Yes it does. Your statement is extremely misleading - perhaps deliberately so, perhaps inadvertantly.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I have no problem agreeing to disagree.

You mite not, but he will . You dont agree becuz you're a hater and jealous! Oh, and your posting is very unbecoming for a Cowboy fan.

 

[Craig]

This thread title is misleading, or rather flat out wrong. The wells report confirms the same thoughts from all along. The Pats probably deflated the footballs.

 

[BAT]

The Colts Patriots game will be great fun if Brady is allowed to play.

The Patriots whole year should shine with prove it each week games.

I hope they have that prove it mentality, and watch them literally fumble it away as the season gets progressively colder and wetter. Brady does not like cold wet weather, very few QBs do. The cheating is bad enough, it is the lying and throwing his cronies under the bus so he could play in the SB that should get the stiffest penalties and attention.

Now everyone understands why Bill was so belligerent and insistent that the media ask the QB about the deflated balls. Pats employees assisted Brady, so the Pats should be penalized as well, just as the Saints (players, coaches and organization) were during Bountygate.

 

[MichaelValentino]

This chart is incredibly interesting. Ever since Brady pushed for road teams to be able to bring their own footballs (remember Romo's fumble in Seattle?), these are the fumble rates per play for road teams since.

NOTICE HOW NEW ENGLAND'S FUMBLE RATE WENT WAY DOWN COMPARED TO THE LEAGUE AVERAGE. The result of manipulating the psi on the footballs? Before this, New England was pretty comparable to everybody else's fumble rate.

This is a very telling graph. It's difficult not to draw conclusions from this graph alone as there appears to be a direct correlation between ball security and the rule change - marginally, league-wide and substantially for NE.

The first year following the rule change, NE saw a 94.8% increase in its ball security stats while the other 31 teams, on average, saw a 7% decrease. Post 2006, the NFL shows a positive upward trend, punctuated by three seasons (2011, 2013, 2014) that fall significantly above the average for the entire 15-year period. The slopes of the two NE lines are approximately equal to the NFL average plot but prior to the rule change NE was performing at approximately 7.1% to 7.8% above the NFL norm, and this was aided in large part due to year 2005 when NE was +15 (38.5%) better than the rest of the league.

Pre 2007, the difference could be accounted for by better coaching (during the Belichick era the Patriots have had one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL) which emphasizes ball protection better than most other teams. Even with the outlier of 2005, there could have been other NFL teams with more touches per fumble than NE. It would be interesting to see how the other top ball protection teams fared compared to NE both prior to and after the change.

Some of the difference, pre 2007, could be accounted for by play calling (% run plays vs. % pass plays), level of pass protection (i.e., more sacks probably directly correlate to more QB fumbles), the strength of defenses within a given division (e.g., would Cleveland be more prone to lower ball protection stats having to face very physical defenses with strong front sevens in Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati as opposed to an NFC South or AFC South team facing less imposing defenses?) and quality/style of running backs.

However, post 2006, the plots are so drastically different that the above variables simply do not seem able to account for the difference in fumble rate. Even taking out year 2010 (+69; +168%), which seems to be an anamoly, NE is so far above the rest of the league that the data must raise flags. The only oddity in the 8-year plot is year 2013 in which NE fell below the NFL average. Otherwise, the Patriots were better by a margin ranging from +20 (+45.5%) to +41 (+83.7%), excluding 2010.

Those results are too statistically-significant to dismiss to coaching, % of run plays, opposing defenses and RBs.

What would be helpful in assessing this graph is to see how the top three teams beside NE fared from 2007-2014; to plot Tom Brady's % completion and QB rating year-by-year; and to track the fumble rate for RBs who have left the Patriots since 2007 to see if there is any difference in their ball security stats with NE as compared to their new teams, as well as tracking the ball security stats of backs who have left other teams to join NE since 2007. If backs have left the Patriots and seen their stats come down more to the league-wide average or if backs have seen much better performance - as statistically significant as the post 2006 plot - since leaving other teams and joining NE, the theory that under-inflated balls accounts for the difference would seem to hold water.