Wells Conclusion: Guilty

[erod]

Bottom line is the Patriots tried to cheat the game. Again.

That is the only fact you need.

 

[jimmy40]

I've been so sick this week the NFL could have folded and I wouldn't have cared so I haven't kept up at all. What were the actual PSI measurements of all the balls of both teams?

 

[Rogah]

I've been so sick this week the NFL could have folded and I wouldn't have cared so I haven't kept up at all. What were the actual PSI measurements of all the balls of both teams?

Team Ball Tested by Clete Blakeman Tested by Dyrol Prioleau

Patriots
1 11.50 11.80
2 10.85 11.20
3 11.15 11.50
4 10.70 11.00
5 11.10 11.45
6 11.60 11.95
7 11.85 12.30
8 11.10 11.55
9 10.95 11.35
10 10.50 10.90
11 10.90 11.35

Colts
1 12.70 12.35
2 12.75 12.30
3 12.50 12.95
4 12.55 12.15

 

[Longboysfan]

So why did New England fumble so much less after the rule change than before?

Each team is allowed to prep their own game balls at the Visitors stadium.
So you could put the ball pressure to the lowest level allowed.
You could brush up the balls to the liking of the QB and how he grips them.
You could brush up the balls to interact well with the type of gloves the players wear.
You could have your game jerseys made to react well to the game ball prep.

Seems like the Patriots left nothing to chance.

 

[jimmy40]

Team Ball Tested by Clete Blakeman Tested by Dyrol Prioleau

Patriots
1 11.50 11.80
2 10.85 11.20
3 11.15 11.50
4 10.70 11.00
5 11.10 11.45
6 11.60 11.95
7 11.85 12.30
8 11.10 11.55
9 10.95 11.35
10 10.50 10.90
11 10.90 11.35

Colts
1 12.70 12.35
2 12.75 12.30
3 12.50 12.95
4 12.55 12.15

why didn't they test all the balls?

 

[Rogah]

So why did New England fumble so much less after the rule change than before?

Prior to the rule change, Brady fumbled 9.4 times per season (a 5 year sample). After the rule change, he has fumbled 6.1 times per season. What you see as some sort of proof of nefarious intent, knowledgeable football fans see as just the progress of a QB getting better at ball security as a veteran than as a rookie.

 

[Rogah]

why didn't they test all the balls?

According to the Wells Report, they didn't test all the balls at halftime because they simply ran out of time. So the analysis company used the 4 Colts balls as the baseline and compared the 11 Patriots balls against those to come up with their conclusion.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Bottom line is the Patriots tried to cheat the game. Again.

That is the only fact you need.

Funny how it always comes back to something as simple as that.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Bottom line is the Patriots tried to cheat the game. Again.

That is the only fact you need.

Most people seem to get that.

Others just seem to want to overlook that.

Go figure.

 

[jimmy40]

According to the Wells Report, they didn't test all the balls at halftime because they simply ran out of time. So the analysis company used the 4 Colts balls as the baseline and compared the 11 Patriots balls against those to come up with their conclusion.

so you can deflate 12 balls in 100 seconds in a bathroom but can't test 24 balls in a locker room in 15 minutes? I have no doubt Brady pushed the limits on the balls but it seems the investigation (probably, more likely than not, etc.) was pretty much a joke.

 

[erod]

Funny how it always comes back to something as simple as that.

Now close your eyes and imagine....

This same scenario with Romo and the Cowboys. What would the uproar be then?

 

[erod]

Prior to the rule change, Brady fumbled 9.4 times per season (a 5 year sample). After the rule change, he has fumbled 6.1 times per season. What you see as some sort of proof of nefarious intent, knowledgeable football fans see as just the progress of a QB getting better at ball security as a veteran than as a rookie.

Then why did he tell the trainers to take the balls in the bathroom away from the referees to let air out of them?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Then why did he tell the trainers to take the balls in the bathroom away from the referees to let air out of them?

Oh! Oh! I know! Pick me!

because he cheats!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Now close your eyes and imagine....

This same scenario with Romo and the Cowboys. What would the uproar be then?

You couldn't turn on the TV without hearing about it. The public outcry would be so loud the NFL would force Jerry to sell the team.

 

[rynochop]

Now close your eyes and imagine....

This same scenario with Romo and the Cowboys. What would the uproar be then?

Ive thought of that too. Omg, it would twice as big as it already is.

 

[rickster14]

Watching NFL Live. Bruschi and Damien Woody debating about Brady. Woody seems to be a realist. Bruschi is so blindly loyal to his former QB that he sounds like a **** loyalist defending Hitler.

He has no objectivity. I hope somebody at ESPN paid attention to this. He is a homer throughout the regular season as well.

 

[Nightman]

So why did New England fumble so much less after the rule change than before?

The guys at 538 wrote a pretty thorough report on the issue

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/fivethirtyeight-dissects-the-deflategate-report/

 

[65fastback2plus2]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...750/Brady-avoids-questions-about-Wells-Report

watched that and its clear, fans dont care if you cheat when you're holding a trophy

 

[BoysFan4ever]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...750/Brady-avoids-questions-about-Wells-Report

watched that and its clear, fans dont care if you cheat when you're holding a trophy

Some on here sure don't

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Do you realize the recommended guideline for this infraction is a $25,000 fine? Pretty tough to go from $25k to $31 million and 9 draft picks.

Should the league treat each ball like a separate incident, like they are doing with Hardy?