What happens to the fools... ?

[Doomsday101]

Ok... this is my point of view so here goes..

IMO

Elite "proven" current active QBs (in no particular order)

1. P. Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Brett Fave (lets start the favre-romo comparison if you like)
4. McNabb
5. Drew Bress
6. Big Ben
7. Rivers


QB's that I think will be much much better than Romo in time

1. Flacco
2. Matt Ryan
3. Aaron Rodgers

How do I see Romo?

More or less like the following

1. Kitna
2. Hasselbeck
3. Jake Helhomme
4. Bulger
5. Culppeper
6. Aaaron brooks
7. Rodney Pete

QBs that have sparks here and there.. but wont ever consolidate

I see Romo as one of the top 10 QB's in the league right now. Given the fact there are 32 teams in the NFL I would say he is more than just avg and I think when all is said and done will be looked at as more than just a 10 QB.

 

[iceberg]

Ok... this is my point of view so here goes..

IMO

Elite "proven" current active QBs (in no particular order)

1. P. Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Brett Fave (lets start the favre-romo comparison if you like)
4. McNabb
5. Drew Bress
6. Big Ben
7. Rivers


QB's that I think will be much much better than Romo in time

1. Flacco
2. Matt Ryan
3. Aaron Rodgers

How do I see Romo?

More or less like the following

1. Kitna
2. Hasselbeck
3. Jake Helhomme
4. Bulger
5. Culppeper
6. Aaaron brooks
7. Rodney Pete

QBs that have sparks here and there.. but wont ever consolidate

wow. so even if we show stats that romo is doing things that any of your top flight qb's have not done, it's not enough?

what pushes them over to that edge? winning playoff games? a superbowl?

to be honest, i giggle myself a tad silly when i see this list of who you compare romo to. even your bright and upcoming stars still don't have what romo has accomplished. they may, or they may fall flat on their face.

mcnabb has never pulled it together for a bowl victory. so it can't be a superbowl birth/win that puts you over the top. brees/rivers maybe - but still no huge wins.

so why? why would you say romo and kitna are the same despite so many overwhelming stats in romo's favor? i'm not trying to argue, just get a base for your view.

 

[bbgun]

Also ther are extremists on both sides, you are correct...however you are incorrect when you say only one side gets called out on it.

Hardly a fair fight. Sort of like throwing a kitten into a dog pound.

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[illhurtya]

Ok... this is my point of view so here goes..

IMO

Elite "proven" current active QBs (in no particular order)

1. P. Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Brett Fave (lets start the favre-romo comparison if you like)
4. McNabb
5. Drew Bress
6. Big Ben
7. Rivers


QB's that I think will be much much better than Romo in time

1. Flacco
2. Matt Ryan
3. Aaron Rodgers

How do I see Romo?

More or less like the following

1. Kitna
2. Hasselbeck
3. Jake Helhomme
4. Bulger
5. Culppeper
6. Aaaron brooks
7. Rodney Pete

QBs that have sparks here and there.. but wont ever consolidate

You lost any and all credibility by comparing Romo to Aaron Brooks or Rodney Peete.

 

[DWhite Fan]

Ok... this is my point of view so here goes..

IMO

Elite "proven" current active QBs (in no particular order)

1. P. Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Brett Fave (lets start the favre-romo comparison if you like)
4. McNabb
5. Drew Bress
6. Big Ben
7. Rivers


QB's that I think will be much much better than Romo in time

1. Flacco
2. Matt Ryan
3. Aaron Rodgers

How do I see Romo?

More or less like the following

1. Kitna
2. Hasselbeck
3. Jake Helhomme
4. Bulger
5. Culppeper
6. Aaaron brooks
7. Rodney Pete

QBs that have sparks here and there.. but wont ever consolidate

Romo frustrates me just as he does others on this site, but of the QBs you have listed above, the only one I would take over Tony right now is Peyton Manning. No of the others are playing any better than Tony is right now

You cannot be serious about the 7 QBs you say Romo is like

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

who emphatically make statements about...

Romo sucks as a QB?
Wade sucks as a coach?
The Cowboys can't replace T.O.'s production?
The Cowboys are a worse team w/o T.O.?

Do these people just quietly disappear into the shadows?
and then return at a later time trying to act like they never doubted?
or do they just immediately change their tone w/o acknowledging their stupid remarks?

I see some here make an "I was wrong" thread and good for them. But there have been alot more naysayers in the past 9 weeks than there are I-was-wrongers owning up to it now.

Not just here in the Zone but on TV and everywhere. Some of these people were really emphatic and combative with their statements. They need to eat it and eat it bigtime. I'm tired of the comments made so strongly without there ever being any accountability for it... that's why these comments are made to begin with. These people should be wearing a "scarlet letter" for the remainder of the season.

It's only week 10 and who knows what the Cowboys will be by season's end.
But Romo IS a top-knotch QB, no debate. Wade IS a hell of a coach and T.O.'s release IS an improvement to the team on all fronts and his production HAS been replaced entirely.

Oh no. All of this will be back before you know it.

 

[iceberg]

Hardly a fair fight. Sort of like throwing a kitten into a dog pound.

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once again, not quite as extreme as you make it out to be.

asking for a reprieve of you screaming ROY SUCKS is hardly spanking you into the submission we're spanked into with the constant ROY SUCKS babble. but nice try to divert it away since you were once again wrong.

both sides do it. sorry you can't see that.

 

[Spectre]

Here's the deal.

I don't think anyone here that is agreeing with my OP is calling us a Super Bowl winner, either. That's a weak argument that some are "putting in our mouths", though no one in this thread said that.

I also am not overreacting to this one big win over Philly as validating Romo and Wade, etc. for eternity. Another weak attempt at disregarding my call for owning up to your comments.
I was primarily calling out those who ARE changing their tune of "Romo sucks and Wade sucks", but doing so quietly after this streak of winning games.

As far as the "body of work", that supports my statement of Romo and Wade being every bit a good coach and QB, respectively. Romo's stats and wins and career rating support that. Wade's record as a head coach supports that. So no, you are not using their body of work when you make your negative statements. YOU are the one having the knee-jerk reaction by saying they suck after a stretch of bad games and denying the overall picture presented by the body of work.

 

[Darkhound]

I always like a good well thought out discussion guys so here goes.


I was ONCE a huge supporter of Romo. Why because I think he has the "marketing" and charismatic power. He is a likable guy and has dome some things here and there.

I can easily name you some "moments to remember" form the (still young) Romo career

1. His epic 1st down against the Rams when the scrambled for 70 yards
2. His awesome Thanks giving day vs the Buccs
3. His improvisation

However, I dont see him dominate, and lead the team like one of the QBs I consider Elite. Does he sometimes give us the chace to win? Yes, but i dont feel he is the "leader" of our team anymore. I dont feel that "auhority" i felt with Aikman. And given my Age (31), and the things my father tells me, Staubach was also similar. (I have watched video and seen many documentals on our team) So I try to be educated.

McNabb.... you know what.. the guy will probably never ever win a suprebowl. Does that make him mediocre? NO!!! But he is wont be remembered for that. I think that McNabb is a much more complete and threatening QB than Romo.

Sadly, this game is about winning, WINING. And I dont want to tell my kids of this "great QB that never won anything"

Marino... Dan Marino. Great QB. historic. yes... I bet he is willing to change every damn record he has for one single superbowl ring.

Sadly, the fine line that is drawn between being a good QB and an average one is directly related to winning. Unless Romo starts breaking records here and there, and pull our some jaw dropping numbers, but in the end, ends up with no SB..... i dont see him as an Elite QB

 

[iceberg]

I always like a good well thought out discussion guys so here goes.


I was ONCE a huge supporter of Romo. Why because I think he has the "marketing" and charismatic power. He is a likable guy and has dome some things here and there.

I can easily name you some "moments to remember" form the (still young) Romo career

1. His epic 1st down against the Rams when the scrambled for 70 yards
2. His awesome Thanks giving day vs the Buccs
3. His improvisation

However, I dont see him dominate, and lead the team like one of the QBs I consider Elite. Does he sometimes give us the chace to win? Yes, but i dont feel he is the "leader" of our team anymore. I dont feel that "auhority" i felt with Aikman. And given my Age (31), and the things my father tells me, Staubach was also similar. (I have watched video and seen many documentals on our team) So I try to be educated.

McNabb.... you know what.. the guy will probably never ever win a suprebowl. Does that make him mediocre? NO!!! But he is wont be remembered for that. I think that McNabb is a much more complete and threatening QB than Romo.

Sadly, this game is about winning, WINING. And I dont want to tell my kids of this "great QB that never won anything"

Marino... Dan Marino. Great QB. historic. yes... I bet he is willing to change every damn record he has for one single superbowl ring.

Sadly, the fine line that is drawn between being a good QB and an average one is directly related to winning. Unless Romo starts breaking records here and there, and pull our some jaw dropping numbers, but in the end, ends up with no SB..... i dont see him as an Elite QB

winning WHAT is the question? you give mcnabb a free ride even though he's never WON.

while i don't know, what's romo's win/loss record compared to mcnabb?

you seem to be subjective from player to player and that's ok. but i don't see how anyone could call romo a "rodney peete" and maintain a straight look on their face.

 

[Darkhound]

You lost any and all credibility by comparing Romo to Aaron Brooks or Rodney Peete.

Well.. i guess we will never know. But Rodney Pete was in a very mediocre team (the lions) and well that 1991 season they made it to the conference game.

What would have been of him if he were in a more talented team?

Aaroon brooks. I did see some potential in the guy. But at that time The Saints were still a bad team.

 

[illhurtya]

Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien....all won Super Bowl rings. Does that make them Elite quarterbacks? I mean it's all about winning rings right?

 

[iceberg]

Well.. i guess we will never know. But Rodney Pete was in a very mediocre team (the lions) and well that 1991 season they made it to the conference game.

What would have been of him if he were in a more talented team?

Aaroon brooks. I did see some potential in the guy. But at that time The Saints were still a bad team.

would bigben be the same qb in KC?
oakland?

no. i doubt it quite a bit but you rate him highly as a qb, then you say WINNING is the only thing, but mcnabb has never "won it all" and now you say peete played on a bad team so should be excused...

so far i'm not seeing a consistant line of logic here other than you just don't care much for romo.

 

[bbgun]

once again, not quite as extreme as you make it out to be.

asking for a reprieve of you screaming ROY SUCKS is hardly spanking you into the submission we're spanked into with the constant ROY SUCKS babble. but nice try to divert it away since you were once again wrong.

both sides do it. sorry you can't see that.

Except sometimes he does suck and he does deserve to be called out. This week, he doesn't. Were people supposed to hold their tongues until he had a halfway decent game? That's not how life or message boards work. If I can ignore the threads that pump up certain players unfairly, or demand contact extensions for Wade and Carp after a decent stretch of games, then you can ignore the grumps.

 

[iceberg]

Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien....all won Super Bowl rings. Does that make them Elite quarterbacks? I mean it's all about winning rings right?

nonono - now it matters what team they're on.

that's the problem with a subjective argument, it takes a lot of strange turns along the way.

 

[iceberg]

Except sometimes he does suck and he does deserve to be called out. This week, he doesn't. Were people supposed to hold their tongues until he had a halfway decent game? That's not how life or message boards work. If I can ignore the threads that pump up certain players unfairly, or demand contact extensions for Wade and Carp after a decent stretch of games, then you can ignore the grumps.

sometimes sure.

but after every single game?

if you don't like me whining about your whining, ignore me. you can do it, right? then, as soon as roy has a bad game you and the hate-crew will be right back on crew with the HE SUCKS!!! it's like you wait for it so you CAN scream it out cause that's how you support the team in your own strange little way.

 

[cml750]

I have been down on Wade since the end of last year. A 4 game win streak has not changed my mind. I love the wins but I will wait to drink the kool-aid with my crow after the superbowl.

 

[bbgun]

sometimes sure.

but after every single game?

But he did next to nothing every single game. Naturally, the posts will reflect that reality. Were he an Ogletree type that we picked up for nothing, no one would be complaining about his measly production. But we all know that's not the case.

if you don't like me whining about your whining, ignore me. you can do it, right?

Or you could take your own advice and ignore the "heretics."

 

[Spectre]

for me, winning isn't everything.
I think only a fool can disregard the millions of factors that go into creating a win or loss.

Sure, if you're a good QB your record should reflect that in wins in some way. But to say a guy is not good until he wins that one big game or whatever is ridiculous. And to say this QB is better than that one solely because this one won that big game and the other didn't is even worse.

Apparently a QB could be 100-6 as a starting QB but if none of those wins are a Super Bowl then he is not a good QB.
Give me a break.

I look at the odds. The probability. The body of work, not one game. Tony Romo gives his team a better chance to win each week based on his body of work than 90% of the QBs in the NFL.

I guess Trent Dilfer is better than Tony Romo because he won a Super Bowl.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Hardly a fair fight. Sort of like throwing a kitten into a dog pound.

What is a fair fight? Kind of an oxymoron there.