What has Parcells done?

[5Stars]

I think you may be right. In 2003, all the credit for that season was given to Parcell's for making Q Carter play better and making the defense number 1, but most of the defensive players were already here and Carter went on to help the Jets make the playoffs the following year. Testeverde couldn't get the Jets to the playoffs in 2003 or 2005 when Pennington went down or help us get to the playoffs in 2004, yet Carter helped us get to the playoffs in 2003 and the Jets in 2004 and Bledsoe hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs since '98, with or without the Cowboys. From that, I surmise, that Q Carter was the one constant in both the Jets and Cowboys getting to the playoffs of late, not Parcells, maybe that's why Parcells hated to let him go, and maybe that's why Parcells chose to come to Dallas instead Detroit with 1st round qb,Harrington or the 9'ers with pro bowl qb,Garcia. Think about it, he called up Jerry to ask him about coming here. Any of a dozen gm's would have gladly fired their head coaches at thought of getting Parcell's as their head coach. What was the attraction here?

Wait...let me get this straight...

Are you telling us that Parcells called JJ to see if he could become the coach of the Cowboys BECAUSE Carter was in Dallas at the time?

Please tell me that I read that wrong! Because if that is what you are trying to convey, you have just reached a new low...!



Did anyone else read it that way, or was it just me?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Can anyone give me any benefit to having Parcells?

Seriously, other than stealing Terry Glenn from the Packers, what genius moves has he made to make the Cowboys better?

ware, burnett, ferguson (who is the defensive MVP so far), Newman, Witten, JJ, MB3, Spears, Canty, James, Henry, Watkins, Colombo,

he has drafted very well over the past few years. now I am sure you will give credit to the scouting dept, but make exceptions where it fits your arguments. The one area he has failed is the OL, for what ever reason.

Yes the '06 team is better than the '02 team but that's the nature of the NFL, worst to first and back again. Other than the perennial also rans in Detroit (bad GM) and Arizona (bad owner) and the expansion Texans, every other team that was as bad as the '02 Cowboys are better than the '06 Cowboys. Marvin Lewis may have some character problems in Cincinatti, but he also has a better team. Lovie Smith also seems to have something going on in Chicago.

well New England has been competitive for many years. So have the steelers, but then again that doesn't fit your argument. How about SF? how about Oakland? how about NO? how about cleveland?

the fact is if BP wouldn't come here, we would be one of those teams that you described above. we would continue to suck like we did.

Free agents have gone from mediocre (Richie Anderson, Aaron Glenn, Anthony Henry) to disappointing (Rivera, Ferguson) to downright gawdawful (Young). I didn't include this year's because four games is too early to tell anything except for Boiman who is no longer in Dallas.

well here you go again, only representing half the truth. WHO did those FAs replace? its not that those FAs were just signed, but who did they replace? we replaced Mario Edwards with Henry....we replaced (can't recall the FB) with Richie Anderson. We replaced who Ross with A Glenn.

Rivera has been and average signing.

with mention of Ferguson you just displayed your lack of football knowledge. He has been the defensive MVP so far. Every thing on the defense starts and ends with him in the middle. that's why we have given up 75 yards rushing and are 5th in the league in that dept.

Some talented players have left also, Lehr, Coakley, Glover, Bryant...

Even look at the drafts. Some great picks like Witten tempered with some horrible picks like Rogers. Nothing special there except he's gone after TEs and LBs at an alarming rate.

TALENTED PLAYERS THAT LEFT......Lehr... are you freaking joking!!!! you have to. otherwise I will consider this entire thread a joke.

Coakly and glover didn't fit the mold of a 3-4 defense plus they are both on the wrong side of 30. or do you think we should have build our defense around an average LB and an over the hill DT?

Bryant....talented but what have you done for me lately? or do you think the players should over rule the coach and the organization? btw, bryant is on his 3rd team and they are already tired of his act in SF.

man...this was a really weak argument on your part.

 

[Stautner]

Agreed.

You put the 2003 Defensive Philosophy with the 2006 Defensive Players and I think we are as good as the Bears. Some may say that is crazy, but I think that 2003 Aggresiveness really scared alot of teams. That defense, in particular, the games before the NE Game on ESPN (which I think after that game we stop being aggressive) was hell on wheels and would send the house on any given down.

For now, the 3-4 version is stuck with "read and reactive" very passive styles.

- Mike G.

I can't completely agree with this - it assumes that the players we have are the studs we think and hope they can be. That just isn't a given at this point.

I'm not saying that being a little more agressive is a bad idea - I would like to see it at least to a point. But i think it's way premature to decide that these guys are capable of being the best of the best - most are still just trying to make a mark in the league.

 

[peplaw06]

I wish some of you guys could really listen to yourself or read what you're writing.

You're longing for the days of Quincy FREAKIN Carter!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

I expected a meltdown on the board this week, but this is inexcusable.

 

[Stautner]

I wish some of you guys could really listen to yourself or read what you're writing.

You're longing for the days of Quincy FREAKIN Carter!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

I expected a meltdown on the board this week, but this is inexcusable.

I'm glad someone else sees this - what a joke to still be pining over the loss of a guy that no one in the NFL or Canada wants.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I wish some of you guys could really listen to yourself or read what you're writing.

You're longing for the days of Quincy FREAKIN Carter!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

I expected a meltdown on the board this week, but this is inexcusable.

kartr has extreme man love for Quincy Carter.

QC could be on a 12 day coke binge and kill a family of three and he would still clamor to bring carter back or try to defend him somehow.

In other words take anything he says about QC with a grain...no mountain, of salt.

 

[peplaw06]

kartr has extreme man love for Quincy Carter.

QC could be on a 12 day coke binge and kill a family of three and he would still clamor to bring carter back or try to defend him somehow.

In other words take anything he says about QC with a grain...no mountain, of salt.

Man, I posted this in the wrong thread....

I meant to put this in the mobility thread. There are some more guys saying Carter could make a difference over there. It's insanity.

 

[Chuck 54]

I find your comparison to the other bottom feeders in 2002 very interesting...novel approach I haven't seen before...and the results are troubling.

 

[Stautner]

I find your comparison to the other bottom feeders in 2002 very interesting...novel approach I haven't seen before...and the results are troubling.

I know of at least one he left out that is still not doing well - there may be more.

 

[kartr]

What do you think he would be with Owens, Glenn and Witten?

Better than Bledsoe for sure.

 

[kartr]

kartr, will you please dry up and blow away. Only a complete moron would give Q any credit for the Jets playoff year. AND YOU DO REMEMBER THAT HE QUIT on them in the end?

Pennington only had 8 wins and Baltimore had 9 and Buffalo had 9. Without Q's 2 wins, either Baltimore or Buffalo would have went to the playoffs instead of the Jets if they had not signed Q. Do the math.

 

[ringmaster]

The defense's production against Philadelphia is what I found the most unnerving. It was our first true test and we failed to achieve a passing grade. I appreciate the fact the offense put them in a ten point hole, but we surrendered deep throws to a team on play action when we had no business biting on a run fake. It just seemed like a poor defensive plan overall, and even worse execution.

Right on Al, some of the blame also belongs to the coaching staff that was the worst DB blitz, I've ever seen yes Ellis, had a chance for a sack but it was side stepped for 87 yd bomb to Hank Baskett that is what I didn't understand.

And that call on the offense with 38 seconds in the 4th qt, where the Eagles, gave us 1st&Goal with an interference call why would they even call that pass play when all the had to do was feed it to JuJu at the six yard line only for the pass to be intercepted and ran for 102 yds for a TD, by Sheppard everybody deserves the blame but that was some poor game planning by the coaches as well.

 

[peplaw06]

Pennington only had 8 wins and Baltimore had 9 and Buffalo had 9. Without Q's 2 wins, either Baltimore or Buffalo would have went to the playoffs instead of the Jets if they had not signed Q. Do the math.

The Jets could have signed me, and I would have won two games against the Cards and Browns by 13 points combined.

 

[kartr]

You my friend, are . Q Car the constant between the playoff runs?? Q Car the reason that the 2004 Jets made the playoffs?? Don't make me laugh.

Carter was the backup for the 2004 Jets. Chad Pennington led the Jets to a 6-1 start. In the 8th game he got hurt in the second half. Carter comes in and in the 4 games he played in before Pennington came back they were 2-2 with wins over the vaunted Browns and Cardinals by the scores of 10-7 and 13-3 respectively. Pennington comes back and the Jets go 2-3 in the last 5, and make the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

And QCar was the reason? Your man love for all things Quincy is downright ridiculous.

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2003 because they had the number 1 defense and Bill made sure Quincy didn't blow it like he blew his career.

Get your facts straight, Carter played in 5 games but started 3, winning 2 or 2/3 or 66%. Jets fans were saying that Santana Moss was a wasted 1st round pick because he had not been that productive,finishing in the 30th percentile statistically, but the 3 games that Carter started, Santana magically was transported to a top 5 receiver in yards per catch, catchs and touchdowns;after Pennington comes back, Moss dropped back down to the 30th percentile. Read between the lines, with Pennington as the starter, Moss underachieves, with Carter as the starter, Moss is an elite receiver. Why do you think Gibbs traded Coles for Moss;because he obviously saw the same thing I did. He didn't sign Carter because he could get Jason Campbell, a Carter clone. REad between the lines on this one too,Carter helps Bill get to the playoffs quicker than he had ever before and then helps the Jets get to the playoffs the following year,which none of the other Jets backup qb's could do;meanwhile, Dallas hasn't been back to the playoffs since Carter left,despite all the improvements they've made. Carter is the one missing factor in both the Jets and Cowboys struggles.

 

[joseephuss]

Pennington only had 8 wins and Baltimore had 9 and Buffalo had 9. Without Q's 2 wins, either Baltimore or Buffalo would have went to the playoffs instead of the Jets if they had not signed Q. Do the math.

Math

A = B
A = 1 failed drug test
B = 0 starts for the Cowboys in 2004

C= D+E+F+G
C = 1 bailing on his Jets teammates in 2004
D = 1 missed opportunity to be the Jets QB instead of an injured Pennington in the playoffs
E = 0 chances of being re-signed by the Jets in 2005
F = 0 chances to be signed by any NFL team
G = 4 probable game suspension if ever signed again

H = I+J
H = 1 I'm too good to compete for a job attitude
I = 1 team that cut him in the CFL
J = 0 other CFL teams that have tried to sign him

That is some scary math. I would hate to see that on the SAT.

 

[Rampage]

to answer the posters question. parcells has brought us back to being an average team

 

[kartr]

The Quarterback at least deserves some credit when the team has a decent year and that year, based on the talent and the expectations, that was a pretty good year.

If you are going to rip Quincy a new one for being utterly miserable when the team didnt do well, you kind of have to give him some credit for winning.

The funny thing about it is, our defense is head and shoulders better then it was in 2003. So why cant "Bill" make sure Bledsoe doesn't blow it and get us into the Postseason?

- Mike G.

Well said, very well said.:worthy:

 

[CowboyJeff]

What has Parcells done? He did what 3 previous head coaches could not do. He made arguably the biggest Cowboys move in the new millenium: forcing Jerry Jones to fire Larry Lacewell.

 

[peplaw06]

Better than Bledsoe for sure.

Can we get a smiley for pulling your hair out, or one in a straight jacket?

Maybe one bashing kartr

:spanking: :stupid::yousuck::bomb::jets:kartree::liarliar::explode::chop::chainsaw::abuseme::rake::storm::shoot2:

None of these quite do it for me.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wait...let me get this straight...

Are you telling us that Parcells called JJ to see if he could become the coach of the Cowboys BECAUSE Carter was in Dallas at the time?

Please tell me that I read that wrong! Because if that is what you are trying to convey, you have just reached a new low...!



Did anyone else read it that way, or was it just me?

Holy Cow, you're right, he did say that...

I think the reason no one noticed it before is that 90% of the board has him on ignore.