What has this franchise learned that makes us closer to a SB?

[RustyBourneHorse]

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[LACowboysFan1]

Mine is solely based on a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

I'm with you there 100%.

But it's a such a faint hope I'm not even sure I'd call it hope, more wishful thinking, for two reasons:

1. Even when Jerry's gone, there's lately zero evidence that Stephen will do anything different. So we have the well known definition of insanity.
2. Detroit has NEVER even been to a SB, that's 54 years. Jets haven't been to a SB but once in the last 52 years. If the blind squirrel analogy had any merit one of those teams surely would have gotten there by now.

I will watch the games every year. If it happens, fantastic. If not, I've not invested my emotions enough for it to bum me out....

 

[dckid]

We all want to see the Cowboys move to a place where they can compete for a SB or at least a conference championship for the first time in over a quarter century.

So two serious questions:

1. What has this franchise (and its leadership) learned the last few years that makes us closer to a championship for the first time in 26 seasons?
   
2. Is there anything that gives you confidence that this team will make the playoffs in back to back seasons for the first time in 15 years?

I’m curious where fans are on this. I’m hoping to be convinced by a compelling argument. Otherwise it seems our hopes to break this cycle of 26 years rests squarely on the shoulders of Lady Luck.

If you are convinced otherwise, let me know why, lol.

In all seriousness, this franchise has learned nothing. Jerry is too stubborn to learn. Go back to when Jimmy was let go, remember how much the media would mock Jerry for being the GM. Does anyone remember that? Jerry is in this sicky symbiotic relationship with the media, whether it is Fox, ESPN, the NFL in general, etc. He is their useful idiot.
The league other team owners the media networks know his team bring eyeballs. They are the most hated team and the most loved team.
If you could give Jerry truth serum he would agree that winning a Super Bowl or even competing for one does nothing for his organization, bottom line, revenue. He is not incentivized to win.
Going back to the symbiotic relationship, as long as he doesn't go 3-13 he, the league is happy. The game gets flexed to Sunday night, 8-8, or 7-9 or 9-7. It's all gravy, he just needs to be in the spotlight.
For this team to actually win, he needs to revamp the organization and rebuild. It will only take a couple of years, you bottom out. Hire a great coach, hire the best scouts, analytics team. The ownership has to commit to this and the team will be competing for a SB very quickly.
The team is not trying to win a SB. Jerry has 3 SB's, highest value franchise, a media darling, a HOF'er.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The team is not trying to win a SB.

I see that feeling here a lot, and I fully understand how folks can come to that conclusion. However, to me it doesn't compute;

1. The 3 SBs came with Jimmy or Jimmy's team. Jimmy got most of the credit for the first 2 and a lot for the 3rd. More than anything, Jerry wants a Super Bowl win with not one iota of Jimmy in it. Jerry can't stand that he doesn't get more credit for the 3 SB wins.
2. The Pats and the Steelers have 6 rings each. Cowboys only 5. Jerry wants to be first in everything, it has to gall him that he's "number 2".
3. As far as money and being on tv go, how better to bring in more money and more attention than to win another SB? Especially after this long, don't you know the Eagles reveled in their first championship in 60 years? And they at least appeared in some before that, though they lost. Can we even imagine Jerry's "bringing glory back to the Dallas Cowboys" story lines? Talk about attention! Jerry would be on every major and minor television network, even non-sports networks.
4. Yes Jerry knows he's not "got 'er done" as gm the last 26 years, but it doesn't matter. He thinks his way is best, results or not, surely it's just a matter of time before he "strikes it rich". He can't fathom it may not happen, can't see the trees for the forest, as it were.

I've had this discussion with several posters here, don't bother trying to debate me, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Also no problem if others disagree, that's why we're on this site (supposedly) to "cuss (well not literally, that'll get you banned/blocked) and discuss" the Cowboys. But it's been beat to death, no need to go over it again....

 

[RonnieT24]

We all want to see the Cowboys move to a place where they can compete for a SB or at least a conference championship for the first time in over a quarter century.

So two serious questions:

1. What has this franchise (and its leadership) learned the last few years that makes us closer to a championship for the first time in 26 seasons?
   
2. Is there anything that gives you confidence that this team will make the playoffs in back to back seasons for the first time in 15 years?

I’m curious where fans are on this. I’m hoping to be convinced by a compelling argument. Otherwise it seems our hopes to break this cycle of 26 years rests squarely on the shoulders of Lady Luck.

If you are convinced otherwise, let me know why, lol.

This team would not appear to be Super Bowl worthy in 2022 for two reasons.. Kellen and Moore.. I think Quinn in year two will fashion a Super Bowl caliber defense. I think Williams will be every bit the disruptive force Gregory was without all the baggage. I think Gallimore, Hill, Osa, Urban, Bohanna and Ridgeway represent a real chance to have a stout middle of the defense for the first time in.. hell yeah.. about 15 years. I think the secondary will be at least decent and will look even better with Parsons, Williams and Lawrence huntin the opposing QBs. I think those three along with Fowler and Armstrong are going to give us a great pass rush.. and yes I said great.. not good.. I think the LB corps will be pretty good as well especially if my prediction about the DTs comes true.

In short I trust Dan Quinn .. I don't trust Kellen Moore. For most of the last three seasons when I have seen the Cowboys making great plays on offense it has almost never been because I saw what I thought was a great play call.. It always seems to involve Dak fighting off the rush to buy time, Zeke or Pollard breaking a tackle in the backfield or a receiver making a good catch after a good throw then doing big thangs after the catch. Not that there have not been moments when guys were clearly schemed open.. There just has not been enough of them for me.. especially not against better teams.

 

[Redsfan_83]

I see that feeling here a lot, and I fully understand how folks can come to that conclusion. However, to me it doesn't compute;

1. The 3 SBs came with Jimmy or Jimmy's team. Jimmy got most of the credit for the first 2 and a lot for the 3rd. More than anything, Jerry wants a Super Bowl win with not one iota of Jimmy in it. Jerry can't stand that he doesn't get more credit for the 3 SB wins.
2. The Pats and the Steelers have 6 rings each. Cowboys only 5. Jerry wants to be first in everything, it has to gall him that he's "number 2".
3. As far as money and being on tv go, how better to bring in more money and more attention than to win another SB? Especially after this long, don't you know the Eagles reveled in their first championship in 60 years? And they at least appeared in some before that, though they lost. Can we even imagine Jerry's "bringing glory back to the Dallas Cowboys" story lines? Talk about attention! Jerry would be on every major and minor television network, even non-sports networks.
4. Yes Jerry knows he's not "got 'er done" as gm the last 26 years, but it doesn't matter. He thinks his way is best, results or not, surely it's just a matter of time before he "strikes it rich". He can't fathom it may not happen, can't see the trees for the forest, as it were.

I've had this discussion with several posters here, don't bother trying to debate me, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Also no problem if others disagree, that's why we're on this site (supposedly) to "cuss (well not literally, that'll get you banned/blocked) and discuss" the Cowboys. But it's been beat to death, no need to go over it again....

I see you ponit, however:

2. Cowboys have 5 rings, how many in the last 3 decades...this is the anger we feel as fans
3. As long as we are still America's Team we will be on tv, and as long as the Cowboys franchise draws reveneue we will be on tv

I don't think there is one person in the world or this site that beleive Jerry doesn't want to win another ring, it clearly bothers him. THE problem is he does not know what it takes to do so, and refuses to let others outside the organization guide him properly in order to do so. I for one can take the ups and downs if this was a franchise run like the Ravens, but we are stuck with the Jones'. Only franchise worse to be a fan of right now would be the Washington Watchmacallits, and perhaps the Texans

 

[CouchCoach]

I don’t fault anyone for having hope. Mine is solely based on a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. But I’m cool with whatever makes another fan have hope that this org has learned something. Just convince me what it is.

How does one learn from their mistakes? That is the teacher known as ‘experience”, not just the passage of time or time on the job.
What price have these people paid for bad decisions or mistakes? None. So, why would they get better at their jobs?
They actually get rewarded regardless, so why change?
They prefer to spend their time telling those willing to listen that they know what they’re doing instead of investing that time in getting better.

No, I do not think they will win the East.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Port Arthur

Hey you don't bring up Port Arthur without mentioning it's Jimmy Johnson's home town. I still remember how all the guys looked at him when he said Janis Joplin never wore panties.

 

[dckid]

I see that feeling here a lot, and I fully understand how folks can come to that conclusion. However, to me it doesn't compute;

1. The 3 SBs came with Jimmy or Jimmy's team. Jimmy got most of the credit for the first 2 and a lot for the 3rd. More than anything, Jerry wants a Super Bowl win with not one iota of Jimmy in it. Jerry can't stand that he doesn't get more credit for the 3 SB wins.
2. The Pats and the Steelers have 6 rings each. Cowboys only 5. Jerry wants to be first in everything, it has to gall him that he's "number 2".
3. As far as money and being on tv go, how better to bring in more money and more attention than to win another SB? Especially after this long, don't you know the Eagles reveled in their first championship in 60 years? And they at least appeared in some before that, though they lost. Can we even imagine Jerry's "bringing glory back to the Dallas Cowboys" story lines? Talk about attention! Jerry would be on every major and minor television network, even non-sports networks.
4. Yes Jerry knows he's not "got 'er done" as gm the last 26 years, but it doesn't matter. He thinks his way is best, results or not, surely it's just a matter of time before he "strikes it rich". He can't fathom it may not happen, can't see the trees for the forest, as it were.

I've had this discussion with several posters here, don't bother trying to debate me, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Also no problem if others disagree, that's why we're on this site (supposedly) to "cuss (well not literally, that'll get you banned/blocked) and discuss" the Cowboys. But it's been beat to death, no need to go over it again....

Like you said we can agree to disagree. A person can assume Jerry wants to win but show me what has he done over the past 27 years to show that he actually wants to win a Super Bowl or really compete. I believe it is foolish for us fans to expect a Super Bowl. My expectations is to be good enough to reach a championship game and actually have a team good enough to be a legitimate contender.

Jerry gets zero credit for the 3 SB's other than he hired Jimmy. I know what will irk a lot of people but its the truth. If we fans cannot see what is actually going on after 27 years it is truly hopeless. He has the organization stuck in purgatory, we never really bottom out, and we can never really get good enough to compete.
The proof being
2007,2009,2014,2016,2018, 2021. So 6 years out of 27

 

[dckid]

I see you ponit, however:

2. Cowboys have 5 rings, how many in the last 3 decades...this is the anger we feel as fans
3. As long as we are still America's Team we will be on tv, and as long as the Cowboys franchise draws reveneue we will be on tv

I don't think there is one person in the world or this site that beleive Jerry doesn't want to win another ring, it clearly bothers him. THE problem is he does not know what it takes to do so, and refuses to let others outside the organization guide him properly in order to do so. I for one can take the ups and downs if this was a franchise run like the Ravens, but we are stuck with the Jones'. Only franchise worse to be a fan of right now would be the Washington Watchmacallits, and perhaps the Texans

@Redsfan_83 , i truly believe Jerry does not want to win another SB. He does not have the desire to do it. Look at his incentives. "Show me the incentive, I will show you the outcome"
Charlie Munger I believe.. This statement still holds true.
For Jerry to win, his stench would have to be removed form this organization starting from the core to the culture to the hoopla to all of this sideshow stuff he does.

He needs to go back to just being in the box, and coming on the field after the game is won.
Remember how controversial even that was when he would do that?

 

[DonaldM]

Hey you don't bring up Port Arthur without mentioning it's Jimmy Johnson's home town. I still remember how all the guys looked at him when he said Janis Joplin never wore panties.

Not sure I would have admitted that...she could sing though. I grew up a few miles away.

 

[Montanalo]

In all seriousness, I believe the organization has learned several things the past few years, beginning with:

Garrett wasn't the answer as either the OC or HC.

They need a good-to-great QB and, after 2016, they thought they found their man. You can debate the greatness of Dak (or not), but there is no doubt they have gone "all in" with Dak, much like they did with Garrett.

A good-to-great OL can cover up a lot of offensive ills.

Overall, better drafting ... seems like a bit less focus on flash and more emphasis on talent.

My issue is that these and other similar "learnings" are not institutionalized... meaning, they have to relearn every few years.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Not sure I would have admitted that...she could sing though. I grew up a few miles away.

I'm from Bmt. It's crazy to have two Dallas head coaches from the Golden Triangle. Wade Phillips was born in Orange and grew up in the Port Neches-Groves area.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Anything our franchise leaders have learned that gives you confidence?

No. They haven't learned anything. They gave Amari Cooper away for a bag of chips and let Cedric Wilson walk without doing anything to improve our WR core...

As much as I do like Cee Dee and Gallup, neither are a true number 1 receiver. We need (what Nate Newton calls) a big greasy to play center. Tyler is too undersized.

I've heard many rag on our pass rushers. Yes, they're bad but not any worse then some of the other teams... I think we're ok on defense... We desperately need changes done to offense up to and including OC...

 

[visionary]

We all want to see the Cowboys move to a place where they can compete for a SB or at least a conference championship for the first time in over a quarter century.

So two serious questions:

1. What has this franchise (and its leadership) learned the last few years that makes us closer to a championship for the first time in 26 seasons?
   
2. Is there anything that gives you confidence that this team will make the playoffs in back to back seasons for the first time in 15 years?

I’m curious where fans are on this. I’m hoping to be convinced by a compelling argument. Otherwise it seems our hopes to break this cycle of 26 years rests squarely on the shoulders of Lady Luck.

If you are convinced otherwise, let me know why, lol.

ABSOFREAKINGLUTELYNOTHING

 

[DonaldM]

I'm from Bmt. It's crazy to have two Dallas head coaches from the Golden Triangle. Wade Phillips was born in Orange and grew up in the Port Neches-Groves area.

His dad couched for my HS back in the 50's. My entire family grew up in Beaumont. South Park area.

 

[bigE79]

We all want to see the Cowboys move to a place where they can compete for a SB or at least a conference championship for the first time in over a quarter century.

So two serious questions:

1. What has this franchise (and its leadership) learned the last few years that makes us closer to a championship for the first time in 26 seasons?
   
2. Is there anything that gives you confidence that this team will make the playoffs in back to back seasons for the first time in 15 years?

I’m curious where fans are on this. I’m hoping to be convinced by a compelling argument. Otherwise it seems our hopes to break this cycle of 26 years rests squarely on the shoulders of Lady Luck.

If you are convinced otherwise, let me know why, lol.

They have learned how to horde money, other than that, NOTHING.

 

[John813]

In all seriousness, I believe the organization has learned several things the past few years, beginning with:

Garrett wasn't the answer as either the OC or HC.

They need a good-to-great QB and, after 2016, they thought they found their man. You can debate the greatness of Dak (or not), but there is no doubt they have gone "all in" with Dak, much like they did with Garrett.

A good-to-great OL can cover up a lot of offensive ills.

Overall, better drafting ... seems like a bit less focus on flash and more emphasis on talent.

My issue is that these and other similar "learnings" are not institutionalized... meaning, they have to relearn every few years.

The Cowboys kept Garrett in their back pocket when it came to possibly keeping him after the 19-20 season according to Archer.
Inside the eight days it took the Dallas Cowboys to hire a head coach - Dallas Cowboys Blog- ESPN

The high-level source said there was never a time Garrett was considered for a front-office role with the Cowboys. Garrett stated after the Washington game he wanted to continue to coach and he wanted it to be with Dallas. The high-ranking source said that had the Cowboys not been overwhelmed by McCarthy or any other candidates, there was a chance Garrett could have returned as coach.
On Sunday, Jan. 5, the Joneses were convinced McCarthy was their guy and they informed Garrett he would not be back in 2020, as Fox Sports first reported. Jones put out a lengthy statement thanking Garrett for his work and dedication after so many years as a player, assistant coach and head coach, dating to 1992.

They never fired Garrett, instead let his contract expire on the 14th.
I think their main flaw is getting comfortable with certain coaches/players/FO etc and don't like to rock the boat unless they have to.

 

[Jake]

One more off-season and we'll be ready.

Jerry's 30 year plan is finally going to come to fruition?

 

[MarkP88]

We all want to see the Cowboys move to a place where they can compete for a SB or at least a conference championship for the first time in over a quarter century.

So two serious questions:

1. What has this franchise (and its leadership) learned the last few years that makes us closer to a championship for the first time in 26 seasons?
   
2. Is there anything that gives you confidence that this team will make the playoffs in back to back seasons for the first time in 15 years?

I’m curious where fans are on this. I’m hoping to be convinced by a compelling argument. Otherwise it seems our hopes to break this cycle of 26 years rests squarely on the shoulders of Lady Luck.

If you are convinced otherwise, let me know why, lol.

1. Nada
2. No, except maybe that we play in a terrible division. But the other teams have all improved themselves this offseason, so it's less a sense of confidence and more a "well, I wouldn't be surprised."