What if Chaz Green didn't have injury issues

[Alexander]

Green may not get his head above water and he has a long way to go but I am not going to worry about it yet.

Worry? I don't even care what he does.

He has to prove he can stay healthy and then I might actually worry about his role going forward.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

So, let me get this straight.

We are playing a make believe game in this thread.

How much of a steal did we get if the player that has a recordable history of injury issues just never really really had them?

LOL

It is just par for the course I guess.

I don't believe anyone is arguing against any injury history. You are just throwing everything against the wall hoping for something to stick, you are left holding on to the injury past as if it is something no one has thought of or noticed. It is a risk the organization is willing to take on a guy who has talent.

 

[Alexander]

I don't believe anyone is arguing against any injury history. You are just throwing everything against the wall hoping for something to stick, you are left holding on to the injury past as if it is something no one has thought of or noticed. It is a risk the organization is willing to take on a guy who has talent.

"Throwing everything against the wall"?

The whole point of this asinine thread is to pretend "if".

I am sorry I don't play that idiotic game to make myself feel better about a choice I feel was forced.

 

[xwalker]

You have this huge signature which depicts a pl;ay where Murray had a huge hole and then the text suggests this was thew norm. False advertise much?

The text is specific to that play. Anything else is just your perception.

 

[Alexander]

They text is specific to that play. Anything else is just your perception.

And I am sure that was exactly what you meant to convey when you adopted it as your signature line.

Take a look at this picture. Let your interpretation take hold from here. Thanks.

 

[dallasdave]

Green is almost irrelevant since we acquired Collins. Plus if he couldn't even hack rookie mini camp without issues, I really don't count on him for anything.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Did he also reiterate his stance that Fred and Hitchens were wasted draft picks?

Yes and promised to remind me when it becomes obvious that Hitch is a JAG.

18 games and we're still waiting for him to let us know.

 

[dallasdave]

Take a good look at every single player picked after Green. Are you willing to say, point blank, he was the best prospect regardless of position? Because that is what you are saying when you invoke the BPA.

He was BPATAFAN. Best player available that also filled a need.

They wanted a swing tackle, they took the one player that had that high to fill the vacancy.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

"Throwing everything against the wall"?

The whole point of this asinine thread is to pretend "if".

I am sorry I don't play that idiotic game to make myself feel better about a choice I feel was forced.

That is fair if you believe the selection was forced, but that is not how the organization feels.

You first ridiculed his performance at the rookie mini camp, but then it was shown that it is very common for rookies to struggle and come in out of shape. Then you talk about how the organization had reached on a player of need as if it were fact when it was said Green was at the top of the draft board when they picked in the 3rd. The only valid criticism you threw out there was an injury past which Dallas is willing to gamble on.

Yes, I would say that was throwing stuff against the wall hoping for something to stick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, let me get this straight.

We are playing a make believe game in this thread.

How much of a steal did we get if the player that has a recordable history of injury issues just never really really had them?

LOL

It is just par for the course I guess.

theo brings this up but when looking for trends in injury histories there really are not many. It seems random largely absent certain conditions. Perforate your meniscus, break your lisfranc, or certain types of damage to rotator cuffs and the recurrence is likely which bears out in the stats. There is evidence of gene expression that impacts the tensile strength of tendons and ligaments as well.

Any of that I find valid. Now it is possible that Green falls into some of those actually correlating issues particularly that shoulder injury he had. OTOH, I don't think you can paint a broad brush with guys with multiple injuries particularly when it is not the same injury over and over again or when the injuries do not fall into said categories.

 

[xwalker]

I just chuckle that you are just banking on Collins being the antidote to the Free virus you hate so much.

I don't see how you get that from what I posted. My top concern is that they find the best swing Tackle. Replacing Leary at LG with Collins does not really do much to help the team in 2015, but finding the best swing Tackle is critical.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Worry? I don't even care what he does.

He has to prove he can stay healthy and then I might actually worry about his role going forward.

Thanks for the non-sequitur I guess. I was speaking as to what I was going to do speaking to someone else. I never said you were and I also have the impression that if you were you wouldn't admit to it anyway.

 

[Alexander]

I don't see how you get that from what I posted. My top concern is that they find the best swing Tackle. Replacing Leary at LG with Collins does not really do much to help the team in 2015, but finding the best swing Tackle is critical.

You just value that more because you have an unhealthy hatred of Doug Free and still have unresolved romantic issues with Parnell.

I get it. I wanted a one-technique DT pretty bad. But I don't go starting threads about being bitter and throwing out "what ifs".

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You just value that more because you have an unhealthy hatred of Doug Free and still have unresolved romantic issues with Parnell.

I get it. I wanted a one-technique DT pretty bad. But I don't go starting threads about being bitter and throwing out "what ifs".

Your krew certainly likes to try and come up with reasons to discredit people ad hominem style so you can dismiss everything that they say with a blanket dismissal.

I don't disagree that JP was his pet cat but he is hardly alone in having pet cats and that doesn't make your blanket dismissal valid.

 

[jnday]

Hmm. Player has an affirmed history of injuries and being soft.

Leaves both practices at rookie minicamp with minor nicks.

Yeah, just unreasonable.

You: oft injured player is a reach that I must support. Leave brain at door.

In fact, the idea this player left for issues in a "non-contact" rookie mini-camp?

That tells me he is not only soft but poorly conditioned as well.

Why can you see the reality of the situation so easily? Why can't others?

 

[Idgit]

Green is almost irrelevant since we acquired Collins. Plus if he couldn't even hack rookie mini camp without issues, I really don't count on him for anything.

If Collins makes the move to LG, then Green's the odds-on swing OT next season and probably going forward after Leary takes his degenerative knee elsewhere next year. Free's just signed a reasonable extension and isn't going anywhere for a couple of years, at least.

Nobody ought to be counting on a mid-round rookie for anything yet, anyway. Whatever he gets at his draft position, he'll have to earn. But he was a top high school prospect coming out for a reason. If he's go the right attitude and puts in the work, he'll have the inside track for that wide open swing tackle role. That's an important position because it lets us go deeper on gameday at other places on the roster, which we're going to want to do if we're carrying 3 QBs and an extra LB or so this season.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why can you see the reality of the situation so easily? Why can't others?

The reality was that he had cramping due to dehydration in his calf. Nick is a nebulous term that can mean many things but I take it to mean an actual injury which he didn't have.

You guys are really good at cheering each other on at least.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

If Dallas feels good about Chaz Green during training camp, I could see flipping Leary for an RB upgrade. If they don't, then it probably wouldn't be wise.

 

[xwalker]

So, let me get this straight.

We are playing a make believe game in this thread.

How much of a steal did we get if the player that has a recordable history of injury issues just never really really had them?

LOL

It is just par for the course I guess.

No. I want to review how much of his ranking was due to talent and how much was due to injury concerns.

I'm not making any claims in this thread on how much risk is involved with his injury issues.

The thought came to me when I was thinking about whether Collins should focus on Guard or Tackle. I wanted to contemplate how much difference there might be between Green and Collins in terms of talent to play OT.

In general, I believe that the draft media should just omit medical and character from their rankings and let the fans decide how much they think those issues affect their draft value. The analysts could give them a separate grade for medical or character concerns. It is hard enough for the media to attempt to rank all of the players in the draft just based on talent. Once you throw medical and character into the mix, it becomes almost impossible for the draft media to come up with accurate rankings.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

Why can you see the reality of the situation so easily? Why can't others?

What is there to see?

He left because of dehydration and being out of shape which is a very common occurrence to rookies. It even happened to Dez Bryant. So we are not allowed to pull for a member of the football team to succeed now? Is that what you are saying? Dallas is taking a gamble on a talented guy with a injury past, this is not the first and far from the last time this will happen in the NFL.