What would you do about Roy? Trade him?

[AdamJT13]

If you were a coach would you sell out your players to the media?

Why would Parcells blame one player instead of blaming whoever was at fault? And why would Parcells blame Roy at some times but not others, if he was always at fault? And why would Parcells explain the same coverages the same ways on totally unrelated plays in other games, if he was really lying the first time?

 

[Vtwin]

That isn't selling them out.

He flat out said several times that it wasn't Roy's assignment.

He was posturing?

Sorry I did not make myself clear.I was trying to say that a good coach is NOT going to sell out his players by admitting to the media that they were missing assignments even if they were.A good coach deals with that in-house and does not publicly embarrass his players.Coaches are not always honest with the media, no?

 

[zrinkill]

Okay. I will certainly try.

What is the secondary assignment of the 2 OLBs in a 3-4 or Nickel scheme?

If you answered coverage underneath you are correct.



Who is currently providing our coverage underneath, and also watching the deep middle?

If you said Roy, you are correct again.



Why is he being asked to divide his assignments?

If you answered because our 3 primary OLB's are all converted DEs you are on a roll.



Roy plays very aggressive. Have any of you noticed that he doesn't have many big hits this year? Not because he's lost it, but because teams no longer throw it to the zone underneath him. he takes that away by sheer intimidation. So then, where would this leave him vulnerable?

Right, over the top. You guys are blaming Roy for the offenses taking what we give them.



I simply do not understand it. The guy makes big plays that change games. When you combine takeaways, sacks, and tackles that the guy provides this team and compare it against any other SS in the NFL he is miles ahead.

That hardly equates to a total waste.

Ownage!

 

[zrinkill]

Here's a direct challenge to you --

1) On Moss' TD catch, explain who covers the tight end on a curl at the goal line in front of Roy.

2) Explain the coverage on Kyle Brady's TD catch and why the safety lined up to the far outside on the right is "supposed to" cover the tight end lined up on the far left instead of the tight end right in front of him. Also, explain the coverage responsibilities of Burnett and James, the two linebackers lined up right across from Kyle Brady.

Man i go to lunch for an hour and you guys have destroyed all the silly Roy haters.

 

[zrinkill]

I'll reply with this:

Who would trade for him, given the cost?

Landry ..... thats it.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I see your point but it also doesn't mean that I(we) are NOT objective.Like I said before, I want what is best for the football team that has been a part of my life for just about as long as I can remember. I would LOVE for RW to be the best SS in football and to help this team win another championship.It is hard for me to say that I don't think he is the guy. I can't discount what I see though.I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.Sincerely.

Nothing wrong with wanting the best for the team. I think the passion displayed in this thread solidifies that position on both sides of the argument.

But going back to your point about perspective. I see the catch by Watson as good execution by the Pats. Someone else sees Roy getting toasted.

What I see many times is if a ball is caught in the secondary and Roy is anywhere near the vicinity, then it must've been his fault. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

The point being made by the "Roy defenders" is all safeties get beat at some point, even the great Ed Reed, and his mistakes doesn't lessen his overall play in their eyes.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry I did not make myself clear.I was trying to say that a good coach is NOT going to sell out his players by admitting to the media that they were missing assignments even if they were.A good coach deals with that in-house and does not publicly embarrass his players.Coaches are not always honest with the media, no?

Uh...

"Let's not put him in Canton yet."

"We can't turn the ball over deep in our own territory."

"You can't be missing tackles when you have no help behind you."

"He needs to get rid of the ball."


I imagined Parcells saying those kinds of things?

I don't think he was a shield or shelter for his players at all.

 

[zrinkill]

The point being made by the "Roy defenders" is all safeties get beat at some point, even the great Ed Reed, and his mistakes doesn't lessen his overall play in their eyes.

I think that is the real problem ..... since we have not had any success in so very long .... the "fans" have no respect for Roy Williams .... so they cannot look past his bad plays to see all the good ones.

Sad really.

 

[sacase]

I understand coverages. You have to understand them to know how to beat them.

Our #1 defensive problem is not any player. It is getting to the QB faster. By season's end when these kids understand all the nuances better I think we'll be doing that quite well. We got to Brady more than 5 other teams combined, yet he still had time.

It bothers me to see a player blamed instead of a scheme.

I am not in the blame Roy crowd Hos. I think he played a solid game. Your right the flaw was in the coverage, not the players. I firmly belive if we played Newman in the slot things would have been a lot different.

I was trying to make a point to stasheroo about his claim of people who didn't play the game. Sometimes people forget that there is another guy who is trying to make a play also. WR's have so much of a advantage it is sick.

 

[Cochese]

I think that is the real problem ..... since we have not had any success in so very long .... the "fans" have no respect for Roy Williams .... so they cannot look past his bad plays to see all the good ones.

Sad really.

Cowboy fans are used to great safety play, it has more to do with that than the fact that we sucked recently. He was the best player on the team when he was drafted and back in those early years he was all over the field...now not so much.

 

[khiladi]

Cowboy fans are used to great safety play, it has more to do with that than the fact that we suck. He was the best player on the team when he was drafted and back in those early years he was all over the field...now not so much.

That is about as vague an answer as they come... You ask for solid evidence that Roy is playing bad, whiffing on tackles, and we get:

1. He keeps whiffing on tackles
2. He is a liability in coverage
3. He was suppose to guard a particular person, without giving any justification why that was his responsibility

No play to substantiate any of their claims... Even when Chicago scored against Dallas on that drive, it was Ayodele who got badly burned in coverage...

 

[Cochese]

No play to substantiate any of their claims... Even when Chicago scored against Dallas on that drive, it was Ayodele who got badly burned in coverage...

Who was it that threw a shoulder and bounced off?

 

[Stash]

Why can't you just answer the questions?

And who says Roy wasn't on the correct page? Who says Hamlin wasn't supposed to have the inside coverage on Moss in that situation?

What question do you want me to answer?

I'll do my best.

 

[Stash]

Okay Stash, that is what I want to focus on right there.

If the offense finds a way to beat the defensive scheme being run does it mean that the players in that scheme are deficient?

A simple yes or no.

Yes.

In that instance, they were deficent.

 

[BigDFan5]

Still waiting on someone to answer Adam's questions, I get the feeling I will be waiting awile

 

[khiladi]

Who was it that threw a shoulder and bounced off?

So you have one bad tackle, that isn't even dealing with coverage responsibilities? Is that enough evidence to substantiate he is always missing on tackles, or is a liability on pass coverage...

You would think the way you talk about Roy, the Bears were exposing Roy the whole time... yet, the only exposed play was not even on him, but Ayodele...

 

[AdamJT13]

What question do you want me to answer?

I'll do my best.

The Patriots line up exactly how they did on Moss' TD catch, and we have the same coverage called.

Let's say Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

 

[Cochese]

You would think the way you talk about Roy, the Bears were exposing Roy the whole time... yet, the only exposed play was not even on him, but Ayodele...

Why are you blaming Ayodele? That was a 15 yard pass that turned into a 6o yard pass because the fearsome intimidator bounced off.

 

[royhitshard]

So let's sum this up...

Roy haters=ALWAYS his fault
Roy supporters=sometimes his fault

I think he has played well this year. None of us know what each players assignment is...we can only guess. Most of you act like the secondary should have completely shut down the Patriots. Name one team THIS YEAR that has held Brady to less than 3 touchdowns? Don't worry, I will answer it for you...ZERO!!! When a great offense runs the play as designed and makes great cuts, throws, and positioning, there is not much the defense can do. Great QB's like Brady and all his weapons are going to score.

It was one freaking game and until the end the Boy's were in it. Give it a rest...it is a long season.

 

[Stash]

Honest question here.

Last year the media kept asking the same questions that fans are asking today.

More often than not Parcells said Roy did his assignment right.

Parcells knew nothing about coverage assignments? Wade doesn't? Brian Stewart doesn't? Bowles doesn't?




Why hasn't that sunk in yet?

Honest question here as well:

Why does the defense have to be adjusted to allow Williams to play closer to the line of scrimmage?