Who uses a mac?

[WoodysGirl]

I actually have a Dell desktop that I just realized is 7 years old and a Dell laptop that is 5 years old.

I haven't had any issues other than lack of memory and hard drive space. That's more because I was too cheap to buy a sufficient amount of either when I was purchasing them.

I've had more blue screens of death with my job's Lenova ThinkPad laptop than I've ever had with my personal computers.

BTW, these PC vs Mac threads alway amuses me. The heatedness ranks right up there with Cowboys vs Commanders discussions.

 

[Hoofbite]

My wife's Dell laptop is five years old. The primary demo laptop I have (also a Dell) at work is six years old. If you had a laptop that failed soon after you purchased it, you just got a lemon. It's not normal for laptops (any brand) to fail soon after purchasing them, but it does happen.

Wasn't a lemon. Friends of mine have had similar experiences with pretty much the same model. Slightly different but almost the same. Think it was Inspirons 5100, 5150, 5160.

I had the 5150 off of a recommendation from a friend who had the 5100 and another friend of mine decided to buy the 5160 after he came over and checked mine out.

None of those computers had a long lifespan. All Lemons I suppose. Within 6 months, all of these computers were purchased and all had serious problems within the 1st year.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Wasn't a lemon. Friends of mine have had similar experiences with pretty much the same model. Slightly different but almost the same. Think it was Inspirons 5100, 5150, 5160.

I had the 5150 off of a recommendation from a friend who had the 5100 and another friend of mine decided to buy the 5160 after he came over and checked mine out.

None of those computers had a long lifespan. All Lemons I suppose. Within 6 months, all of these computers were purchased and all had serious problems within the 1st year.

The Inspirion line at Dell is their worst and cheapest line of laptops. I wouldn't recommend them to a Commanders fan.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Disclaimer I am talking about Desktops, not Laptops as I just don't care for laptops and rarely work on them.

Sometimes the PC problems are really an ID 10 T error...aka users are the problem because they don't know what they are doing.

Also the problem with some PCs is you sometimes get what you pay for and if you get the low end cost cutting line of a computer company again you are getting what you paid for with it.


The best thing is to order quality parts (although you could skimp on a few things to save bucks) and put it together yourself or have someone that knows what they are doing to put it together for you. Now this is of course for personal use or low end volume. You would not do something like that if you are ordering a large amount for your company.

Also proper maintenance of the computer is essential. Most people know how to surf the net, play music, play games and email but it is shocking the number of people that can not even do a simple disc clean or defrag. Also if you are a person that downloads a great deal or loads a great deal of programs on your computer only to use it a few times and leave it alone or delete them...it is good to do a reformat of the hard drive around once a year.

I would imagine many of the people who complain about PCs and are always saying they break down on them would have much better results if they spent the money on quality parts (maybe even less than what it would cost to get a new mac) and learn how to do some basic things and they would not have a problem with them.

That does not mean that PCs don't have problems. However in my exp, more often than not I have found that it is because the person having problems usually bought a cheap cheap computer with inferior parts and also just does not know much beyond some very basic computer things.

I can not say too much about macs other than I think I would not care to put that kind of money into one with the limited amount of things I could do as far as hardware options and so on. With a PC I like the idea that if I want a larger HD I can just go and buy another one, make it a secondary HD or ghost my original to it and be done with it instead of having a limited option of what HD I can get, where I can get it and if I have to take it somewhere to have someone else do it for me. Same with an upgraded Sound/video card and other hardware.

I also like the idea that I have a multitude of Cases I could buy instead of basically the same one with maybe a variation of color.

Just more options IMO in the PC world vs the Mac world.

In a world where some, not saying anyone on here, try to pass off being different by having a mac it is kind of Ironic that most have basically the same looking computer and hardware on said computers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Disclaimer I am talking about Desktops, not Laptops as I just don't care for laptops and rarely work on them.

Sometimes the PC problems are really an ID 10 T error...aka users are the problem because they don't know what they are doing.

Also the problem with some PCs is you sometimes get what you pay for and if you get the low end cost cutting line of a computer company again you are getting what you paid for with it.


The best thing is to order quality parts (although you could skimp on a few things to save bucks) and put it together yourself or have someone that knows what they are doing to put it together for you. Now this is of course for personal use or low end volume. You would not do something like that if you are ordering a large amount for your company.

Also proper maintenance of the computer is essential. Most people know how to surf the net, play music, play games and email but it is shocking the number of people that can not even do a simple disc clean or defrag. Also if you are a person that downloads a great deal or loads a great deal of programs on your computer only to use it a few times and leave it alone or delete them...it is good to do a reformat of the hard drive around once a year.

I would imagine many of the people who complain about PCs and are always saying they break down on them would have much better results if they spent the money on quality parts (maybe even less than what it would cost to get a new mac) and learn how to do some basic things and they would not have a problem with them.

That does not mean that PCs don't have problems. However in my exp, more often than not I have found that it is because the person having problems usually bought a cheap cheap computer with inferior parts and also just does not know much beyond some very basic computer things.

I can not say too much about macs other than I think I would not care to put that kind of money into one with the limited amount of things I could do as far as hardware options and so on. With a PC I like the idea that if I want a larger HD I can just go and buy another one, make it a secondary HD or ghost my original to it and be done with it instead of having a limited option of what HD I can get, where I can get it and if I have to take it somewhere to have someone else do it for me. Same with an upgraded Sound/video card and other hardware.

I also like the idea that I have a multitude of Cases I could buy instead of basically the same one with maybe a variation of color.

Just more options IMO in the PC world vs the Mac world.

In a world where some, not saying anyone on here, try to pass off being different by having a mac it is kind of Ironic that most have basically the same looking computer and hardware on said computers.

Preach on brother!

 

[vta]

I'm not talking bookkeeping, I said a real full fledged accountant. (you know, CPA or corporate / tax / law accountant) Come to New York and find a quantitative analyst that works for a bank that isn't just investing his own money that uses a Mac for his number crunching.

Being an Apple zealot doesn't make what you spew true, it makes you look like a sheep in Steve Job's pasture.

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You apparently have no better grasp of the meaning of zealot, than you do Illustrator.

The simple fact is, you answered an honest question with a shallow ill-informed answer. Someone in position to give an honest informed answer rebutted your assertion, in a civil manner no less, and you've engaged in a pretty zealous attempt to avoid simply accepting this.

The OP has his answer, from the person you still insist is wrong about something. The only thing I got wrong was thinking I could debate from the standpoint of reason, with someone who is obviously lacking in it.

 

[the kid 05]

I'm not talking bookkeeping, I said a real full fledged accountant. (you know, CPA or corporate / tax / law accountant) Come to New York and find a quantitative analyst that works for a bank that isn't just investing his own money that uses a Mac for his number crunching.

Being an Apple zealot doesn't make what you spew true, it makes you look like a sheep in Steve Job's pasture.

I have noticed you have a SEVERE hate for all things apple. did Job's piss in your cheerios one day? You are reminding me of the Apple people i can't stand, "pcs are pure trash" "pc's are good for nothing". If you can't realize that both Mac's and Windows ran computers are both good machines if utilized properly then that sucks. And saying one is just good for one thing and the other does another thing better is full fledged r-tard snydrom.

 

[YosemiteSam]

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You apparently have no better grasp of the meaning of zealot, than you do Illustrator.

The simple fact is, you answered an honest question with a shallow ill-informed answer. Someone in position to give an honest informed answer rebutted your assertion, in a civil manner no less, and you've engaged in a pretty zealous attempt to avoid simply accepting this.

The OP has his answer, from the person you still insist is wrong about something. The only thing I got wrong was thinking I could debate from the standpoint of reason, with someone who is obviously lacking in it.

Whatever dude, go play with your Apple.

 

[TheCount]

But even on that, you have more and better choices if you shop around for computer cases/mice/keyboards. You can get as fancy, sleek, functional, etc as you want. Even if you don't want to build it yourself, which I would always recommend, you can find places which allow you a great deal of customization on every single component.

For instance, http://www.cyberpowerpc.com is one. It's also cheap as hell.

I think Apple designs some of the best hardware around, I don't think many people even put stock in chassis design until Apple made it an emphasis and they still do it better than the vast majority.

You can't really go wrong with aluminum and glass.

Don't buy a $400 laptop if you want better hardware. Thats where people confuse the two. Apple does have better hardware than a $400 laptop, but if you buy a $2k laptop, the hardware won't be any more high quality.

Read my elaboration, I'm talking about the design of the hardware not the internals.

What you're saying is something you learned from Apple zealot F.U.D. (Fear, Uncertainty, & Doubt) F.U.D. is a tool to used to make some company's product look better than it's competition when it isn't true at all..

No, I'm not. I'm perfectly capable of coming to my own decisions regarding what I do and do not like.

You know who makes the best tablet laptop? It sure as hell isn't Apple. It's Fujitsu. I'm willing to bet there is an Apple guy out there that would be willing to tell you that the Apple tablet is the best and has the best quality hardware in it.

There is no Apple tablet, so not sure how anyone could tell you it's the greatest of anything. Everyone has their own opinion on what "best" is, so saying Fujitsu is the best may not mean anything to someone else with different tastes, likes and dislikes. They're all just computers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I have noticed you have a SEVERE hate for all things apple. did Job's piss in your cheerios one day? You are reminding me of the Apple people i can't stand, "pcs are pure trash" "pc's are good for nothing". If you can't realize that both Mac's and Windows ran computers are both good machines if utilized properly then that sucks. And saying one is just good for one thing and the other does another thing better is full fledged r-tard snydrom.

I openly admit I'm a Steve Jobs hater. I don't hate Apple or their products. I actually like the iTouch quite a bit. (except for it's WPA2-PSK issues) I hate Steve Jobs and his wannabe Bill Gates / Microsoft ***. My family owns two iPods and an iTouch. I use my Blackberry as thus far I have refused to own an Apple product because of Jobs, but I never prevent someone else from using it if that is what they want. (I even told CowboyWay that he should buy his MacBook Pro)

Steve Jobs like Bill Gates feels like he should dictate what a customer wants and that it isn't their right to decide on how they want it.

What I did say about Apple products is that they are not used for advanced computing jobs normally as vta claims. I didn't say they weren't capable. (It's the same freaking hardware!) Obviously, if someone wrote the software for them, they would be. The problem is, it doesn't exist. There are basic accounting software packages out there for bookkeeping purposes and the like. It's the high end stuff that doesn't exist. Only for creative works does high end software for the Mac exist.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think Apple designs some of the best hardware around, I don't think many people even put stock in chassis design until Apple made it an emphasis and they still do it better than the vast majority.

You can't really go wrong with aluminum and glass.



Read my elaboration, I'm talking about the design of the hardware not the internals.



No, I'm not. I'm perfectly capable of coming to my own decisions regarding what I do and do not like.



There is no Apple tablet, so not sure how anyone could tell you it's the greatest of anything. Everyone has their own opinion on what "best" is, so saying Fujitsu is the best may not mean anything to someone else with different tastes, likes and dislikes. They're all just computers.

Apple doesn't design the hardware, only the cases.

Apple Tablet Funny how it looks (and acts from what it sounds like) like a giant iPhone. :laugh2:

 

[TheCount]

Apple doesn't design the hardware, only the cases.

Apple Tablet

The iPhone is a tablet now? Interesting. As I said, there is no Apple Tablet for anyone to claim is better than any other tablet, I don't deal in hypothetical product releases. When it's released and I can use it, I will judge for myself. You've already made up your mind about it without it even being real, so I'd say you're the one taking advice from zealots.

I've already explained what I mean when I say hardware design.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The iPhone is a tablet now? Interesting. As I said, there is no Apple Tablet for anyone to claim is better than any other tablet, I don't deal in hypothetical product releases. When it's released and I can use it, I will judge for myself. You've already made up your mind about it without it even being real, so I'd say you're the one taking advice from zealots.

I've already explained what I mean when I say hardware design.

I win.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Apple doesn't design the hardware, only the cases.

Apple Tablet Funny how it looks (and acts from what it sounds like) like a giant iPhone. :laugh2:

A dancing baby look like an apple tablet?

 

[vta]

With a PC I like the idea that if I want a larger HD I can just go and buy another one, make it a secondary HD or ghost my original to it and be done with it instead of having a limited option of what HD I can get, where I can get it and if I have to take it somewhere to have someone else do it for me. Same with an upgraded Sound/video card and other hardware.

This is interesting and goes back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread, about people not really knowing what they can do with a Mac. Upgrading a Mac in any fashion is in no way harder than on a Windows box. It doesn't matter if it's upgrading for HD space, RAM, video, etc, there are no limitations with a Mac desktop.

I have 3 internals that I slid in myself and none are the OEM. Brand is not an issue and all are easily formatted.

The only issue with video cards is that for some underhanded reason, the same card costs more for a Mac than for a Windows box. The only thing the average user should not tinker with is the processor and motherboard.

The line between which can do what has been seriously blurred. All that's left is preference and the knowledge of what they both can do.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is interesting and goes back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread, about people not really knowing what they can do with a Mac. Upgrading a Mac in any fashion is in no way harder than on a Windows box. It doesn't matter if it's upgrading for HD space, RAM, video, etc, there are no limitations with a Mac desktop.

I have 3 internals that I slid in myself and none are the OEM. Brand is not an issue and all are easily formatted.

The only issue with video cards is that for some underhanded reason, the same card costs more for a Mac than for a Windows box. The only thing the average user should not tinker with is the processor and motherboard.

The line between which can do what has been seriously blurred. All that's left is preference and the knowledge of what they both can do.

At one time you pretty much had to get what Apple offered and the offering was limited. Now I know they have made strides in that area but I can only speak from EXP with other users on that and that was some time back.

I have no ill will towards apple myself. I just don't have as much problem with PCs as others seem to and If I do it is because I did something wrong or it was just time for an upgrade anyways.

Heck I still have the same Keyboard I got when I got my first 133mhz computer. Of course I think some computers and parts companies are just not putting the same quality into things as they used to do but that is mainly in their cheaper areas to help reduce the price for the average computer user and to sell more like with those that have been contracted to sell in Wally world over the years.

If you buy a puter at wally world then chances are you are not going to have a good computer that is going to last you a long time.

I mostly buy my own parts and put them together now and those seem to do better.

I had a motherboard get fried once but other than that and the occasional fan issue...hardware and computer wise I only get a newer one win the chip/cpus have went up a great deal...from say like 133mhz to 600mhz or up past a gig and so on.

Software wise....if I have a problem that I deem to long or aggravating to mess with, I just reformat my hard drive and I reformat at least once a year whether I am having problems or not.

So again...No problem with macs...I just think PCs are better for what I want.

 

[Hoofbite]

The Inspirion line at Dell is their worst and cheapest line of laptops. I wouldn't recommend them to a Commanders fan.

Yeah, when you're buying one they usually don't tell you that you are about to buy a hunk of ****.

And that thing wasn't too cheap. Quality-wise, I don't think there is much lower.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Yeah, when you're buying one they usually don't tell you that you are about to buy a hunk of ****.

And that thing wasn't too cheap. Quality-wise, I don't think there is much lower.

They do in fact tell you. When you say., "How much is this laptop" and they respond with $499-$999. Well, they are basically saying, "You're getting a piece of **** with a monitor for $499-$999".

Quality isn't free. It cost more to make. ...it just doesn't cost as much as Apple charges.

 

[CowboyWay]

They do in fact tell you. When you say., "How much is this laptop" and they respond with $499-$999. Well, they are basically saying, "You're getting a piece of **** with a monitor for $499-$999".

Quality isn't free. It cost more to make. ...it just doesn't cost as much as Apple charges.

True, but nobody expects to even buy a computer for 500 bucks only to have it break a year later. Nobody would buy it if was advertised to last only a year.

I guess in the end, I'd just like to find one person, just one, who has bought a mac, and a few years later come out and say "you know, it just wasn't worth it, I'm going back to a PC". But you know what? I don't think you'll find any.

Yet you could find a ton of people to say that about a PC. And for that reason only, I think I know what my next computer will be.

 

[YosemiteSam]

True, but nobody expects to even buy a computer for 500 bucks only to have it break a year later. Nobody would buy it if was advertised to last only a year.

I guess in the end, I'd just like to find one person, just one, who has bought a mac, and a few years later come out and say "you know, it just wasn't worth it, I'm going back to a PC". But you know what? I don't think you'll find any.

Yet you could find a ton of people to say that about a PC. And for that reason only, I think I know what my next computer will be.

No PC / laptop should last less then a year. They have warranties that protect them at least that long.

I know people who have bought Macs and returned them because they could do what they needed them to do. Of course, I know people who have returned computers with 64bit Vista on them for the same reason.