Who would you extend this year before they breakout?

[KJJ]

Lacy had one touch in the game before he sat. You gonna call him more durable based on one play?

Lacy may be able to carry 20+ times a game but you get similar yardage from Murray with fewer carries. Yes, Lacy is that old timely type back who people love. They just forget those sort of players tend to have short careers

I'm basing Lacy's durability off the fact he played and played well on an injured ankle for part of the season and only missed one game. He entered the game vs the Cowboys with a bad ankle and ran all over them. How many times have you seen Murray play well battling an injury? Everytime he gets hurt he's not effective and he ends up on the sidelines. Murray can give you some big plays but he's not the punishing runner Lacy is. Murray has too many negative carries because he tries to get cute. His cut backs and reversing of field have turned into some big plays but it's also led to a large number of negative carries. He went practically nowhere despite 17 carries vs Philly in the season finale.

Lacy beats a defense up with 4-5 yards a pop which is better suited for the Cowboys but he can also give you the big play which we saw against the Cowboys with his 60 yard run. He doesn't put your offense in a hole with a negative carry. There's times when the Cowboys need to milk the clock in the 4th quarter to protect a lead and Lacy can do that. Julius Jones gave the Cowboys the big play several years ago but it was Barbers punishing running style that wore down defenses in the 4th quarter enabling the Cowboys to close out games with their offense on the field. Lacy keeps coming and coming and doesn't tire out. He looked as fresh in the 4th quarter vs the Cowboys as he did in the first quarter. His ability to grind out yards kept Flynn from having to win the game in the end.

 

[visionary]

Matt Johnson

He said "break out" not "break down"

 

[visionary]

+1

+2

 

[guag]

Isn't Tyron Smith signed with us through the end of 2015 (assuming we pick up the 5th year option on his rookie contract -- or did we do that already?)?

In that case, I feel like we could worry about Dez this year and wait until next year to address Tyron's contract.

 

[KJJ]

Isn't Tyron Smith signed with us through the end of 2015 (assuming we pick up the 5th year option on his rookie contract -- or did we do that already?)?

In that case, I feel like we could worry about Dez this year and wait until next year to address Tyron's contract.

The Cowboys did pick up the 5th year option on Tyron.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm basing Lacy's durability off the fact he played and played well on an injured ankle for part of the season and only missed one game. He entered the game vs the Cowboys with a bad ankle and ran all over them. How many times have you seen Murray play well battling an injury? Everytime he gets hurt he's not effective and he ends up on the sidelines. Murray can give you some big plays but he's not the punishing runner Lacy is. Murray has too many negative carries because he tries to get cute. His cut backs and reversing of field have turned into some big plays but it's also led to a large number of negative carries. He went practically nowhere despite 17 carries vs Philly in the season finale.

Lacy beats a defense up with 4-5 yards a pop which is better suited for the Cowboys but he can also give you the big play which we saw against the Cowboys with his 60 yard run. He doesn't put your offense in a hole with a negative carry. There's times when the Cowboys need to milk the clock in the 4th quarter to protect a lead and Lacy can do that. Julius Jones gave the Cowboys the big play several years ago but it was Barbers punishing running style that wore down defenses in the 4th quarter enabling the Cowboys to close out games with their offense on the field. Lacy keeps coming and coming and doesn't tire out. He looked as fresh in the 4th quarter vs the Cowboys as he did in the first quarter. His ability to grind out yards kept Flynn from having to win the game in the end.

Missed two games. You can't ignore the game he left after one carry. And if you look at those games Flynn won, Flynn was outstanding in both

 

[KJJ]

Missed two games. You can't ignore the game he left after one carry. And if you look at those games Flynn won, Flynn was outstanding in both

He left after one play vs Washington and missed the Cinn game the following week but the fact is he played well while battling an injury for part of the season which is something we haven't seen from Murray. Flynn was far from outstanding vs Washington as a matter of fact his performance wasn't very good. He had a TD, a pick with 3 fumbles losing 2 of them. He finished with a passer rating of 83.7. He was outstanding vs the Cowboys but was supported by 141 rushing yards by Lacy.

The game was put on Lacy's shoulders with just over 3 minutes to play. He carried the load on the Packers game winning drive and scored the winning TD. By the Packers being able to run the ball on that drive it kept Flynn from possibly making a critical mistake that could have cost Green Bay the game.

 

[Redball Express]

Who do you think is primed for a breakout year this year who we could extend for a bargain price right now?

D. Murray is one of those guys. We could probably extend him now for a reduced cost now due to his injury history and his limited productivity over his career so far. With this line, it is possible he will have much better stats and success this year. He will have cleaner hoes to run through which could really improve his likelihood of getting through the year injury free. We could pay him an average starting RB salary, and end up with a guy with elite stats. I would make that attempt now.

Some will argue that the longer we wait the more it will cost us to extend Dez. That is also a possibility.

Some of the other mid-tier guys might fall into that class as well. What are your thoughts?

Other than Dez and maybe Tyrone..

and maybe Demarco Murray..

Nobody..

Yet.

Let's wait and see if they bare real football fruit before we make them forever Millionaires.

 

[AbeBeta]

He left after one play vs Washington and missed the Cinn game the following week but the fact is he played well while battling an injury for part of the season which is something we haven't seen from Murray. Flynn was far from outstanding vs Washington as a matter of fact his performance wasn't very good. He had a TD, a pick with 3 fumbles losing 2 of them. He finished with a passer rating of 83.7. He was outstanding vs the Cowboys but was supported by 141 rushing yards by Lacy.

The game was put on Lacy's shoulders with just over 3 minutes to play. He carried the load on the Packers game winning drive and scored the winning TD. By the Packers being able to run the ball on that drive it kept Flynn from possibly making a critical mistake that could have cost Green Bay the game.

Murray battled injuries last year. Do you even follow this team? Or do you just care about your fantasy team and the guys you want to say you liked to look smart?

 

[KJJ]

Murray battled injuries last year. Do you even follow this team? Or do you just care about your fantasy team and the guys you want to say you liked to look smart?

Do you even follow this team? Murray is one of the Cowboys china dolls who's missed 11 games in his 3 seasons. He battled injuries last season in street clothes on the sidelines that's where he battles all his injuries. He has to be just right or he's not effective. If he misses 2 or more games in 2014 he won't be back with the team unless he comes at a bargain. No team is going to sign an injury prone RB to a lucrative deal so Murray my have no choice but to take what the Cowboys offer if he continues to miss games.

 

[AbeBeta]

Do you even follow this team? Murray is one of the Cowboys china dolls who's missed 11 games in his 3 seasons. He battled injuries last season in street clothes on the sidelines that's where he battles all his injuries. He has to be just right or he's not effective. If he misses 2 or more games in 2014 he won't be back with the team unless he comes at a bargain. No team is going to sign an injury prone RB to a lucrative deal so Murray my have no choice but to take what the Cowboys offer if he continues to miss games.

Yet he still managed close to Lacy's total yards while averaging over a yard per carry better last year.

Do you want 1100 yards in 70 fewer carries or do you want a guy who is going to take those 70 carries and average about 0.3 yards with them. You can talk all you want about "wearing teams down" but you give those 70 carries to a fresh back and he's easily going to combine with Murray to obliterate Lacy's low YPC performance.

You are getting caught up in the old time notion of smashmouth - regrettably, the league moved on about 30 years ago.

 

[kevm3]

get that Dez contract knocked out and maybe Beasley and Harris at some reasonable deal.

 

[KJJ]

Yet he still managed close to Lacy's total yards while averaging over a yard per carry better last year.

Do you want 1100 yards in 70 fewer carries or do you want a guy who is going to take those 70 carries and average about 0.3 yards with them. You can talk all you want about "wearing teams down" but you give those 70 carries to a fresh back and he's easily going to combine with Murray to obliterate Lacy's low YPC performance.

You are getting caught up in the old time notion of smashmouth - regrettably, the league moved on about 30 years ago.

It's pointless continuing to argue this we're not going to change our views. You never answered my question if the Cowboys had a do over and you were in control would you stay with Escobar over Lacy? It's not that I don't think Murray is a good back but Lacy would have complimented him well and Murray sharing the load may have helped keep him healthy. Lacy would have helped the Cowboys a lot more than a TE who's never going to produce much playing along with Jason Witten.

Lacy was the top rated back in the 2013 draft and would have been an excellent value in the 2nd round and the Cowboys could have traded down 13 spots to get him. Had the Cowboys picked him they wouldn't have had to waste a 5th rounder on Joseph Randle later in that draft a back who probably won't amount to much if anything.

 

[KJJ]

You are getting caught up in the old time notion of smashmouth - regrettably, the league moved on about 30 years ago.

I'm not getting caught up with anything from 30 years ago you're just having trouble comprehending what I'm saying.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's pointless continuing to argue this we're not going to change our views. You never answered my question if the Cowboys had a do over and you were in control would you stay with Escobar over Lacy? It's not that I don't think Murray is a good back but Lacy would have complimented him well and Murray sharing the load may have helped keep him healthy. Lacy would have helped the Cowboys a lot more than a TE who's never going to produce much playing along with Jason Witten.

Lacy was the top rated back in the 2013 draft and would have been an excellent value in the 2nd round and the Cowboys could have traded down 13 spots to get him. Had the Cowboys picked him they wouldn't have had to waste a 5th rounder on Joseph Randle later in that draft a back who probably won't amount to much if anything.

You are amazingly talking about how we "wasted" a 5th on Randle. The Packers took Lacy AND also Jonathon Franklin - 26 spots ahead of the Cowboys.

Yet the Packers are geniuses in your book. They "wasted" a pick a full round higher on a RB.

Good God man, just do a tiny bit of research before you spout off. It will keep you from getting outclassed so easily.

 

[KJJ]

You are amazingly talking about how we "wasted" a 5th on Randle. The Packers took Lacy AND also Jonathon Franklin - 26 spots ahead of the Cowboys.

Yet the Packers are geniuses in your book. They "wasted" a pick a full round higher on a RB.

Good God man, just do a tiny bit of research before you spout off. It will keep you from getting outclassed so easily.

You're the one who needs to do some research after claiming Flynn looked outstanding vs Washington. You obviously didn't check out his stats before you spouted off. Jonathon Franklin showed more potential than Randle last season but of course you didn't research that either. LOL Franklin averaged 5.6 a carry with the limited opportunities he had and he scored a TD. Randle had 2 starts in place of an injured Murray and only averaged 3.0 a carry. In 54 carries Randle's longest run was only 19 yards while Franklin busted one for 51 yards vs Cinn while rushing for 103 yards in only 13 carries.

The Packers needed a running game and took a chance on 2 backs and got a solid hit with Lacy and may have found something in Franklin. The biggest wasted pick of the two teams was the Cowboys selection of Escobar with the 47th overall pick but it appears they like repeating the same mistake every few years with TE's who are never going to get much of an opportunity playing with Jason Witten. All the Cowboys are doing are developing these 2nd round TE's for other teams to get solid production out of once their contacts are up in Dallas.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm not talking about over paying him. I'm talking about resigning a RB who had 1400 + all purpose yards and the best YPC in the NFL, despite missing too games. How much are you going to pay for that production in FA?

And I just LOL at people who think its a forgone conclusion that you can just go out a grab an RB in the 4th or 5th round and have them match his production.

You can laugh all you want. I don't mind, nor does anyone else I'm sure. I'm sure there are plenty who LOL at people who don't realize that in today's NFL the vast majority of teams go with multiple running backs and with good reason. There are few workhorse backs in the league anymore and quite frankly I don't see Murray as one of the work horse backs based off his inability to stay healthy.

I wouldn't go out and pay for that production from FA either. If he's going to resign for a very reasonable deal then cool. If he wants big time money then sorry but I'm not giving big money contracts to running backs unless they're the elite level of a McCoy or AP and I'm not giving them to a running back, ever, who has never been able to play a full season.

And it's not just a pro thing with Murray either. He missed games all through out college as well because he can't stay healthy. That isn't his fault that's just how it goes for some players.

 

[AbeBeta]

You're the one who needs to do some research after claiming Flynn looked outstanding vs Washington. You obviously didn't check out his stats before you spouted off. Jonathon Franklin showed more potential than Randle last season but of course you didn't research that either. LOL Franklin averaged 5.6 a carry with the limited opportunities he had and he scored a TD. Randle had 2 starts in place of an injured Murray and only averaged 3.0 a carry. In 54 carries Randle's longest run was only 19 yards while Franklin busted one for 51 yards vs Cinn while rushing for 103 yards in only 13 carries.

The Packers needed a running game and took a chance on 2 backs and got a solid hit with Lacy and may have found something in Franklin. The biggest wasted pick of the two teams was the Cowboys selection of Escobar with the 47th overall pick but it appears they like repeating the same mistake every few years with TE's who are never going to get much of an opportunity playing with Jason Witten. All the Cowboys are doing are developing these 2nd round TE's for other teams to get solid production out of once their contacts are up in Dallas.

You keep bringing up Washington. That's pretty funny. Flynn was an Oakland Raider the week Green Bay played Washington. You are looking at his performance AS A RAIDER against Washington.

I said the games the Packers won with Flynn at the helm were ones in which Flynn was outstanding. I'm only counting the games he, you know, actually played for GB.

 

[Denim Chicken]

You can laugh all you want. I don't mind, nor does anyone else I'm sure. I'm sure there are plenty who LOL at people who don't realize that in today's NFL the vast majority of teams go with multiple running backs and with good reason. There are few workhorse backs in the league anymore and quite frankly I don't see Murray as one of the work horse backs based off his inability to stay healthy.

I wouldn't go out and pay for that production from FA either. If he's going to resign for a very reasonable deal then cool. If he wants big time money then sorry but I'm not giving big money contracts to running backs unless they're the elite level of a McCoy or AP and I'm not giving them to a running back, ever, who has never been able to play a full season.

And it's not just a pro thing with Murray either. He missed games all through out college as well because he can't stay healthy. That isn't his fault that's just how it goes for some players.

I get the injury thing--that's why I would want his contract to be based on playing time. But, injury issues notwithstanding, I think Murray is a top 10 back and if we could do something like 3 years 21mil with 10 guaranteed and some based on playtime then we would have more time to try and hit on a late round back to eventually replace him.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I get the injury thing--that's why I would want his contract to be based on playing time. But, injury issues notwithstanding, I think Murray is a top 10 back and if we could do something like 3 years 21mil with 10 guaranteed and some based on playtime then we would have more time to try and hit on a late round back to eventually replace him.

Yeah if we can get him for some kind of really easy to deal with contract, with playing time stuff in them, then I don't mind giving him more time.

But chances are if he does well again this year and hits FA he's going to want huge money which I don't want to give to a RB.