Who's Laughing at Travis Frederick Now?

[Zordon]

what happened to floyd?

 

[BBQ101]

you are trying to make the exception the rule... Tom Brady is the Exception...

Please, like Tom Brady is the only player to ever be drafted at a spot that in hindsight was WAY lower than it should have been. guffaw. Seems like we got our own QB that is another exception to the rule

BBQ

 

[AsthmaField]

Among the queer results produced by such logic are that Ryan Leaf and Tony Mandarich were good value at #2 overall (the Chargers and Packers paid no more than what other teams would have paid for those guys) and that Tom Brady was not, after all, underdrafted (as Tyke brazenly asserts). Such results are so bizarre that they should alert you to the fact that there's something off with your logic.

Very well said. It is a common sense approach and unfortunately, common sense isn't employed often when dissecting the NFL draft.

It really is as simple as that: If you're approach says that Mandarich and Leaf were good picks and Brady was not... then there is something wrong with the way you're looking at it.

Way to distill it to a very succinct point.

 

[AsthmaField]

what happened to floyd?

Last I saw of him he was getting embarrassed by Green Bay on Thursday Night Football. He took some horrible angles and let Eddie Lacy run right by him.

 

[jazzcat22]

Has anyone asked Tony Romo and DeMarco Murray if that "extra" 10K was worth the "overpaying" or not....just wondering...

 

[AsthmaField]

Has anyone asked Tony Romo and DeMarco Murray if that "extra" 10K was worth the "overpaying" or not....just wondering...

lol...

 

[LeonDixson]

I will still and will always say it was a serious reach...

If you buy a car worth 15k dollars for 25k dollars and it runs great and runs for 10 years... you still paid 10k to much for it.

Think of it as paying 10k to much for a car (Frederick) but the dealer throwing in a brand new Harley Davidson (Williams) to go with it if that will make you feel any better. Overall, we got a bargain.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I can safely say that I was all for the pick because I defended it vigorously right here.

Even before Costa and the injuries they had in 2012 at center, the position was an issue and I had wanted to draft a 1st round center for a while. Gurode was good for having about 3 awful games a year and couldn't make line calls. If you ever watched Gurode on film he would do some things that would just flat out bewilder you and make you wonder what in the world he was thinking. I think everybody jumped on Frederick's 40 time making him the only center in history where his 40 time suddenly became the key factor whether or not he could play center. I wish I was making that up.





YR

 

[Reverend Conehead]

You clearly lack the intelligence to understand something as simple as Market Value.

If a Product (in this case Freddy) is deemed by the Market (the NFL) to have a certain Price (a draft grade) and you give up more than that that "market price" than you OVER PAID. (Reached)

Its not me and "internet dork scouts" it was the conscientious. Here's CBS sports ranking.
PROJECTED RANKING
OVERALLPOSITIONPROJ. RND.
5312

And these are similar and multiple. Just us "internet dorks"

RIGHT!


Now compound that with the fact that we are thin on D and could have drafted a Defensive player in the first round and still gotten Fred in the second instead of a worthless (to this point) TE then the Product would meet or exceed the "market value" .

No, that's not how the market works. The way it works is very simple: The value of something is determined by the buyer and the seller in every transaction. Jerry and Co determined that it was worth using his first to get Frederick plus a third. Frederick and what Jones used the extra third on have both lived up to expectations. In other words, he got a good deal. It doesn't matter that other teams valued Frederick lower. They weren't part of the transaction.

In short, Jerry and the team got a great deal. If he hadn't done this, some other team may have scooped up Frederick and maybe Costa is still our center. Or someone else is who's not as good as Frederick, and our running game isn't kicking butt, we're not getting one-on-one coverage that we burn other teams on. We're still pass happy into good pass coverage and are seeing more picks, etc. I'll take what the team did any day over, "Well, you may or may not have still gotten him in the 2nd."

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Stubborn mule

See I had a different mule in mind.

 

[speedkilz88]

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece

Stephen Jones already admitted they were set on getting Floyd and essentially confused when Jerry went Frederik. The HC has said defense was the problem and the last two years, they were targetting defense in particular. Floyd was suppose to be drafted in 2013 and Dallas had 3 guys as BPAs ahead of Zach that they were set on getting per Jerry. Their draft philosophy has been BPA and they've stated it multiple times. Building the team from OL wasn't their intention nor was it part of the 'process'.

Stephen isn't saying they were set on Floyd but that there was a disconnect between the coaches and the scouts when it came to the value of (Floyd) and the 1 technique.

 

[Direwolf63]

That's what we don't know. But Frederick wasn't on too many pundits' radar. Not that that means much because the public "experts" sometimes have a player ranked differently than the secret scouting information teams have. I'll admit, I make an assumption that Frederick wasn't ranked high, but I don't know. Something caused Dallas to pick him in the first. And it's very likely if Dallas had him on their radar, and few if any of us knew this, then some other teams may have had him on their radar too.

But it's all good. The pick turned out to be a great one.

I'm pretty sure the Cowboys are on record as saying they had Frederick as a high second rounder, but they didn't want to risk losing him.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You clearly lack the intelligence to understand something as simple as Market Value.

If a Product (in this case Freddy) is deemed by the Market (the NFL) to have a certain Price (a draft grade) and you give up more than that that "market price" than you OVER PAID. (Reached)

Its not me and "internet dork scouts" it was the conscientious. Here's CBS sports ranking.
PROJECTED RANKING
OVERALLPOSITIONPROJ. RND.
5312

And these are similar and multiple. Just us "internet dorks"

RIGHT!


Now compound that with the fact that we are thin on D and could have drafted a Defensive player in the first round and still gotten Fred in the second instead of a worthless (to this point) TE then the Product would meet or exceed the "market value" .

How bout you compound the fact that he might not be there in the 2nd round if it were time to select? Your basing your theory over nothing more than speculation and nothing more.

Cowboys at that time needed help on the oline just as much we needed help on the dline. You select first based on priority and who can make the most impact immediately. Frederick was that player and no one on defense came close.

Secondly, market value just means what the market is willing to pay for a certain period of time. Market price goes up and down everytime. 10 years ago Apple stocks was $10 a share. Look at the price on where its now. Do you think its still worth ONLY $10 dollars?

I would agree with you about picking a defensive player. They messed up on selection the TE Escobench. But Dallas did not screw up on the selection of Frederick. In fact, I consider it a homerun. Guess what the market value of Frederick right now?

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm pretty sure the Cowboys are on record as saying they had Frederick as a high second rounder, but they didn't want to risk losing him.

I think this sounds right. As the next best C was along way off, like round 4 or 5. By the time they would have picked again, they felt he would have been gone.

 

[sureletsrace]

I will still and will always say it was a serious reach...

If you buy a car worth 15k dollars for 25k dollars and it runs great and runs for 10 years... you still paid 10k to much for it.

Just because YOU think it's worth $15,000 doesn't mean it's worth $15,000.

 

[cmoney23]

Please, like Tom Brady is the only player to ever be drafted at a spot that in hindsight was WAY lower than it should have been. guffaw. Seems like we got our own QB that is another exception to the rule

BBQ

Ok, lets look at three prime examples... '
Tom Brady
Tony Romo
and Russel Wilson.

that is three players out over over 750. I would call the the exception.

 

[Direwolf63]

In Frederick we got a starter from Day 1, a guy who's top 10 at his position, if not top 5. He makes all the line calls, and may be a Pro Bowler this year and may have several more to come. You have a guy who's become a team leader and not a sniff of off-field issues.

I'd say that's pretty good value for where he was picked.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Actually, what he said makes sense. If a car costs $10,000, you don't pay $25,000 for it even though you know it may appreciate in value to $150,000.

But the caveat is that none of us knows whether Frederick was going to be there. So it's silly calling people out because it's possible had we waited, we could have missed him. It's possible we could have gotten him even in the second round.

Nobody knows.

Actually in the world of investing you would. I would pay a little higher knowing something will return 10X or more on their investment. Heck, venture capitalist do it all the time. Just ask the folks that started Instagram.

 

[jazzcat22]

In Frederick we got a starter from Day 1, a guy who's top 10 at his position, if not top 5. He makes all the line calls, and may be a Pro Bowler this year and may have several more to come. You have a guy who's become a team leader and not a sniff of off-field issues.

I'd say that's pretty good value for where he was picked.

Yes, pretty good value. Back to the OP, where it says Frederick is the #1 C in the NFL. Not bad, not bad at all.....

 

[cmoney23]

Think of it as paying 10k to much for a car (Frederick) but the dealer throwing in a brand new Harley Davidson (Williams) to go with it if that will make you feel any better. Overall, we got a bargain.

sorry, but this is a stupid argument and is why i haven't included Williams in the discussion up to this point. We moved back well before the decision was made to get Freddy. And OBVIOUSLY you can't move back and expect a player to be there still. You never know! Right? LOL

What I say is this.

For the sake of argument, lets just assume NO ONE was drafting Fred before out second round pick.
So, we trade back and draft... uh lets say...
Manti Teo at 31.
and then draft Freddy at 47.
and then the draft rolls out as before... so I get a LB (that we need) plus Williams and Freddy and you get a TE that barely sees the field.

I win.