Who's Laughing at Travis Frederick Now?

[Brooksey]

Actually, what he said makes sense. If a car costs $10,000, you don't pay $25,000 for it even though you know it may appreciate in value to $150,000.

But the caveat is that none of us knows whether Frederick was going to be there. So it's silly calling people out because it's possible had we waited, we could have missed him. It's possible we could have gotten him even in the second round.

Nobody knows.

Actually it doesn't make sense.

If you buy a car for 25k, that "some thought" was worth 15k and it appreciates to 100k , you're the best car buyer in town.

 

[Verdict]

I will still and will always say it was a serious reach...

If you buy a car worth 15k dollars for 25k dollars and it runs great and runs for 10 years... you still paid 10k to much for it.

That is true, but in all fairness, we don't really know if we could have gotten him any farther down. If he was worth the pick, then we got it right, The rest of it is irrelevant.

 

[casmith07]

Actually it doesn't make sense.

If you buy a car for 25k, that "some thought" was worth 15k and it appreciates to 100k , you're the best car buyer in town.

Bingo. It's like buying an antique or classic that everyone thinks is junk, only to find out it was the original car owned by Elvis Presley and is worth hundreds of thousands.

That's the Frederick pick. Huge steal.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Travis might be the one laughing now. IIRC he admitted in an interview after being drafted that it was a bit of a surprise being drafted in the first round.

At the end of the day it matters not if some think he was a reach or is a steal.

He is a good player for us now no matter he was viewed at that time.

 

[landroverking]

If he stays health he will be there for ten years plus. T-Fred is the real deal.

 

[AsthmaField]

Their board was leaked. They had Frederick as a high 2nd round pick but they only had 18 players with 1st round grades. Frederick was 22nd on their board and they drafted him at 31. They had S Eric Reid 24th on their board.

Good post, and you are correct. They had him as a second rounder and they drafted him where they should have.

 

[AsthmaField]

Bingo. It's like buying an antique or classic that everyone thinks is junk, only to find out it was the original car owned by Elvis Presley and is worth hundreds of thousands.

That's the Frederick pick. Huge steal.

Actually, Frederick might be Elvis.

 

[stilltheguru]

I never laughed at him,but I laughed at the armchair scouts who claimed he was a third round talent/reach. we went trenches so I dint understand how most people weren't just happy for that fact alone. I was willing to give him 2 years to develop but he was a man from jump. Shariff Floyd who

 

[AsthmaField]

I never laughed at him,but I laughed at the armchair scouts who claimed he was a third round talent/reach. we went trenches so I dint understand how most people weren't just happy for that fact alone. I was willing to give him 2 years to develop but he was a man from jump. Shariff Floyd who

Truly, he was very good from the word go. So was Martin... even moreso actually.

When people mention that Dallas spent 3 number 1 picks on their OL in order to have the best OL in football, nobody even mentions that it isn't that they spent 3 number 1's... it is that they HIT on 3 number 1's... not an easy thing to do.

They are all 3 great players, not to mention that Dallas hit on an UDFA who is playing as well as anyone on the line.

I didn't think a rookie OL could come in and play any better than Frederick did until I saw Martin this year. He is already one of the better guards in football, IMO and he is going to get much better.

Three home runs. That will be difficult for any franchise to copy.

 

[stilltheguru]

Truly, he was very good from the word go. So was Martin... even moreso actually.

When people mention that Dallas spent 3 number 1 picks on their OL in order to have the best OL in football, nobody even mentions that it isn't that they spent 3 number 1's... it is that they HIT on 3 number 1's... not an easy thing to do.

They are all 3 great players, not to mention that Dallas hit on an UDFA who is playing as well as anyone on the line.

I didn't think a rookie OL could come in and play any better than Frederick did until I saw Martin this year. He is already one of the better guards in football, IMO and he is going to get much better.

Three home runs. That will be difficult for any franchise to copy.

true because I don't hear much about Decastro or those other guys from last year's class.

 

[tyke1doe]

Actually in the world of investing you would. I would pay a little higher knowing something will return 10X or more on their investment. Heck, venture capitalist do it all the time. Just ask the folks that started Instagram.

You're missing my point. No sensible person would spend $15,000 on something that cost $10,000. And, no, venture capitalists do not do that all the time. What VC do is buy in bulk shares that are priced at $10,000 each. They don't say, "Hey, I know this share in X company costs $10,000. But I'm going to give you $15,000 for it and take 20."

What they do is buy shares at $10,000 and then use the money they have to buy more. If you're giving $15,000 for a share when it cost $10,000, you end up not owning as many shares as you could.

 

[BAT]

I will still and will always say it was a serious reach...

If you buy a car worth 15k dollars for 25k dollars and it runs great and runs for 10 years... you still paid 10k to much for it.

LOL. And you would be wrong everytime.

If you bought a car for $25K when blue book value at time WRONGFULLY valued it at $15K, but the car ended being worth $100K is a better analogy. Frederick is a stud, and he was a stud coming out of Wisconsin too. It was the combines that devalued him, incorrectly I might add.

 

[tyke1doe]

Actually it doesn't make sense.

If you buy a car for 25k, that "some thought" was worth 15k and it appreciates to 100k , you're the best car buyer in town.

You're missing the point merely to win an argument. Let me explain.

The appreciation value of the car stands independent of what you paid for it. Whether at 25k or 15k the appreciation is what it is.

So you can either pay 15k or pay 25k. But if you pay 25k on a car that's worth 15k, you've just cost yourself 10k.

Therefore, you OVERPAID for the value of the car, regardless of its appreciation value. It may not appreciate. But you still paid more than what the car was worth.

And truth be told, if you pay 15k for a car that will appreciate in value to $100,000, your net gain is $85,000 compared to $75,000 if you paid 25k for a car that cost 15k.

So tell me, which one would you rather have and which sounds more sensible? A net profit of $85,000 or a net profit of $75,000?

 

[tyke1doe]

Truth be told, the argument people are making about paying beyond the value of a product is nonsense.

How many of you when you buy something examine the price and then decide to pay ABOVE what it costs whether clothing, cars, homes, etc.

Yes, I know the car costs $50,000, but I think it's worth more so I'm going to pay you $60,000. I'd like to know the person who conducts business like that because I want to be your friend.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think dallas is benefiting from the oline culture. You have one of the best oline coaches in the NFL, and you have all those great players playing next to each other, allowing each player to rise to a higher level.

 

[AsthmaField]

I think dallas is benefiting from the oline culture. You have one of the best oline coaches in the NFL, and you have all those great players playing next to each other, allowing each player to rise to a higher level.

That certainly could be the case.

 

[speedkilz88]

Truth be told, the argument people are making about paying beyond the value of a product is nonsense.

How many of you when you buy something examine the price and then decide to pay ABOVE what it costs whether clothing, cars, homes, etc.

Yes, I know the car costs $50,000, but I think it's worth more so I'm going to pay you $60,000. I'd like to know the person who conducts business like that because I want to be your friend.

You are the one talking nonsense because you keep pretending that there was a set value on Frederick.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Truth be told, the argument people are making about paying beyond the value of a product is nonsense.

Not sure whose argument it is that you're straw-manning here. What I find interesting is that you use the term "value" when you clearly intend market price. In fact, in what follows you seamlessly switch terminology, speaking of "price" or "cost". You're clearly conflating cost and value.

How many of you when you buy something examine the price and then decide to pay ABOVE what it costs whether clothing, cars, homes, etc.

Yes, I know the car costs $50,000, but I think it's worth more so I'm going to pay you $60,000. I'd like to know the person who conducts business like that because I want to be your friend.

I think what you've identified is one of the problems with the car analogy. It falls apart quite early, of course, given that there is no "blue book" one can quote as the authoritative source on the value of a given draft prospect. Instead, teams make draft decisions in conditions of imperfect knowledge of how other teams value their preferred targets. They know what the draftniks think, of course. But since they themselves don't feel any particular compulsion to follow the draftniks' recommendations (they wouldn't be considering a "reach" if they did) they have no reason to believe that other teams are being guided by the draftniks' views.

In such circumstances, the best course is to not worry about how others value your targets (you just can't know) and trust your own evaluation.

 

[burmafrd]

I will still and will always say it was a serious reach...

If you buy a car worth 15k dollars for 25k dollars and it runs great and runs for 10 years... you still paid 10k to much for it.

you are unintentionally hilarious

 

[burmafrd]

Truly, he was very good from the word go. So was Martin... even moreso actually.

When people mention that Dallas spent 3 number 1 picks on their OL in order to have the best OL in football, nobody even mentions that it isn't that they spent 3 number 1's... it is that they HIT on 3 number 1's... not an easy thing to do.

They are all 3 great players, not to mention that Dallas hit on an UDFA who is playing as well as anyone on the line.

I didn't think a rookie OL could come in and play any better than Frederick did until I saw Martin this year. He is already one of the better guards in football, IMO and he is going to get much better.

Three home runs. That will be difficult for any franchise to copy.

ESPECIALLY if you look at our record of drafting O line for the previous 15 years before we started usin first rd picks. We had two guys we drafted that became mullti year starters- Gurode and Free. Out of how many picks?