Who's Laughing at Travis Frederick Now?

RXP said:
I'm pretty sure the Cowboys are on record as saying they had Frederick as a high second rounder, but they didn't want to risk losing him.
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Their board was leaked. They had Frederick as a high 2nd round pick but they only had 18 players with 1st round grades. Frederick was 22nd on their board and they drafted him at 31. They had S Eric Reid 24th on their board.
 
ConstantReboot said:
Actually in the world of investing you would. I would pay a little higher knowing something will return 10X or more on their investment. Heck, venture capitalist do it all the time. Just ask the folks that started Instagram.
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Good point.

Sometimes when investing and buying a stock, as i have done many times. As many others too.
I will wait for a stock to move up, show me it's making a move to increase and keep increasing. I'll put a buy limit order in.
So if it's going at $45, I'll put in an order to buy at $46. to be sure it's a real rise. not buy at $45 because it's lower, then only drop. But if hits 446, then the sale executes and i'm in

I may lose a $1 per share, but at least I'm more confident it will increase at that point.
 
cmoney23 said:
Ok, lets look at three prime examples... '
Tom Brady
Tony Romo
and Russel Wilson.

that is three players out over over 750. I would call the the exception.
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No, that is just three you have listed out of over 750. There are tons more than that. In fact, if you could re-order a draft after three years based on the production of the players drafted, I am willing to bet that the order of that draft would differ at just about every single spot. Your "exception to the rule" is actually the rule. Players over perform, and under perform their draft position all the time!

BBQ
 
That draft looks pretty decent looking back. 3 starters right now. Randle seems like he's starting to put up some decent numbers in his back up role. Averaging 5.5 ypc this year. If he can get a few more carries in future weeks he looks pretty decent as a backup.
 
khiladi said:
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece

Stephen Jones already admitted they were set on getting Floyd and essentially confused when Jerry went Frederik. The HC has said defense was the problem and the last two years, they were targetting defense in particular. Floyd was suppose to be drafted in 2013 and Dallas had 3 guys as BPAs ahead of Zach that they were set on getting per Jerry. Their draft philosophy has been BPA and they've stated it multiple times. Building the team from OL wasn't their intention nor was it part of the 'process'.
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It doesn't say anywhere in that article that Stephen said they were set on Floyd at all. It merely says that the scouts had him ranked without taking into consideration the new scheme. Definitely a breakdown that shouldn't have happened, but the decision makers weren't "set" on taking Floyd (unless I missed it somehow).
 
BBQ101 said:
No, that is just three you have listed out of over 750. There are tons more than that. In fact, if you could re-order a draft after three years based on the production of the players drafted, I am willing to bet that the order of that draft would differ at just about every single spot. Your "exception to the rule" is actually the rule. Players over perform, and under perform their draft position all the time!

BBQ
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but your labeling astronomical over performances! ie TOM BRADY. I didn't bring him up... The draft is a crap shoot... but to say that you can't get value off expectation and you can't reach is silly.
 
This thread has proven one thing to me. People are going to disagree.

I'm completely done with this thread... I've made my points

We reached on Travis Fredrick. Plan and simple. I hope he continues to play well for us and I hope he continues to out perform his projection. But we could have aced that draft and instead we merely passed.
 
cmoney23 said:
This thread has proven one thing to me. People are going to disagree.

I'm completely done with this thread... I've made my points

We reached on Travis Fredrick. Plan and simple. I hope he continues to play well for us and I hope he continues to out perform his projection. But we could have aced that draft and instead we merely passed.
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Maybe but we got a top tier player at his position and a starter for the Cowboys for a long time. Who cares if he was a reach in the late 1st round?
 
cmoney23 said:
This thread has proven one thing to me. People are going to disagree.

I'm completely done with this thread... I've made my points

We reached on Travis Fredrick. Plan and simple. I hope he continues to play well for us and I hope he continues to out perform his projection. But we could have aced that draft and instead we merely passed.
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Your points made no sense.
 
cmoney23 said:
This thread has proven one thing to me. People are going to disagree.

I'm completely done with this thread... I've made my points

We reached on Travis Fredrick. Plan and simple. I hope he continues to play well for us and I hope he continues to out perform his projection. But we could have aced that draft and instead we merely passed.
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He isn't outperforming his projection... he was projected to be drafted in the second round by people who don't even work for an NFL team. They said where they thought he would be drafted, not neccessarily how well he would play.

Really, what you're saying is that, in relation to him being a reach, his play doesn't matter, it is only important where he was drafted and where the non-NFL people thought he would be drafted.
 
cmoney23 said:
but your labeling astronomical over performances! ie TOM BRADY. I didn't bring him up... The draft is a crap shoot... but to say that you can't get value off expectation and you can't reach is silly.
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I didn't bring up Tom Brady either. I also didn't say you can't get value, and you can't reach. However you did say Tom was an exception, and I don't think that is true. There are plenty of players every single year that out play or under play their draft position by quite a bit. And not just quarter backs.

Anyway, I think we got value with our trade down to pick up Travis, in addition to getting Williams. You however think it was a reach and a bad trade. Which given the circumstances is quite unbelievable. Not only have the two of them been really productive based on any metric including where they were drafted, but your original point on Travis' market value has been shown to be flawed.

And yet here you are still making statements like "I don't now and won't ever say he was worth that pick." Its laughable, or more likely you are just trolling, which is why I am going to stop feeding you at this point.

Good day sir.

BBQ
 
Draft grades and projections are stupid. Everyone that gave Dallas a low grade for that draft look silly now. Every one of the players but one are still on an NFL roster today and that one player isn't on a roster because he had a narrow spine ending his career early. And 3 of those players are starters.
 
cmoney23 said:
Sure they where, and then they waited til pick 203 to address the Center position they so frantically wanted to address.
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Well yeah because the guy they really wanted was taken.
 
cmoney23 said:
I will still and will always say it was a serious reach...

If you buy a car worth 15k dollars for 25k dollars and it runs great and runs for 10 years... you still paid 10k to much for it.
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And you would still be VERY wrong.
 
cmoney23 said:
There where 5 Centers drafted TOTAL that year. Out of 250 some players! The next one came off the board at like Pick 100!!! I think it safe to say he would have lasted another, what 16 picks!!!

Its a Center!
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Can I borrow your crystal ball? I need a tip on some lottery tickets. By the way, it's already been brought up, but Baltimore was set to take him with their first round pick.
 
I'd caution everyone about chasing "draft value." I did it as a younger fan, and by and by, it didn't really matter. The Cowboys lost a ton of "value" on the trade-down with San Francisco, but it didn't matter because they got two phenomenal players out of it.
They gained a good amount of "value" with the Claiborne trade up, and that turned out to be a terrible move.

When it comes down to it, it's all about evaluating players.
 
cmoney23 said:
There where 5 Centers drafted TOTAL that year. Out of 250 some players! The next one came off the board at like Pick 100!!! I think it safe to say he would have lasted another, what 16 picks!!!

Its a Center!
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By the way, the fact that there were only five centers drafted that year goes against your agument. Obviously, he was the BEST of a VERY limited few. We got the best. You should stay away from investmets.
 
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