Why are we in a rush to sign Dak?

Cowboys5217

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,337
Reaction score
11,589
Pretty much has been the dog whistle of the Dark Faithful these last 8 years. At this point it is all you jave to hang your Hats On . . . Dak getting that Huge Contract was your Super Bowl "Proved You were Right" "Top 5 QB"

Now that Cowboy Fan after Cowboy Fan are losing Faith and Support in Dak and wish for a Change . . .

YOU WANT TO SIGN HIM . . . JUST TO PISS COWBOY FANS OFF

I know you don't Call them Cowboy Fans . . . You call them Haters but we are Cowboy Fans and you want more of Dak for no other reason then to laugh at us . . . we who just want Success for the Cowboys
And the guy has the nerve to claim he's a good coach. After comments like and his displays of his personality on here many times it has become far too late for his "I'm a good coach" claims to be convincing.
 

shabazz

Well-Known Member
Messages
19,496
Reaction score
35,618
I have no problem making Dak play 2023 and determine what he deserves in an extension. I also want to see Dak force his agent to give the Cowboys a discount if an extension is given to Dak. If Dak and his agent refuse to give a discount, definitely draft his replacement early in next year's draft. Tired of overpaying QBs, especially those who hold the team hostage.
And I would add that if Dak takes this to a SB, reward and extend him.
 

SteveTheCowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,135
Reaction score
16,177
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Well, not really.

If a QB doesn't turn the ball over for 6 straight years and then has a bunch in year 7, you don't expect in year 8 he's going to have a bunch of turnovers, especially when so many were so unlucky in year 7. Quarterbacks don't just change their DNA like that.

Dak is probably going to throw 10-12 INTs the rest of his career. But the pace for 20-something is an outlier.
Sorry brother....i disagree with you. I need the follow up data to get on board.

I admit that i can NOT say his career is trending downward because of this season either. Need that follow up data to prove a trend.
Hopefully this clarifies my position.
 

Jarv

Loud pipes saves lives.
Messages
13,743
Reaction score
8,571
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Dak is bi-polar, plays like a superstar one week and a scrub the next.
Dak has become injury prone, when was the last time he played an entire season?
Let's see how the offensive scheme change will do for him this year, also see he his body holds up.
Since we gave away the house for him last time, I have no problem waiting a year to see if deserves such a deal again.
If not, give him the non-exclusive tag and see how popular he realy is around the league.
 

Motorola

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,937
Reaction score
9,704
There are teams that would want Dak. Again you can be troll or live in reality Dak is a top 10 quarterback in the NFL with a clean image off the field.
I responded to the part of your comment that the Cowboys will have the option of trading Prescott after next season. They don't, because of the no-trade clause.
Doesn't matter how many teams may want Prescott if wants to remain as QB in Dallas.
It's a moot point anyway...Jones wants him to be the Cowboys QB because he believes in Prescott.
These comments painting scenarios about getting out from under the contract are just pipe dreams.
Prescott will be the Dallas Cowboys quarterback for at least four more seasons.
 

CouchCoach

Staff member
Messages
41,122
Reaction score
74,959
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
If they do not sign him, what do they do?

Anyone here trust them to pick the QB? They lucked into the last two starters.........over the last 15 years.

In order not to give up the farm, they would have to have a record like 4-13 to get a prime pick QB and considering this QB class that just got drafted, see any that you're reasonably sure are better than Prescott?

Why do you assume they could do better than Prescott?

Not every team gets an A QB, some have to do with B's and C's and hope their QB does not have to carry the team.

Do you think Booger is willing to risk not being a contender with Prescott and try a new QB that may take a few seasons to mature at his age. He hates irrelevancy more than anything. Irrelevancy does not get the coverage, the interviews and the celebrity status that keeps him at the GM position. Do you really think he would sacrifice any of that taking a risk on change unless Prescott just comes undone and he is forced to change?

This is a question of motive, the rush to sign him. And for motive you have to go to the origin and accept the fact this is one man's team feeding the ego of an 80 year old man that no one would pay attention to if he didn't own the Cowboys.

And ask yourself this question. Is any QB, including Mahomes and Burrow, any higher profile in the media? He is already treated as a multiple championships QB.
 

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,515
Reaction score
4,753
Dak is bi-polar, plays like a superstar one week and a scrub the next.
Dak has become injury prone, when was the last time he played an entire season?
Let's see how the offensive scheme change will do for him this year, also see he his body holds up.
Since we gave away the house for him last time, I have no problem waiting a year to see if deserves such a deal again.
If not, give him the non-exclusive tag and see how popular he realy is around the league.
If Dak were bi-polar the worst thing we could of done is play a system where he had to wait and ponder on routes and receivers getting open. His anxiety would build and could well lead him into making/forcing poor decision and throws that we'rent there. A quicker WCO would be more beneficial as it doesnt give time to enhance uncertainty.
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,526
Reaction score
76,367
He tried for 6 years.
I don't consider signing undrafted rookie free agents and bringing in guys like Anthony Wright or Ryan Leaf as actually "trying". Spending a 2nd on Quincy when he was a projected 4th-5th rounder is not what I consider trying though it was probably the best shot they gave it.
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,526
Reaction score
76,367
Stepping up against a losing team , dysfunctional OLD QB? ...There's nothing about that team that should have been in the playoffs.

Dak did what he usually does against bad teams. Dak did what he usually does against good teams.

That's not "stepping up" my Dak-fan friend.
He stepped up in a game where his kicker missed all his kicks. Defense played its *** off too. But like I've told you before with this discussion the Bucs were a playoff team and many people picked the Cowboys to lose this game. Now that they've won they were suppose to win. Still a playoff team. This team lost to the Jaguars and struggled to beat the Colts and Texans. You nor them are in any position to care who they beat in the playoffs as long as they do it.
 

baltcowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,045
Reaction score
17,756
I responded to the part of your comment that the Cowboys will have the option of trading Prescott after next season. They don't, because of the no-trade clause.
Doesn't matter how many teams may want Prescott if wants to remain as QB in Dallas.
It's a moot point anyway...Jones wants him to be the Cowboys QB because he believes in Prescott.
These comments painting scenarios about getting out from under the contract are just pipe dreams.
Prescott will be the Dallas Cowboys quarterback for at least four more seasons.
Ok. I am just saying the Cowboys could take a quarterback. Teams have ate big contracts before. The Cowboys did with Romo, the Eagles with Wentz and now the Packers.
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,526
Reaction score
76,367
He's going to cost $25m in 'Dead Cap money' in 2024 if he's restructured or cut as a post June as the money owed is prorated bonus.

There's a myth perpetuated that we MUST EXTEND Dak, that's not true, there is a choice and if he continues to show he's not going to get a Championship win 2024 will be the season to take that hit as it will free up $34m to spend in 2024 (probably in funding extensions) and we can take advantage of a strong QB Draft Class.
If you want to contend Dak gives us the best chance. Is that a "must"? I don't know. But something tells me Jerry is not in the business to wait for a rookie QB to develop in 3 or 4 years. Which would be 5 or 6 years from now. Its just not realistic.
 

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,515
Reaction score
4,753
If you want to contend Dak gives us the best chance. Is that a "must"? I don't know. But something tells me Jerry is not in the business to wait for a rookie QB to develop in 3 or 4 years. Which would be 5 or 6 years from now. Its just not realistic.
If he plays as he did last year (not saying he will) then it's highly debatable that he'll provide the best chance. How come we'll have to wait 3/4 years to develop the rookie....Dak hit the ground running, because the roster was built. You're mistaking the draft pick QB's that picked up by teams that are in the process of a rebuild.
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,526
Reaction score
76,367
If he plays as he did last year (not saying he will) then it's highly debatable that he'll provide the best chance. How come we'll have to wait 3/4 years to develop the rookie....Dak hit the ground running, because the roster was built. You're mistaking the draft pick QB's that picked up by teams that are in the process of a rebuild.
Oh of course. This is contingent on last year being an anomaly. Though we did win 12 games with him winning 8 of them based on him leading the league in picks. Will this team be upset If they in a ring next year with him leading the league in interceptions like Matt Stafford did a few years back? But I think the plan is that Dak is somewhere around 3800-4k/30 TD/10 interception guy.

Typically, young QB's don't come right out and hit the ground running. I guess we can sit here and assume Dak did because of the team built around him....but we'd also admit that team was overrated and the coaching sucked.

But let's pretend the team was good for a second. It typically takes a young QB a few years to win a ring. Who's the last young QB to win a ring aside from Mahomes? Its a blur right now but is it a young Big Ben or Russell Wilson?
 

Mac_MaloneV1

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,437
Reaction score
5,729
If he plays as he did last year (not saying he will) then it's highly debatable that he'll provide the best chance. How come we'll have to wait 3/4 years to develop the rookie....Dak hit the ground running, because the roster was built. You're mistaking the draft pick QB's that picked up by teams that are in the process of a rebuild.
This ignores two things.

1 - That you can throw a lot of picks and have a prolific, Super Bowl winning offense (Matt Stafford led the league)
2 - Dak was not a prolific passer as a rookie. He was excellent in the GB playoff game, but he was extremely limited in 2016. We saw that play out when teams adjusted in 2017 and through the beginning of 2018.
 

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,515
Reaction score
4,753
Typically, young QB's don't come right out and hit the ground running. I guess we can sit here and assume Dak did because of the team built around him....but we'd also admit that team was overrated and the coaching sucked.
Overrated?? Didnt that 2016 Offense have 6 first round picks?
But let's pretend the team was good for a second. It typically takes a young QB a few years to win a ring. Who's the last young QB to win a ring aside from Mahomes? Its a blur right now but is it a young Big Ben or Russell Wilson?
Hang on a second, Dak hasnt even got us to a Championship game, unlike those youngsters: Burrows, Allen, Hurts and Purdy.
 

Motorola

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,937
Reaction score
9,704
Oh of course. This is contingent on last year being an anomaly. Though we did win 12 games with him winning 8 of them based on him leading the league in picks. Will this team be upset If they in a ring next year with him leading the league in interceptions like Matt Stafford did a few years back? But I think the plan is that Dak is somewhere around 3800-4k/30 TD/10 interception guy.

Typically, young QB's don't come right out and hit the ground running. I guess we can sit here and assume Dak did because of the team built around him....but we'd also admit that team was overrated and the coaching sucked.

But let's pretend the team was good for a second. It typically takes a young QB a few years to win a ring. Who's the last young QB to win a ring aside from Mahomes? Its a blur right now but is it a young Big Ben or Russell Wilson?
Both Roethlisberger and Wilson had great success starting their NFL careers.
2004 - Big Ben and the Steelers went to the AFC Championship game his rookie season (loss to the Patriots); then won the Super Bowl his second year.
2012 - Russ as a rookie and the Seahawks made it to the divisional round game (lost to the Falcons), then followed up in his second year winning the Super Bowl.
 

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,515
Reaction score
4,753
This ignores two things.

1 - That you can throw a lot of picks and have a prolific, Super Bowl winning offense (Matt Stafford led the league)
2 - Dak was not a prolific passer as a rookie. He was excellent in the GB playoff game, but he was extremely limited in 2016. We saw that play out when teams adjusted in 2017 and through the beginning of 2018.
Not following what your actual point is?
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,526
Reaction score
76,367
Overrated?? Didnt that 2016 Offense have 6 first round picks?

Hang on a second, Dak hasnt even got us to a Championship game, unlike those youngsters: Burrows, Allen, Hurts and Purdy.
Not sure if they did but I know the year prior those 6 first round picks won 4 games. Also worth noting that 3 of those picks were on the offensive line I'm sure in Martin, Tyron and Fredericks.

And I'm not even sure your point. Your argument is the 49ers wouldn't have made it to the conference championship without Purdy?
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,526
Reaction score
76,367
Both Roethlisberger and Wilson had great success starting their NFL careers.
2004 - Big Ben and the Steelers went to the AFC Championship game his rookie season (loss to the Patriots); then won the Super Bowl his second year.
2012 - Russ as a rookie and the Seahawks made it to the divisional round game (lost to the Falcons), then followed up in his second year winning the Super Bowl.
I acknowledged those two. Also worth noting that those are two guys and probably future hall of famers. That is not the standard for rookie QB's.
 
Top