Why aren’t many talking about the D?

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My big worry on defense from that game is that our safeties got exploited hard. All of Purdy's big pass plays were basically ~10 yard middle shots into their zones.

I'm concerned that Kyle Shanahan found a flaw in our scheme that future OCs are going to copy.
 
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because the entire team is a dumpster fire. There’s so much blame to go around that it’s hard to zero in on specific problems. Not to mention the defense at least has some bright spots unlike this muddled mess of an offense that has nothing going for it whatsoever.
 

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All the talk after the SFO loss has been about how bad Dak dnd MM are, but why isn’t there more talk about how bad the defense was? Even if the offense played well, they weren’t scoring 40 points that the defense gave up. Defense couldn’t stop nothing on Sunday night both run/pass and had so many penalties that extended drives. Where was the pass rush, where were the turnovers?
Cuz they are idiots. d was every bit to blame.
 

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3 interceptions plus a lost fumble makes it hard on the defense. Admittedly, the D was not great. 4 turnovers is a lot.

If Dallas's offense keeps possession and scores more points, San Fran scores fewer points. Dallas did not need to score 43 points to w

3 interceptions plus a lost fumble makes it hard on the defense. Admittedly, the D was not great. 4 turnovers is a lot.

If Dallas's offense keeps possession and scores more points, San Fran scores fewer points. Dallas did not need to score 43 points to win.
If the defense is as good as they claim , they hold the other team to 3 and outs. Instead they keep drives going with stupid penalties. Blaming the offense for the defense giving up 42 points is just stupid. No matter how many turnovers. their job is to get the ball back, and they didn't.
 

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here's the thing with offenses they have five times the amount of plays in that playbook that's called on a given game plan and on a given day it's the coaches responsibility to throw the game plan out when it's not working in the second quarter and switch to something else and just I don't care just let Prescott all his own place they can get in the house and go you know what F all this let's just go play go run nine routes all day I don't care I get what you're saying but the compliment ends when the defense doesn't play well so when they see this in the game they have to adjust.. And when they don't this is what you get from your quarterback a frustrated and irritated quarterback with a bunch of irritated wide receivers because they're not trying to throw the ball downfield So what do they go do they force it downfield three straight times and they get intercepted the game was already out of reach it was already over these interceptions didn't count except for they made Prescott the issue on Monday morning

but in my opinion he wasn't the issue it's the play calling it's the execution it's the penalties it's the defense it's Tony Pollard being underutilized he should not be utilized as a number one back between the tackles and now he's fumbling he's ineffective..​
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There are so many things that we can go to before Prescott This is why it gets ridiculous to talk about.. I hope they're having it come to Jesus moment in these closed door meetings aren't just about hey we just need to clean it up and be ourselves no you need to change yourselves when these things are happening teams have this label on you now.. Kinda like when Mike Tyson lost his shine when he gets knocked out and can't go long rounds so then they take these inside now is that they have on the guy and now they play the long game until they wear out Tyson and then they beat him Tyson never was the same once they exposed him this happens in sports you have to make adjustments or you're gonna end up having a really bad season..​
They call it a blueprint but I call it a book the book is out on the defense and they know that the play caller was trying to be conservative on O they come in with that game plan the defense starts getting beat but again why isn't the play caller the coach the offensive coordinator and the quarterback getting together and saying we need to throw this in the trash and just start playing you don't think they still have the same playbook way in the back that they used the last two years with Kellen Moore it's still in there didn't they say they only change about 30% of the playbook in some of the the verbiage well then why aren't we pulling those plays back out why isn't there more motion why isn't there more movement and double moves things to get get guys open they seem to be running a lot of the things that we hated about Kellen Moore's offense and not running the things we liked about Kellen Moore's offense it seems like the same offense to me just the play calls are now different...​
I think the narrative here the biggest one that just makes me laugh out loud is that they changed this to a conservative offense to protect Prescott because he doesn't throw down field well I mean have you watched the last three seasons where Kellen Moore being wide open pass happy and you have Prescott putting up a lot of yards a lot of touchdowns and not a lot of interceptions and even when he was stolen interceptions last year he was scoring a lot of points this has nothing to do with the quarterback 's ability to throw the football past five yards of the line of scrimmage and checking the ball down he is very capable of doing it the other way but is the play caller is the scheme it is the players able to...????​
The coaching staff developed a scheme around a dominate defense this season. With the defense struggling, they now have no choice, but to alter their attack. Ball control is still very important, but they cannot play so conservative any longer, must take some chances to be able to score more points to assist their defense. Their plan must change now!
 

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All the talk after the SFO loss has been about how bad Dak dnd MM are, but why isn’t there more talk about how bad the defense was? Even if the offense played well, they weren’t scoring 40 points that the defense gave up. Defense couldn’t stop nothing on Sunday night both run/pass and had so many penalties that extended drives. Where was the pass rush, where were the turnovers?
It could've been worse. The 49ers fumbled at the goal line, and they took our Purdy with almost a whole quarter to go. The whole team laid a giant turd in front of millions of fans. I can't think of one positive thing from that game. Parsons, who many here claim is our best player, I'm getting concerned about him. When getting doubled he kinda gives up on the play. He body language is not right. The last few "Sounds from the Sidelines" he looks like he's not having fun.
 

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3 interceptions plus a lost fumble makes it hard on the defense. Admittedly, the D was not great. 4 turnovers is a lot.

If Dallas's offense keeps possession and scores more points, San Fran scores fewer points. Dallas did not need to score 43 points to win.
Also don't forget that the D generated a turnover which the offense then did nothing with.
 

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3 interceptions plus a lost fumble makes it hard on the defense. Admittedly, the D was not great. 4 turnovers is a lot.

If Dallas's offense keeps possession and scores more points, San Fran scores fewer points. Dallas did not need to score 43 points to win.
It was already 28-10 before Dak's first interception. 49ers scored on the opening possession of the game. Were they tired after the kickoff?
 

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It was already 28-10 before Dak's first interception. 49ers scored on the opening possession of the game. Were they tired after the kickoff?
Yea and the offense prior to that was just going 3 and out's over and over again. D generates a turnover the offense promptly goes 3 and out. If we are talking about complimentary football, it would be nice if the offense can at least sustain a drive for more than a minute.
 

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My big worry on defense from that game is that our safeties got exploited hard. All of Purdy's big pass plays were basically ~10 yard middle shots into their zones.

I'm concerned that Kyle Shanahan found a flaw in our scheme that future OCs are going to copy.
They gutted the middle of the field right in front of the defense. Everything works in harmony. Solid DTs to LBers to the secondary. They all got abused.

It was something like 28-7 and I remember laughing and thinking not many to come back from that. Maybe Brady or Rodgers in their prime.
 

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When the phylosphy of other teams is to basically go at your best player and he is a non factor in the game. Bench that guy. It's pretty obvious number 11 shouldn't be in the NFL right now if he is being exposed this bad. Or your defensive coordinator sucks. Micah Parsons needs to look in the mirror and become a good NFL player or just quit. It's obvious he's not the player that he thinks he is.
this is dumb as hell, dudes been runner up for defensive mvp for multiple years, all pro every year.
Should CMC be benched for being held to 2.7 yards per carry? No, cause the rest of their team showed up and made us pay for trying to focus on one guy, why cant the rest of our team do the same?

I will say he does need to step up in these big games, but to say all that is crazy
 

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In the last 3 years, How many wins would you say was because of the defense?


Enough to say that the defense is so much more dominant than the offense? Even if we got hammered in 1 game?
 

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Because the defense wasn't as bad as the final score leads you to believe. Part of that score is the offense letting the defense down. Just like the cowboys putting up 40 on the giants wasn't all offense.

SF scores TD1, bad cowboys defense
Dallas 3 and out-
SF 3 and out, good defense
Dallas 3 and out
SF 11 and out- good defense
Dallas 1 play fumble
SF 2 plays fumble- good defense
Dallas 3 and out
SF 1 play, 38 yard TD bad defense. and this for me is key because while they gave up a big play SF started at Dallas's 38 yard line because they couldn't gain any yards on offense once again. This same thing happens later in the game as well.

Dallas offense had 4 possessions and ran only 10 plays. And everything went downhill, from there
 

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If the defense is as good as they claim , they hold the other team to 3 and outs. Instead they keep drives going with stupid penalties. Blaming the offense for the defense giving up 42 points is just stupid. No matter how many turnovers. their job is to get the ball back, and they didn't.
What's stupid is thinking that the performance by the offense has no effect on the defense.

Turnovers and 3-and-outs significantly harm the defense.
 
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Also don't forget that the D generated a turnover which the offense then did nothing with.
That one was on TPollard and I can understand it left 9ers with a short field, followed by the D getting a turnover., as you mentioned......that's it. Nothing else to laud, mask, or rave about the D.
 

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What's stupid is thinking that the performance by the offense has no effect on the defense.

Turnovers and 3-and-outs significantly harm the defense.
A good defense creates 3 and outs. That is their job. The offense has nothing to do with that, no more than the offense claiming that they couldn't run thier game plan because the defense gave up 28 quick points.
 
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