Why aren’t many talking about the D?

glimmerman

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I see that too. But I think MM has had to simplfy routes to adapt to Dak and his inability to read defenses quickly and make adjustments. We’ve seen it every year Dak has been the QB under all 3 OCs.
I would just let him call his own plays. He called plays during preseason. I am wondering if MM was warming him up to take over his own plays. Would put the heat square on him. Call it from what he is seeing. Maybe that’s what he needs.
 

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3 interceptions plus a lost fumble makes it hard on the defense. Admittedly, the D was not great. 4 turnovers is a lot.

If Dallas's offense keeps possession and scores more points, San Fran scores fewer points. Dallas did not need to score 43 points to win.
It is mind boggling to me that the Op doesn't comprehend this

Amazing
 

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All the talk after the SFO loss has been about how bad Dak dnd MM are, but why isn’t there more talk about how bad the defense was? Even if the offense played well, they weren’t scoring 40 points that the defense gave up. Defense couldn’t stop nothing on Sunday night both run/pass and had so many penalties that extended drives. Where was the pass rush, where were the turnovers?
It's a major concern particularly with LAC up next. This will be a great opportunity to bounce back against a good unit.
 

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I think it’s hard for a lot of fans to talk about the defense because many thought it was one of the great defenses of all time. Lol The D sucked on Sunday night just like the rest of the team. The defense isn’t nearly as good as everyone thought it was just like the team. If we’re not getting takeaways, we’re not very good defensively. The takeaways and defensive scores have masked some of the problems on defense. It’s helped get us off the field and put some points on the board.
Amazing . . . this guy jury doesn't get it. No comprehension skills
 

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No my responses are hard to read because I’m going on the anti-rant where it’s completely opposite of everyone elses.

the defense sucked in the last two losses ,defense started the game out poorly they set the tone for the other team and we lost the game because the d has been atrocious and the two losses.

yup it was the defense, it was penalties ,it was scheme ,someone was scheme.

I mean it a whole lot of things that we can list before we get to that other thing everyone always wants to talk about replacing that I’m not starting on this thread again yes it was the D they absolutely got owned they look terrible in two games.Quinn no longer should be the favorite to be he next coach​

I mean look at last year did you not remember that the Prescott got back from a broken hand how the defense went on a tear allowing 200 yards a game on the ground they start allowing a lot of points they blew the two leads up in Jacksonville and Green Bay !?!I mean they had moments where they were terrible just like these two games this year everyone wants to blame the offense b I’m blaming the defense. I’m blaming the penalties and blaming the coaches will get around to the offense because plenty of people are already bringing that other person up way too often because we lost this game because of the tone. Series one,we got ran over over and over and even in the 2021 playoff game where we had 14 penalties the defense gave up 10 yards per carry in the first half;

nothings really changed we just played even worse this time the whole team lost these two games.
I am gonna rant against Rainbows. . . They are never that vibrant. Really faded and transparent. And contrary to popular belief there is no pot of gold at the end and definitely no leprechauns. Proving how over rated Rainbows are

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All the talk after the SFO loss has been about how bad Dak dnd MM are, but why isn’t there more talk about how bad the defense was? Even if the offense played well, they weren’t scoring 40 points that the defense gave up. Defense couldn’t stop nothing on Sunday night both run/pass and had so many penalties that extended drives. Where was the pass rush, where were the turnovers?
Because the offense was so atrocious in the previous 2 matchups with SF (while the defense played well). Dallas stopped SF two drives in a row after the opening score, then the offense turned the ball over in SF redzone. The defense took the ball away from McCaffrey. Then the offense went 2 yards in 3 plays and punted AGAIN from deep in their endzone. Four drives about 3:30 in time: ZERO first downs, ZERO points, ZERO complimentary football AGAIN vs this same team. The defense does not get a huge pass, BUT if Dak and the offense cannot get anything going vs SF-there is zero reason to keep Dak on the team (and there are questions about the direction of the team and ultimate objectives of the squad moving forward).
 

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It's easier to blame the QB and forget the rest of the trainwreck
Especially with His epic meltdown . . it is really really easy to blame him

Wait till next week . . . Hell, wait for the end of Philly week. . .

Even you may get the courage to finally blame him
 

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That one was on TPollard and I can understand it left 9ers with a short field, followed by the D getting a turnover., as you mentioned......that's it. Nothing else to laud, mask, or rave about the D.
I'm talking about the one the Cowboys D generated. Jourdan Lewis had a fumble recovery after getting trucked. The Offense gets it and does nothing.
 

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here's the thing with offenses they have five times the amount of plays in that playbook that's called on a given game plan and on a given day it's the coaches responsibility to throw the game plan out when it's not working in the second quarter and switch to something else and just I don't care just let Prescott all his own place they can get in the house and go you know what F all this let's just go play go run nine routes all day I don't care I get what you're saying but the compliment ends when the defense doesn't play well so when they see this in the game they have to adjust.. And when they don't this is what you get from your quarterback a frustrated and irritated quarterback with a bunch of irritated wide receivers because they're not trying to throw the ball downfield So what do they go do they force it downfield three straight times and they get intercepted the game was already out of reach it was already over these interceptions didn't count except for they made Prescott the issue on Monday morning

but in my opinion he wasn't the issue it's the play calling it's the execution it's the penalties it's the defense it's Tony Pollard being underutilized he should not be utilized as a number one back between the tackles and now he's fumbling he's ineffective..​
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There are so many things that we can go to before Prescott This is why it gets ridiculous to talk about.. I hope they're having it come to Jesus moment in these closed door meetings aren't just about hey we just need to clean it up and be ourselves no you need to change yourselves when these things are happening teams have this label on you now.. Kinda like when Mike Tyson lost his shine when he gets knocked out and can't go long rounds so then they take these inside now is that they have on the guy and now they play the long game until they wear out Tyson and then they beat him Tyson never was the same once they exposed him this happens in sports you have to make adjustments or you're gonna end up having a really bad season..​
They call it a blueprint but I call it a book the book is out on the defense and they know that the play caller was trying to be conservative on O they come in with that game plan the defense starts getting beat but again why isn't the play caller the coach the offensive coordinator and the quarterback getting together and saying we need to throw this in the trash and just start playing you don't think they still have the same playbook way in the back that they used the last two years with Kellen Moore it's still in there didn't they say they only change about 30% of the playbook in some of the the verbiage well then why aren't we pulling those plays back out why isn't there more motion why isn't there more movement and double moves things to get get guys open they seem to be running a lot of the things that we hated about Kellen Moore's offense and not running the things we liked about Kellen Moore's offense it seems like the same offense to me just the play calls are now different...​
I think the narrative here the biggest one that just makes me laugh out loud is that they changed this to a conservative offense to protect Prescott because he doesn't throw down field well I mean have you watched the last three seasons where Kellen Moore being wide open pass happy and you have Prescott putting up a lot of yards a lot of touchdowns and not a lot of interceptions and even when he was stolen interceptions last year he was scoring a lot of points this has nothing to do with the quarterback 's ability to throw the football past five yards of the line of scrimmage and checking the ball down he is very capable of doing it the other way but is the play caller is the scheme it is the players able to...????​
Ill sum it up in 2 words . . . Dak Sucks
 

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Actually it was it was as bad if not worse the wide open place they just basically ate up the clock scored I kept getting it back do the same thing rinse and repeat all phases were equally as bad if you're not willing to admit it nobody's gonna sit here and have this debate with you the defense was terrible the penalties alone what's sway the tie on who was worse.. They were boneheaded penalties mental mistakes that lack of execution they were being aggressive playing hero ball everybody all of a sudden got sack happy they want interceptions and they want sacks so they could be talked about on Monday.. We are seeing it I think we'd be better off with bell and Thomas than we are with Donovan Wilson cause he seems to have came back and now he's playing out of position trying to reinsert himself into the conversation as one of the big hitters and a guy that's gonna go get a fumble or an interception and and lots of guys are now playing like that on this defense instead of staying in their lanes and just doing their jobs...

We all are seeing it this happened in the middle of the season last year Prescott had to come back and put up over 30 points a game in order to keep us in games they were giving up 200 yards on the ground they were being beat very much like this there were guys that should not have been moving the ball and it's like in Houston and Indianapolis and at some point the giants and Daniel Jones..

I mean you remember the Justin fields game with Chicago and all the yards the defense gave up and we the offense had to pick them up? How about the Eagles game with a backup quarterback they were throwing and running all over us in the game that Prescott had to put up 40 points to win that football game I mean this is the same thing except for the offense has been changed and that's why we're complaining about it because we're playing conservative offense because we thought we were witnessing the development of a generational defense that if you just didn't make a mistake they would win you the game and all you had to do was move the ball score enough to win that's not this defense this defense is not living up to that expectation... So again, they're going to have to make changes in all three phases of this team and i say all three because we lost turpin/goodwin and now we're going to have to insert DV and make up for that..

this is not changed the whole team is playing bad and these two losses and when you admit it they were all equally as bad then we can just hope they all see the same thing and they need to have these meetings and get this fixed this is not a problem with just the offense.

at 3-2 seems like an overreaction a little early in the season but they need to reevaluate this whole team.. i don't think just subtle changes, like a lot of adjustment and maybe switching out some players. like i said i thought this defense looked better with bell and thomas versus Dono. not saying it's all his fault but theres something different than first snap that he came back. he's been overly aggressive and out of position...
Again I will counter this hodge podge of words with only 2 . . . Dak Sucks
 

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It was already 28-10 before Dak's first interception. 49ers scored on the opening possession of the game. Were they tired after the kickoff?
iDak I keep reading this . . . How many times are you gonna repeat it . . . This is what youvare holding on yo after last weeks Dak Debacle
 

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Because the defense wasn't as bad as the final score leads you to believe. Part of that score is the offense letting the defense down. Just like the cowboys putting up 40 on the giants wasn't all offense.

SF scores TD1, bad cowboys defense
Dallas 3 and out-
SF 3 and out, good defense
Dallas 3 and out
SF 11 and out- good defense
Dallas 1 play fumble
SF 2 plays fumble- good defense
Dallas 3 and out
SF 1 play, 38 yard TD bad defense. and this for me is key because while they gave up a big play SF started at Dallas's 38 yard line because they couldn't gain any yards on offense once again. This same thing happens later in the game as well.

Dallas offense had 4 possessions and ran only 10 plays. And everything went downhill, from there
This guy actually watched the game
 

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Especially with His epic meltdown . . it is really really easy to blame him

Wait till next week . . . Hell, wait for the end of Philly week. . .

Even you may get the courage to finally blame him
I already said Dak sucked
 
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